Hands And Feet Getting Warmer On Full Fat Milk

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Can anyone make sense of this and explain the body functions that are at work behind this?


I had stopped drinking milk for the past 15 years, was following a rather paleo / GAPS diet for the past 4 years.
As far as I can recall I always had cold hands and feet, even in warm weather, for no reason. Most of the time upon wakening.

I started drinking milk again 2 weeks ago: full fat, 1 liter a day, delicious, I was craving it.

I have a mild intolerance to it and I am a bit bloated, but that's not what's noteworthy: I have consistantly warm hands and feet now!
I also experience a euphoric feeling, and I am a lot more social than before.

How can this be explained?
 

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Can anyone make sense of this and explain the body functions that are at work behind this?


I had stopped drinking milk for the past 15 years, was following a rather paleo / GAPS diet for the past 4 years.
As far as I can recall I always had cold hands and feet, even in warm weather, for no reason. Most of the time upon wakening.

I started drinking milk again 2 weeks ago: full fat, 1 liter a day, delicious, I was craving it.

I have a mild intolerance to it and I am a bit bloated, but that's not what's noteworthy: I have consistantly warm hands and feet now!
I also experience a euphoric feeling, and I am a lot more social than before.

How can this be explained?

Calcium metabolism and deficiency aren't always quite as simple as just eating more calcium, but sometimes the resolution is that straight forward. Your cravings are a good sign.

Calcium status is strongly tied to socialisation in my personal experience.
 

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Calcium is pro thyroid and pro metabolic.
Plus, it has carbs protein and fat in a serving, so I would assume that your blood sugar became balanced taking you out of a stress response.
 
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I hear your comments about calcium.

However I have been repeatedly told that there’s plenty of calcium in the paleo diet, I have at least one big serving of leafy greens a day, almonds, kefir, so I thought my needs were met?
 

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I hear your comments about calcium.

However I have been repeatedly told that there’s plenty of calcium in the paleo diet, I have at least one big serving of leafy greens a day, almonds, kefir, so I thought my needs were met?

Paleo people like to say that. Cravings are rather more accurate!
 

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I hear your comments about calcium.

However I have been repeatedly told that there’s plenty of calcium in the paleo diet, I have at least one big serving of leafy greens a day, almonds, kefir, so I thought my needs were met?
Then re read the second point I make about the P/F/C ratio stopping a stress response due to blood sugar balancing.
Also, start tracking your temps. Very helpful.
 

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Can anyone make sense of this and explain the body functions that are at work behind this?


I had stopped drinking milk for the past 15 years, was following a rather paleo / GAPS diet for the past 4 years.
As far as I can recall I always had cold hands and feet, even in warm weather, for no reason. Most of the time upon wakening.

I started drinking milk again 2 weeks ago: full fat, 1 liter a day, delicious, I was craving it.

I have a mild intolerance to it and I am a bit bloated, but that's not what's noteworthy: I have consistantly warm hands and feet now!
I also experience a euphoric feeling, and I am a lot more social than before.

How can this be explained?

milk is high in IODINE

you might also get a larg insulin response since whole milk has carb fat and protein which will elongate the insulin response thus increases nutrients to your feet and hands and increases heat to them.
 
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Dairy protein peptides may act as so called angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors, thereby inhibiting the renin angiotensin system, that regulates blood pressure, with consequent widening of blood vessels of the extremities.

edit: and the milk nutrients calcium, potassium and magnesium, also have a blood pressure lowering effect.
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The euphoric feeling can be from opioid-like effects of the milk.
These lactotripeptides inhibit angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) in vitro and are hypothesized to lower BP via this mechanism (Fig. 1) [32, 33]. Other potential mechanisms for peptides from both milk casein and whey proteins are opioid-like activities that can decrease BP [34].
 
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Can anyone make sense of this and explain the body functions that are at work behind this?


I had stopped drinking milk for the past 15 years, was following a rather paleo / GAPS diet for the past 4 years.
As far as I can recall I always had cold hands and feet, even in warm weather, for no reason. Most of the time upon wakening.

I started drinking milk again 2 weeks ago: full fat, 1 liter a day, delicious, I was craving it.

I have a mild intolerance to it and I am a bit bloated, but that's not what's noteworthy: I have consistantly warm hands and feet now!
I also experience a euphoric feeling, and I am a lot more social than before.

How can this be explained?

How did you realize your hands and feet were warmer? Did you shake hands with people and they told you so? That was how I found out when somebody told me so. I was like 'really?' That's when it hit me. Something's working.

What are your temps now? And before?

I don't know how calcium is involved here. I hope someone can give you a more detailed explanation. But whatever the cause, it's good and it's showing with you having more energy. I think being sociable requires some energy. A lot of energy needed to deal with the quirks of people when being social ;)
 
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How did you realize your hands and feet were warmer? Did you shake hands with people and they told you so? That was how I found out when somebody told me so. I was like 'really?' That's when it hit me. Something's working.

What are your temps now? And before?

I don't know how calcium is involved here. I hope someone can give you a more detailed explanation. But whatever the cause, it's good and it's showing with you having more energy. I think being sociable requires some energy. A lot of energy needed to deal with the quirks of people when being social ;)


I realized it when touching my face or other « central » parts of my body that are always warm no matter what.

I feel very mellow in a way, I wouldn’t say I have more energy, and I definitely have less mental clarity.

Something is off: how can my body signs be better while I feel less « ready », although more social?
 

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I realized it when touching my face or other « central » parts of my body that are always warm no matter what.

I feel very mellow in a way, I wouldn’t say I have more energy, and I definitely have less mental clarity.

Something is off: how can my body signs be better while I feel less « ready », although more social?

If you have a ThermoScan ear thermometer, it would be easier for you to take temperatures. As it is, you can't be sure if your extremities are warmer, or your core temperature is colder. But since you are feeling less mental clarity, is it possible you are low on sugar? Low sugar can make you hungry, or sleepy, on low energy - not low enough to make you grouchy, but low enough to make you more amenable, maybe this is what you refer to as being more social?

If you can monitor your temperature, rather than feel your temperature, I think it would be easier, if only to know what place you are.
 
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Exorphin is a term suggested by Zoiudrou for opioid peptides derived from proteins of exogenous origin such as milk or plant.
Opioid peptides
Milk protein derived opioid peptides are referred to as exorphins in order to distinguish them from naturally occurring enkaphalins, endophins and dynorphins.195,196 Opioid peptides (typically 5–10 amino acids) from casein are termed casomorphins or casoxins, while those from whey proteins are called lactorphins or lactoferroxins. The biological effect of the opioid peptides is dependent on the receptor type to which they bind; μ-receptors are said to control intestinal motility and emotional behaviour, δ-receptors control emotional behaviour and κ-receptors are linked to analgesia and satiety.117
In addition to dietary intake, opioid peptides are formed in the gut as a result of in vivo hydrolysis of milk proteins.Once absorbed into the blood, some of these peptides can cross the blood–brain barrier, travel to the brain and various other organs, and elicit pharmacological properties similar to opium or morphine.
 

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I still have cold feet and hands on 1 L of whole milk for weeks. But as you said, I also feel milk "tasty" and enjoy drinking it, sometimes craving it.
I'll try going up to 2 L.
You could build a lot of tolerance increasing intake slightly WITH foods and drinking small quantities along the day. Drinking milk on empty stomach and on large quantities seems like a bad a idea for intolerant people. There's a study on tolerance built on black people in U.S.A. starting on just a few ml and going up to more than a glass of milk with food.
 
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Interesting.

My take: milk is making me unhealthier but alleviating my stress with these opioids

Define "unhealthier"
By the way milk peptides and its opioids have anti-thrombotic effects like aspirin. Does aspirin have the same effect on your cold extremities as milk?

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and elicit pharmacological properties similar to opium or morphine.

I wonder how significant this effect can be at commonly consumed amounts of dairy. I have been trying to identify whether my mental clarity is better on days I do not consume much dairy, there seems to be subtle link or placebo.
 
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I wonder how significant this effect can be at commonly consumed amounts of dairy. I have been trying to identify whether my mental clarity is better on days I do not consume much dairy, there seems to be subtle link or placebo.
Do not forget the gut-brain mood connection. personally I can feel some euphoria after milk drinking but with caffeine I remain clear and relax. But the euphoria has declined now after half a year of milk, when I first started with milk drinking coz of Peating. I guess adaption occurs because the butyrate from milk fat increases opioid receptors.
 

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Same for me. If I drink at least a quart / day, my hands and feet are constantly warm, even on low calorie days, whereas before I alwasy had to eat high calories to not get cold feet / hands.
 

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Could be several different things. Milks is a very special food with an almost perfect blend of nutrients in it. The calcium, protein, lactose, progesterone, thyroid, etc.
 

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