Switched to soy milk

[ThisWorld]

I switched to vegan type of milks from the alpro brand, and I digest it much better than normal whole milk which gives me massive diarrhea. According to cronometer it has less pufa than normal whole milk. Anyone with similar experiences as me?

 

[Raw Egg Gnostic]

I switched to vegan type of milks from the alpro brand, and I digest it much better than normal whole milk which gives me massive diarrhea. According to cronometer it has less pufa than normal whole milk. Anyone with similar experiences as me?

Did you drink raw milk or pasteurized?

 

[VitoScaletta]

Well they're completely different foods

 

[ThisWorld]

Did you drink raw milk or pasteurized?

Store bought pasteurized of course. Raw milk is illegal where I live and farmers can't be bothered selling it to me raw.

 

[DDRB]

It's not going to kill you, if you really doubt it, just don't use it.
Would you like more protein or something like that?

 

[ThisWorld]

Whole milk also makes my body smell like feces, I don't know why.

 

[Hypermnesia]

Whole milk also makes my body smell like feces, I don't know why.

Probably because you are reacting to it. I had horrible BO because my histamine was too high and I smelled like a dirty barn and thought it might have been my estrogen being high but I think it was actually the histamine causing the smell because it has completely gone away within a day or two of starting low histamine diet and taking h1 blockers. I wonder what it actually is in the sweat that smells this way?

 

[i_nomad]

There are no alternatives to milk. Milk is milk. Anything else is just not milk. Just soy juice basically.

I’d try reduced fat milk. If not, drop it. What you should not do is change to any of those “alternatives”… least of all soy. Soy is horrible for you.

 

[HealthisWealth]

you can teach your digestive system to digest milk even UHT.

The key is to sugar.

Raw carabaos milk is easy on the stomach but its hard to buy, not always available

UHT the key is the country of origin. Im ok if its from poland, new zealand, denmark. Years drinking this you can differentiate in a blind test. Right now im drinking made from spain and i can finish almost 1liter in 30minutes but thats all the milk i can take for the day. The best UHT is made from poland.

Im avoiding made in australia UHT. Has a different taste.

 

[Phosphor]

I know milk is a Peat thing but really, adult humans should not be drinking milk. If you really want to drink milk, find a farm nearby that has goats and will sell you goat milk. It is delicious, nutritious, and much more easily digested than cow milk. After goat milk, cow milk tastes "animal-y" to me and I cannot even get it down. You can also get goat milk butter (delish!) and goat milk yogurt/kefir, or of course make your own. Quit the commercial stuff; it isn't good for you.

 

[GreenTrails]

I switched to vegan type of milks from the alpro brand, and I digest it much better than normal whole milk which gives me massive diarrhea. According to cronometer it has less pufa than normal whole milk. Anyone with similar experiences as me?

I have started drinking soy milk. I get NOW brand Non-GMO organic soy milk powder from amazon and mix my own soy milk with filtered water.

 

[Grapelander]

I tried soy products in the 1990's. Morningstar Farms.
I lasted 5 days - I started to feel a weird build up under my skin - felt like acne was about to break out.
I guess bottom line if you feel OK - then go by that. I felt horrible and it did not take very long.

2005: ISRAELI HEALTH MINISTRY ISSUES SOY WARNING
Kaayla T. Daniel, PhD, author of The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food. “This is giant step forward. I hope that Israel's action will encourage other government agencies to alert their citizens to the fact that it is a myth that soy is a 'health food' and that there are very real dangers from making soy a staple of their diets. Dr. Daniel noted that there are hundreds of studies linking soy foods and soy infant formula to digestive problems, thyroid dysfunction, ADD/ADHD, dementia, reproductive disorders and even cancer. “The Israeli Ministry took this matter very seriously and based its advice upon the conclusions reached by a 13-member committee of nutritionists, oncologists, pediatricians and other specialists who spent more than a year examining the evidence. The committee concluded that the estrogen-like plant hormones in soy can cause adverse effects on the human body, including cancer promotion and reproductive problems. They strongly urged that consumption of soy foods be minimized until absolute safety has been proven. ”


SOY JUNK and how People are unaware of the Dangers of Soy
During the Chou Dynasty (246 BC) the soybean was designated one of the five sacred grains, along with barley, wheat, millet and rice. However, the pictograph for the soybean, which dates from earlier times, indicates that it was not first used as a food; for whereas the pictographs for the other four grains show the seed and stem structure of the plant, the pictograph for the soybean emphasises the root structure. Agricultural literature of the period speaks frequently of the soybean and its use in crop rotation. Apparently the soy plant was initially used as a method of fixing nitrogen. The soybean did not serve as a food until the discovery of fermentation techniques, some time during the Chou Dynasty.

The first soy foods were fermented products like tempeh, natto, miso and soy sauce. At a later date, possibly in the 2nd century BC, Chinese scientists discovered that a purée of cooked soybeans could be precipitated with calcium sulphate or magnesium sulphate (plaster of Paris or Epsom salts) to make a smooth, pale curd - tofu or bean curd. The use of fermented and precipitated soy products soon spread to other parts of the Orient, notably Japan and Indonesia. The Chinese did not eat unfermented soybeans as they did other legumes such as lentils because the soybean contains large quantities of natural toxins or "anti-nutrients". First among them are potent enzyme inhibitors that block the action of trypsin and other enzymes needed for protein digestion. These inhibitors are large, tightly folded proteins that are not completely deactivated during ordinary cooking. They can produce serious gastric distress, reduced protein digestion and chronic deficiencies in amino acid uptake. In test animals, diets high in trypsin inhibitors cause enlargement and pathological conditions of the pancreas, including cancer.

Soybeans also contain haemagglutinin, a clot-promoting substance that causes red blood cells to clump together. Trypsin inhibitors and haemagglutinin are growth inhibitors. Weanling rats fed soy containing these antinutrients fail to grow normally. Growth-depressant compounds are deactivated during the process of fermentation, so once the Chinese discovered how to ferment the soybean, they began to incorporate soy foods into their diets. In precipitated products, enzyme inhibitors concentrate in the soaking liquid rather than in the curd. Thus, in tofu and bean curd, growth depressants are reduced in quantity but not completely eliminated.

Soy also contains goitrogens - substances that depress thyroid function. Soybeans are high in phytic acid, present in the bran or hulls of all seeds. It's a substance that can block the uptake of essential minerals - calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and especially zinc - in the intestinal tract. Although not a household word, phytic acid has been extensively studied; there are literally hundreds of articles on the effects of phytic acid in the current scientific literature. Scientists are in general agreement that grain- and legume-based diets high in phytates contribute to widespread mineral deficiencies in third world countries. Analysis shows that calcium, magnesium, iron and zinc are present in the plant foods eaten in these areas, but the high phytate content of soy- and grain-based diets prevents their absorption.

The soybean has one of the highest phytate levels of any grain or legume that has been studied,16 and the phytates in soy are highly resistant to normal phytate-reducing techniques such as long, slow cooking. Only a long period of fermentation will significantly reduce the phytate content of soybeans. When precipitated soy products like tofu are consumed with meat, the mineral-blocking effects of the phytates are reduced.18 The Japanese traditionally eat a small amount of tofu or miso as part of a mineral-rich fish broth, followed by a serving of meat or fish. Vegetarians who consume tofu and bean curd as a substitute for meat and dairy products risk severe mineral deficiencies. The results of calcium, magnesium and iron deficiency are well known; those of zinc are less so.

 

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[xborg]

Milk comes from mammals, not beans or nuts. You've eliminated milk and traded it for GMO, glyphosate-soaked, estrogen-mimicking bean water. If you want to consume milk it's better to try goat's milk before giving up on it.

 

[GreenTrails]

Thanks for the information, Grapelander. I realize soy should definitely not be used as infant formula. It doesn't compare with milk for nutrients for babies and children.

The reason I am drinking soy milk is because I had breast cancer two years ago, and I am following the advice of cancer surgeon Dr. Kristi Funk, who advocates whole-food plant based nutrition. She writes:
“This is another area where I dove into the science while writing my book. … I’d been planning to tell people to avoid soy. It turns out that soy is absolutely anti-estrogenic and anti-carcinogenic.

“I go over the studies briefly in the book, but basically, since 2009, every single study in humans as it pertains to soy shows a dramatic reduction in breast cancer occurrence, breast cancer recurrence, and death. Consuming soy leads to around a 60 percent reduction in getting breast cancer and, for estrogen-driven breast cancer patients, a 60 percent reduction in recurrence risk and 29 percent reduction in mortality. And these are huge studies following thousands of women for years. The largest study to date followed women of different ethnicities for an average of 9.4 years and they found a dramatic decrease from just a half a serving of soy a week."

She writes about animal products:
“When you eat animal products, estrogen levels skyrocket, and growth factors go through the roof. In particular, the big-daddy bad actor of them all is IGF-1: insulin-like growth factor.

“IGF-1 screams at all the cells to grow, which is extremely useful, as we all turn over 50 billion cells a day. … But when you have an excess of IGF-1, your cell turnover is done for the day, but it’s still telling cells to grow: to grow atherosclerosis plaque in your arteries; to grow cells that are going to become one to two to four to eight, forming a tumor; and then to grow and metastasize into the liver, into the lungs, into the bones.

“An excess of IGF-1 only exists as a response to consuming animal protein and animal fat.

Also Chris Wark of Chris Beat Cancer says that soy is a good food for the anti-cancer diet.

So I've been advised to eat no dairy.

I do make my own cashew milk, coconut milk and hemp milk, and I alternate these with soy milk.

Sometimes it's hard to know what to do. I keep studying about nutrition, and keep learning new things. I never thought I would be drinking soy milk. I've done KETO, carnivore, Mediterranean, and Ray Peat. The anti-cancer whole-food plant based eating seems to be working for me. Just fresh vegetables, fruits, whole grains, nuts and seeds; occasional grass-fed beef or liver.

I'm always open to learning more.

 

[Grapelander]

Thanks for the information, Grapelander. I realize soy should definitely not be used as infant formula. It doesn't compare with milk for nutrients for babies and children.

The reason I am drinking soy milk is because I had breast cancer two years ago, and I am following the advice of cancer surgeon Dr. Kristi Funk, who advocates whole-food plant based nutrition. She writes:
“This is another area where I dove into the science while writing my book. … I’d been planning to tell people to avoid soy. It turns out that soy is absolutely anti-estrogenic and anti-carcinogenic.

“I go over the studies briefly in the book, but basically, since 2009, every single study in humans as it pertains to soy shows a dramatic reduction in breast cancer occurrence, breast cancer recurrence, and death. Consuming soy leads to around a 60 percent reduction in getting breast cancer and, for estrogen-driven breast cancer patients, a 60 percent reduction in recurrence risk and 29 percent reduction in mortality. And these are huge studies following thousands of women for years. The largest study to date followed women of different ethnicities for an average of 9.4 years and they found a dramatic decrease from just a half a serving of soy a week."

She writes about animal products:
“When you eat animal products, estrogen levels skyrocket, and growth factors go through the roof. In particular, the big-daddy bad actor of them all is IGF-1: insulin-like growth factor.

“IGF-1 screams at all the cells to grow, which is extremely useful, as we all turn over 50 billion cells a day. … But when you have an excess of IGF-1, your cell turnover is done for the day, but it’s still telling cells to grow: to grow atherosclerosis plaque in your arteries; to grow cells that are going to become one to two to four to eight, forming a tumor; and then to grow and metastasize into the liver, into the lungs, into the bones.

“An excess of IGF-1 only exists as a response to consuming animal protein and animal fat.

Also Chris Wark of Chris Beat Cancer says that soy is a good food for the anti-cancer diet.

So I've been advised to eat no dairy.

I do make my own cashew milk, coconut milk and hemp milk, and I alternate these with soy milk.

Sometimes it's hard to know what to do. I keep studying about nutrition, and keep learning new things. I never thought I would be drinking soy milk. I've done KETO, carnivore, Mediterranean, and Ray Peat. The anti-cancer whole-food plant based eating seems to be working for me. Just fresh vegetables, fruits, whole grains, nuts and seeds; occasional grass-fed beef or liver.

I'm always open to learning more.

Appreciate your answer.
If you feel better doing any of the grains, etc. I would stick to that.
I feel best with milk, meat and cooked vegetables.
I really like oatmeal; and love fresh baked bread (einkorn).
How do you get calcium - have you tried eggshells.

 

[Xin]

Soy milk is poison.
There's no debate on this subject and there's overwhelming evidence that it's bad for you. Not all milk are created equal. There's A1 and A2, UHT, pasteurized vs raw, goat milk and provenance.

If you can't get ahold of raw milk and can't digest pasteurized or goat it's fine, you don't need to find a substitute because there's none.

 

[GreenTrails]

Appreciate your answer.
If you feel better doing any of the grains, etc. I would stick to that.
I feel best with milk, meat and cooked vegetables.
I really like oatmeal; and love fresh baked bread (einkorn).
How do you get calcium - have you tried eggshells.

Thank you. I do well with gluten-free grains. I do well with beans, lentils and I eat them a lot. I have gluten-free oatmeal almost every morning. That's where I need some kind of milk. I do use eggshell calcium. I'm older than most on this forum, and I've read varying articles about calcium and how it can end up in a person's arteries. I've read Dr. Levy's book, Death by Calcium. Yes, who doesn't love fresh-baked bread. I make my own "bread" now, using almond and coconut flour. I use the recipe in the GAPS book.

 

[ThisWorld]

I drink all sort of vegan alternatives to milk, not only soy. I digest all of them well. I drink them to get calcium, but maybe buying a supplement is cheaper and better idk.

 

[Dolomite]

I switched to vegan type of milks from the alpro brand, and I digest it much better than normal whole milk which gives me massive diarrhea. According to cronometer it has less pufa than normal whole milk. Anyone with similar experiences as me?

I used a lot of soy milk for baking and cereal for several years and I think it caused hypothyroidism but I didn’t know what that was at the time. I was in my 30s. Unless you have a good reason like @GreenTrails I would find something else.