Retinil - Liquid Vitamin A Dietary Supplement

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  1. narouz

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    Very interesting thread. Thanks!
     
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    You are welcome. Spread the word as far as you can. The more people know about the effect of tetracyclines, vitamin K2, etc the higher the chance that official medicine will finally start to go in the direction of health vs. poison since people will simply stop buying the poison and the propaganda.
     
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    Are there links to other threads or articles where I can read about using Vit A (like the Vit A offered in the Retinil product) in comparison with Accutane? I would like to stop taking Accutane, and instead work with taking Vitamin A. I have been noticing a lot of joint soreness in my hands and general fatigue, and know that it is at least partially because of the Accutane. TIA
     
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    Don't know of any direct comparisons b/c most pharma companies would be against comparing their drug to a natural alternative. However, there are some threads on acne effectiveness showing 200,000 IU daily for women and 400,000 IU daily for men were as effective as accutane. If you convert the IU to mg you can compare effectiveness of equivalent doses.
     
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    Is there any reason why taking 10-12 drops 2x/day in morning and early afternoon would somehow manifest into a racing heart and anxiety like attack at night? Could it be a synergistic reaction with the caffeine and/or niacinamide doses Ive been taking (and increasing) during the day creating some type of hyper thyroid event... or maybe some reaction to the caffeine and niacinamide doses wearing off? Could it be reacting with the progest-e I've taken just before that? I've kind of been getting the feeling lately that I've reached the point of diminishing returns on progesterone anyway. Could these events be a cortisol spike?
     
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    I get similar reaction to anything over 100,000 IU vitamin A daily and the effect is the same as taking too much thyroid. High cortisol makes feel cold but vitamin A does not. Vitamin A also inhibit 11b-HSD1 so it should actually lower cortisol.
     
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    I definitely didn't feel cold, so it must have been as you say happens to you. I wouldn't have thought that amount in such a short time could have spiked my thyroid up so much.

    Thanks for the reply.
     
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    haidut

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    Did you see the study on obese women getting 30%+ boost in thyroid function from only 25,000 IU retinyl palmitate daily?
    viewtopic.php?f=116&t=8131
    Taking 10 drops of Retinil would be 25,000 IU and taking that twice a day probably boost thyroid function even more. If there is a point at which vitamin A inhibits thyroid, at least for me it is above 200,000 IU daily since I have tried that high as well and still got the same thermogenic effect.
     
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    where are the best places to apply this topically, and is there a bigger benefit to taking it topically?
     
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    If possible, I'd do the scalp or temples. Some people get cognitive boost from applying vitamin A close to or on the head.
    Wrists, earlobes, ankles, shoulders and inner thighs are also good places.
     
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    I did see that study, but also saw a few others posted here that even higher amounts had benefits--so that was what I was trying to get up to. I have dropped back down to 10-12 drops once in the morning and have been fine. Will stay at that for awhile and see if I eventually start noticing a healthy, beneficial increase in thyroid function.
     
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    Pleased to report that using Retinil (acetate) and some Nutrisorb (palmitate) at 50,000 iu over 6 months (source depending on availability), a gentleman I know had success with total reduction of overgrowth of blood vessels at the back of the eye (diabetic retinopathy). This result rather surprised the ophthalmologist who much preferred the standard treatment of anti-neoplastic injections to 'control' same. Such barbarism had not been done for a year. And no, said 'specialist' specifically did not want to know what had been done to achieve this remarkable result. Curiosity failure right there. One sign of potential vitamin A excess occurred that of very dry mouth but skin on arms has improved significantly, from angry red to appropriately tanned, no other obvious Vit A overload symptoms were seen (dandruff, acne, yellowing, dry eyes). There is the possibility that this approach also reduced high cortisol levels from a very stressful job as he recovers better and chiropractic manipulations hold (always an energy dependent thing, I feel). Whilst dosage of Vit A remains very person specific in my experience, the result is exactly what might be hoped from this approach and I trust it gives others hope/ideas.
    Just some feedback.
    Sheila
     
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    That is just wonderful! Thanks for sharing and if any other notable things happen while using Retinil please keep me posted. It seems humble Retinil is doing more good than I imagined it would.
     
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    Yes, Haidut, it's very good news, in this case it ensures he doesn't lose his vital driving licence, so many ramifications with eyes. More feedback in a few months on other people to come. This patient, btw prefers the palmitate version, we have no idea why, it's his intuitive response. And everyone is different. But the majority of this response was using Retinil, so it sure works.
    However, a question if I may. Do you think Vit A also has some kind of anti-histamine effect?
    Giraffe's report viewtopic.php?f=116&t=8227 suggests it decreases intestinal permeability, or rather makes it more appropriate. I note also that it was three separate high doses. This may be worth considering for other bacteria-prone, worm-prone, kind of children.
    Any thoughts, at your convenience, would be great. Thanks
    Sheila
     
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    The protective activity of vitamin A on the entire GI tract is well known. It was given to people with radiation damage to the GI tract back in the 1960.
    As far as it being an anhistamine, it is quite possible even though I have not seen much study on that. Something to consider:
    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00456846
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2469591

    Finally, vitamin A is anti-estrogenic so that alone may account for some antihistamine activity.
    viewtopic.php?t=5475
     
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    Do you think vitamin A supplementation is safe for pregnant women?
     
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    It depends on the woman's thyroid and vitamin A status. If any of these is out of whack it could be teratogenic even in smaller doses (<50K IU).
     
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    Thank you Haidut for these research links, I just had a feeling that might also be a mechanism to consider.
    Sheila
     
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    haidut, can you say a bit more about the cognitive enhancing effects of vitamin A?

    When you have used it, how did it feel, did it feel like a cup of coffee, or more powerful like a dose of progesterone? Is it an energizing effect, and would you avoid taking it by night?

    Have you tried palmitate (apparently it's what Peat uses), or only acetate - were there any differences?
     
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    I posted studies showing vitamin A is dopaminergic and this should explain a good portion of its mental effects. Have not tried to compare palmitate and acetate version but they should be pretty similar. Acetate has higher RE activity than palmitate so you could get by on lower doses. A dose of 5,000 IU acetate is equivalent to 8,700 IU palmitate.
     
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