Ray Peat Political Views

[HDD]

It seems that all of the problems of development and degeneration can be alleviated by the appropriate use of the energy-protective materials. When we realize that our human nature is problematic, we can begin to explore our best potentials.

----Ray Peat

 

[Asimov]

Capitalism or communism equally share of the same system thought, collectivism.

The core principle of collectivism is the individual has to be sacrified for the group. It's motto is " the greater good of the greater number".

This is completely 100% untrue of capitalism. Capitalism is a system of dividing labor and expertise, and portioning out resources to the place where they'll be used most efficiently. No actor in a capitalist system must sacrifice themselves for the "greater good".

For capitalism to work, every actor must perceive they are getting the better deal for the transaction to take place. Simply put, because it's voluntary, both parties must WIN or the interaction will not exist. I want the coffee more than I want the dollar, so I buy a coffee. Starbucks wants the dollar more than they want the coffee, so they sell me a coffee. We both say thanks, and move on with a smile on our face.

What you say is 100% true of socialism however. It is, by definition, a system where the few must sacrifice to the many, whether they wish to or not. Very authoritarian.

 

[Dorito Loyalist]

Ya I prefer systems where the many sacrifice for the few.

Additionally, can't starvation increase dopamine and testosterone?

 

[Dorito Loyalist]

Lol dopamine and testosterone also correlate to conservative views, religiosity and racism.

 

[jaguar43]

Capitalism or communism equally share of the same system thought, collectivism.

The core principle of collectivism is the individual has to be sacrified for the group. It's motto is " the greater good of the greater number".

This is completely 100% untrue of capitalism. Capitalism is a system of dividing labor and expertise, and portioning out resources to the place where they'll be used most efficiently. No actor in a capitalist system must sacrifice themselves for the "greater good".

For capitalism to work, every actor must perceive they are getting the better deal for the transaction to take place. Simply put, because it's voluntary, both parties must WIN or the interaction will not exist. I want the coffee more than I want the dollar, so I buy a coffee. Starbucks wants the dollar more than they want the coffee, so they sell me a coffee. We both say thanks, and move on with a smile on our face.

What you say is 100% true of socialism however. It is, by definition, a system where the few must sacrifice to the many, whether they wish to or not. Very authoritarian.

Mind and Tissue pg 38
"It should be pointed out that carl rogers version phenomenology denies objective conflicts of interest, and as a result is popular among United States business leaders: Rogers has agrued, for example, that there is no real conflict between workers and owners, and that "good communications" rather than to the understanding that wages and profits are really opposed.
The fact of power is ignored."
(P.S, he still does believe in this because I heard it on the radio station science and politics)

If you think that wal-mart decides not to pay there workers a fair share ( because 30% of them live below the poverty line) because the walton family needs money ( the fact that they have enough money for five generations) to continue there business due to economic difficulties, then let god have mercy on your soul.

I am pretty sure ray peat sympathy's socialism and communism. Though we have never seen a true communism arise on earth. Russia, China, North Korea and others are dictators to the max. But North Korea's science on cancer is pretty interesting, they have machines that could help increase breast size and a help with breast cancer, but of course we americans do not like anything other than our chemo, radiation, surgery, and other deadly methods of medicine.

 

[Asimov]

If you think that wal-mart decides not to pay there workers a fair share ( because 30% of them live below the poverty line) because the walton family needs money ( the fact that they have enough money for five generations) to continue there business due to economic difficulties, then let god have mercy on your soul.

I do not believe that. Convenient, because I also never said, expressed, nor even implied it in the slightest way. In the business of internet debates, this is called a "strawman" argument and only works to convince or deceive the weakest minded of adversaries.

 

[burtlancast]

This is completely 100% untrue of capitalism. Capitalism is a system of dividing labor and expertise, and portioning out resources to the place where they'll be used most efficiently. No actor in a capitalist system must sacrifice themselves for the "greater good".

For capitalism to work, every actor must perceive they are getting the better deal for the transaction to take place. Simply put, because it's voluntary, both parties must WIN or the interaction will not exist.

Except capitalism, just like communism, is a creation of the mind without basis in reality.

Capitalism is the facade the monopoly system uses to justify it's tyranny, where a small group of people amass an enormous wealth by stiffling competition and making society work for them.
( see Anthony Sutton )

All in the name of " the greater good for the greater number", naturally.

In the communist sytem, you have no free will and must be a slave to the state.

In the capitalist system, you have a free will but cannot implement it because the state prevents any competition.

In that sense, socialist countries are perhaps more humane, as their population are slaves who have conscience of being opressed, while the people in the capitalist countries ,thanks to education brainwashing, falsly assume to be free, and thus are the most hopelessly enslaved.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsly believe they are free"
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

 

[burtlancast]

"If the enslaved believe they are free, they have no reason to rise against the slavers, since they don't know there are any slavers at all."

 

[jaguar43]

If you think that wal-mart decides not to pay there workers a fair share ( because 30% of them live below the poverty line) because the walton family needs money ( the fact that they have enough money for five generations) to continue there business due to economic difficulties, then let god have mercy on your soul.

I do not believe that. Convenient, because I also never said, expressed, nor even implied it in the slightest way. In the business of internet debates, this is called a "strawman" argument and only works to convince or deceive the weakest minded of adversaries.

Yup you are correct, thanks for the new word.

 

[jaguar43]

This is completely 100% untrue of capitalism. Capitalism is a system of dividing labor and expertise, and portioning out resources to the place where they'll be used most efficiently. No actor in a capitalist system must sacrifice themselves for the "greater good".

For capitalism to work, every actor must perceive they are getting the better deal for the transaction to take place. Simply put, because it's voluntary, both parties must WIN or the interaction will not exist.

Except capitalism, just like communism, is a creation of the mind without basis in reality.

Capitalism is the facade the monopoly system uses to justify it's tyranny, where a small group of people amass an enormous wealth by stiffling competition and making society work for them.
( see Anthony Sutton )

All in the name of " the greater good for the greater number", naturally.

In the communist sytem, you have no free will and must be a slave to the state.

In the capitalist system, you have a free will but cannot implement it because the state prevents any competition.

In that sense, socialist countries are perhaps more humane, as their population are slaves who have conscience of being opressed, while the people in the capitalist countries ,thanks to education brainwashing, falsly assume to be free, and thus are the most hopelessly enslaved.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsly believe they are free"
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

You denounce socialism but most of ray peat scientific data derive from socialist and communist scientist. If you were to read mind and tissue I bet you would never listen to Ray Peat again.

The libertarian ideology is closely aligned with the Republicans and CEO leaders. They believe that the economy is a self regulating entity which can't be interfered. which ignores the events like slavery, Warfare for business profit, buying media outlets to promote big business ideas. The libertarians promote racism to justify that most people that are colored used the welfare system. People like ron paul going against 1964 civil rights bill that give people the right to not allow different people of color, religion, and beliefs on property like restaurants, water fountains, laundromats. George Wallace was the perfect example of this ideology, his close ties with G. Edward Griffin goes to show how libertarians are misinformed about their own ideology.

Ignoring the working class is a central idea in the libertarian idea. Creating a neo-darwinin society promotes ideas that everyone is out for themselves. To assume that rich people, churches, and other devices will help poor people by donating is far from reality. Educational institutions will be similar to the ones we have today. The people with the money will direct the science to go one way. Instead of having scientist's research for truth and helping people, you will have people like ray peat, gilbert ling, albert szent-gyorgyi, mae-wan-ho not giving the resources to advance their theories like true socialist and communist ideas. This is what Marx, Lenin, and troskey were about. A revolution that was based on tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, Pavlov.

 

[Asimov]

Except capitalism, just like communism, is a creation of the mind without basis in reality.

Capitalism is the facade the monopoly system uses to justify it's tyranny, where a small group of people amass an enormous wealth by stiffling competition and making society work for them.
( see Anthony Sutton )

All in the name of " the greater good for the greater number", naturally.

In the communist sytem, you have no free will and must be a slave to the state.

In the capitalist system, you have a free will but cannot implement it because the state prevents any competition.

In that sense, socialist countries are perhaps more humane, as their population are slaves who have conscience of being opressed, while the people in the capitalist countries ,thanks to education brainwashing, falsly assume to be free, and thus are the most hopelessly enslaved.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsly believe they are free"
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Capitalism can't make anyone do anything because capitalism is 100% voluntary. If it's not 100% voluntary, it is by definition, not capitalism.

I think you misunderstand that which you speak on.

 

[burtlancast]

You denounce socialism but most of ray peat scientific data derive from socialist and communist scientist. If you were to read mind and tissue I bet you would never listen to Ray Peat again.

Ray cites scientific data from communist countries because , paradoxally, there's a lesser influence of politics in research than in occident, and thus more truth can be learned from it.

It doesn't imply of course at all that Ray approves the communist/ socialist regime there.

And i don't need to agree/ disagree with Libertarian ideology to understand the lies and deceptions of the diverse "ism" political systems we have been brainwashed with for the past 150 years.

 

[fyo]

What impact would you like to see your research make on society? Reaching the largest amount of people? or a certain type of person? Or are you completely detached from the outcome?

“I’d like to see it lead to the disestablishment of medicine. The same general outcomes Ivan Illich worked for. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDr71LHO ... re=related) ”

I think its fair to say Peat is anti-authority, the medical establishment being a sort of 'authority'. Wants people to think for themselves, asking the right questions, engaging in life actively rather than depending on authority figures for orders about how to act, what to believe, etc.

 

[jaguar43]

You denounce socialism but most of ray peat scientific data derive from socialist and communist scientist. If you were to read mind and tissue I bet you would never listen to Ray Peat again.

Ray cites scientific data from communist countries because , paradoxally, there's a lesser influence of politics in research than in occident, and thus more truth can be learned from it.

It doesn't imply of course at all that Ray approves the communist/ socialist regime there.

And i don't need to agree/ disagree with Libertarian ideology to understand the lies and deceptions of the diverse "ism" political systems we have been brainwashed with for the past 150 years.

For historical and culture (and political) reasons, however, the soviet scientist is likely to see everything he does as having a social significance and ideology overtones..........scientific papers seem bizarre to the westerner, who is used to politicians being politicians and scientist being scientist. But the fact is both Lenin and Stalin were remarkable intellectuals who believed it was their political responsibility to be very well informed about cultural and scientific matters. It is the same attitude which makes the soviet scientist likely choose problems of social significance, and to interpret his work in terms of a large historical frame work.

Mind and tissue page 40

HE talks about how to Marx and Engels ideas shape the way science was directed.

You my friend are a libertarian don't try to hide it.

 

[burtlancast]

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to say somehow Ray approves of communists regimes and their leaders ?

I find that quite hard to believe.

And you and others should quit fixating on Libertarian ideology and concentrate on cold , hard and demonstrable facts about the shortcomings of capitalism/ monopolism.

Griffin is, with some notable exceptions, the sole straight shooter in town on these subjects, to my knowledge at least.

And i don't need to agree 100% to an ideology to chose it over all other fakes ones.

 

[Asimov]

Stalin and Lenin are collectively responsible for millions of deaths in their respective genocides. Engels was a trust fund baby, never did an honest days work in his life. Karl Marx was completely incompetent, a failure at EVERYTHING he ever tried until Engels agreed to take care of him like a baby and write commy articles together.

Not exactly a role model amongst them.

 

[jaguar43]

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to say somehow Ray approves of communists regimes and their leaders ?

I find that quite hard to believe.

And you and others should quit fixating on Libertarian ideology and concentrate on cold , hard and demonstrable facts about the shortcomings of capitalism/ monopolism.

Griffin is, with some notable exceptions, the sole straight shooter in town on these subjects, to my knowledge at least.

And i don't need to agree 100% to an ideology to chose it over all other fakes ones.

He ideas might have change since writing his book, but the point that he did indeed write these ideas in his book and it should be introduce to his followers because people have the tendency to put words in his mouth like "practitioners" and other people who speak for him.

What to do you mean fake ones. Please be more descriptive of what you say, people will hold you accountable for that.

 

[jaguar43]

Stalin and Lenin are collectively responsible for millions of deaths in their respective genocides. Engels was a trust fund baby, never did an honest days work in his life. Karl Marx was completely incompetent, a failure at EVERYTHING he ever tried until Engels agreed to take care of him like a baby and write commy articles together.

Not exactly a role model amongst them.

Keep it on topic. I'm not on here to have d*** measuring contests. I'm here to discuss and learn. Please support your arguments. Besides, I didn't write that ray peat did.

 

[Asimov]

How is this not on topic of Ray Peat's political views?? You want support for the things I wrote about the negative aspects of Lenin, Stalin, Engels and Marx?

www.google.com

It's all common knowledge. Go educate yourself.

Communism is retarded and so are the people that support it (despite having never lived in a communist regime)

 

[jaguar43]

How is this not on topic of Ray Peat's political views?? You want support for the things I wrote about the negative aspects of Lenin, Stalin, Engels and Marx?

http://www.google.com

It's all common knowledge. Go educate yourself.

Communism is retarded and so are the people that support it (despite having never lived in a communist regime)

Because you don't have any evidence for your argument. You just say stupid ***t to piss people off, For gods sake you posted a url for google, who does that.

I bet your parents parents were as hardcore about loving capitalism as you are. Hating poor people, colored people, no sympathy for anyone not even for themselves. Except that you are as dogmatic as them, because you don't change you stay the same.

I kinda feel sorry for you.