Cultural Marxism, Reds Against (W) Freedom

[meatbag]

A general rule of thumb is that if you can't express an argument, no matter how complex, in a concise way, you don't really understand the subject. If you want to argue over semantics, count me out. My general point was that the Soviets and Nazis have more in common with each other than Western conservatives do with Nazis.

You posted; "You're forgetting the most important fact in history that Nazi Germany was a socialist state economically. To call them fascist is dishonest and deflective, but I wouldn't expect anything better from the communists than to do that."

The evidence demonstrates that is not the case

 

[Pistachio]

You posted; "You're forgetting the most important fact in history that Nazi Germany was a socialist state economically. To call them fascist is dishonest and deflective, but I wouldn't expect anything better from the communists than to do that."

The evidence demonstrates that is not the case

"Fascism" is a Soviet descriptor, not some objective intellectual term. It's labelled for anyone who is not communist/socialist/marxist, regardless of the facts. Same goes for ANTIFA. They call anyone not with them Fascists/Nazis.

Communist manuals instruct their lackeys to label their opponents "fascist", "Nazi", or "anti-Semitic", regardless of truth, as explained in the following clip from G. Edward Griffin.



So, you see, the term fascism is really meaningless. It's just a smear and can mean all things to all communists.

 

[meatbag]

"Fascism" is a Soviet descriptor, not some objective intellectual term. It's labelled for anyone who is not communist/socialist/marxist, regardless of the facts. Same goes for ANTIFA. They call anyone not with them as Fascists/Nazis.

Communist manuals instruct their lackeys to label their opponents of "fascist", "Nazi", or "anti-Semitic", regardless of truth.

The economies are distinctly categorized and are clearly different

 

[Pistachio]

The economies are distinctly categorized and are clearly different

The differences between socialism and communism in terms of economics is really just an outer layer distraction for public consumption. The agenda goes through regardless. Communism has truly never been about economics; it's just about power. Socialism is a ladder to communism. Only the naive get fooled by the economic ideologies they supposedly entail.

Even so, Nazi Germany was very much a socialist, albeit authoritarian, state, similar to the CCCP.

 

[meatbag]

The differences between socialism and communism in terms of economics is really just an outer layer distraction for public consumption. The agenda goes through regardless.

The economy of Nazi Germany is distinctly different from socialism

 

[Pistachio]

The economy of Nazi Germany is distinctly different from socialism

You seem to be hung up on petty ideological differences, when communism is really about getting to power and enslaving. It's that simple. The ideologies are there to stoke the minds of the intellectuals, thereby distracting them while the communist rulers slip in their true agenda.

“The Communist movement is a Trojan horse because it systematically conceals its identity —in its propaganda and organizational tactics.” — Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, The Strategy of Deception: A Study in Worldwide Communist Tactics

 

[GelatinGoblin]

You seem to be hung up on petty ideological differences, when communism is really about getting to power and enslaving. It's that simple. The ideologies are there to stoke the minds of the intellectuals, thereby distracting them while the communist rulers slip in their true agenda.

weird. My grandfather, grandmother and millions of others who were born in the 40s and 30s seem to be quite fond of the USSR despite being enslaved as you describe. The peak of the USSR was between the late 50s until 1976, it was truly heaven and even those who are strongly against Communism agree that time was utter freedom. You say maybe well you can't speak against the state, well nobody wanted to. It was really good. And freedom of mind and body was there. For enslaved people compared to modern standards and even the peak of Capitalism in the 50s and 60s it was extremely high, heaven-like.

 

[NathanK]

weird. My grandfather, grandmother and millions of others who were born in the 40s and 30s seem to be quite fond of the USSR despite being enslaved as you describe. The peak of the USSR was between the late 50s until 1976, it was truly heaven and even those who are strongly against Communism agree that time was utter freedom. You say maybe well you can't speak against the state, well nobody wanted to. It was really good. And freedom of mind and body was there. For enslaved people compared to modern standards and even the peak of Capitalism in the 50s and 60s it was extremely high, heaven-like.

People love to romanticize the past. Especially considering the shape the globe is in now. I don't recall many people defecting or fleeing America or western Europe in make-shift rafts like I saw repetitively growing up. My step-grandparents fled the horrors of Mao Zedong's revolution and did not think they left behind freedom. Neither did my friend from Poland. I'd love to hear what former Rhodesians, Cubans, or Cambodians have to say.

That being said, I'm sure there are people that it worked out for, but, contrary to the ideology that promises equality, it was far from an equal experience.

I wish we could get out of this left-right, democrat-republican, progressive-conservative, communist-capitalist paradigm. There is only the global bankers and elite class vs everyone else. Note that the only countries not under central banker control today are Syria, Iran, and North Korea. Every US president assassinated attempted to end Central Bank control. One of the big goals that Hitler succeeded at was destroying the central banks that were impoverishing Germany.

 

[GelatinGoblin]

Also it is funny, because in the modern North American environment you are practically enslaved. Education costs a ton, and for tens of years you work purely to pay it off after you got the job that needed that required that education.
Fascism is also described as "late stage Capitalism" which is what is happening in North America and Israel currently.

 

[Peater]

When you use the term 'free markets', what is it free from?

Manipulation.

 

[NathanK]

Also it is funny, because in the modern North American environment you are practically enslaved. Education costs a ton, and for tens of years you work purely to pay it off after you got the job that needed that required that education.
Fascism is also described as "late stage Capitalism" which is what is happening in North America and Israel currently.

I don't disagree with the former. North America has been corrupted socially by Marxist theory and economically co-opted by central banks. Both have destroyed the fabric of what made America great. Has nothing to do with capitalism.

"Late stage Capitalism" is fruit of the latter and not a cause. Hitler rose to power in 1933 only after Germany underwent a revolution in 1917-1918 in which the Marxists won creating the disastrous Weimar Republic. So you could argue fascism was late stage Marxism.

The Weimar Republic created the Frankfurt School whom Hitler kicked out in 1934. They moved to southern California to be employed by the OSS/CIA and elite Universities in their social science departments. And here we are.

 

[cats]

A question for those in this thread who claim that the Frankfurt School theories form the basis of the agenda of economic and political elites: have you read papers by Frankfurt School theorists?

 

[NathanK]

A question for those in this thread who claim that the Frankfurt School theories form the basis of the agenda of economic and political elites: have you read papers by Frankfurt School theorists?

I posted a 4 part series by James Lindsay reading word for word Marcuse's 1965 paper on the ideology. Worth the listen

 

[NathanK]

A question for those in this thread who claim that the Frankfurt School theories form the basis of the agenda of economic and political elites: have you read papers by Frankfurt School theorists?

Btw, nobody has said the Frankfurt School is the basis of the economic elites. But it does play into their hands as a nation of individuals are not nearly as strong as a community based on cultural, religious, and racial commonalities. The Frankfurt School did know that much. And probably why they were such strong advocates of the Jewish state of Israel. I always found that ironic.

 

[meatbag]

Manipulation.

Could you provide any examples? People seem to use the term to mean a lot of different things

 

[Pistachio]

weird. My grandfather, grandmother and millions of others who were born in the 40s and 30s seem to be quite fond of the USSR despite being enslaved as you describe. The peak of the USSR was between the late 50s until 1976, it was truly heaven and even those who are strongly against Communism agree that time was utter freedom. You say maybe well you can't speak against the state, well nobody wanted to. It was really good. And freedom of mind and body was there. For enslaved people compared to modern standards and even the peak of Capitalism in the 50s and 60s it was extremely high, heaven-like.

Stockholm syndrome. I've met Russians in the West who claim Stalinist Russia was better. These people are toadies and victims of cult of personality, like the Trumpians who think America was never better than under Trump, when obviously this is not true.

The peak of the USSR was between the late 50s until 1976, it was truly heaven and even those who are strongly against Communism agree that time was utter freedom.

Oh, please. This is so far removed from reality.

 

[Pistachio]

Also it is funny, because in the modern North American environment you are practically enslaved. Education costs a ton, and for tens of years you work purely to pay it off after you got the job that needed that required that education.
Fascism is also described as "late stage Capitalism" which is what is happening in North America and Israel currently.

The West is being communized, not fascisized.

 

[meatbag]

The West is being communized, not fascisized.

Can you describe the difference between a communist and facist economy? Afterall, "political institutions are superstructure resting on an economic foundation"

 

[Pistachio]

Can you describe the difference between a communist and facist economy? Afterall, "political institutions are superstructure resting on an economic foundation"

I am not trying to say that communism and fascism don't have similarities. I'm pointing out that the current state of the West is the direct result of decades-long communist penetration, that never ended at the staged spectacle of the fall of the Berlin wall. Lenin declared a permanent revolution that would eventually bring in WORLD communism. It's happening now.

 

[meatbag]

I am not trying to say that communism and fascism don't have similarities. I'm pointing out that the current state of the West is the direct result of decades-long communist penetration, that never ended at the staged spectacle of the fall of the Berlin wall.

Do you have any examples of how the US economy is becoming more communist since the collapse of the berlin wall?