Cultural Marxism, Reds Against (W) Freedom

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  1. MatheusPN

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    Some right-wingers talk about and are against the forged and incongruent, "Cultural Marxism" classification. Funnily it's the same forged argument made by Nazis. Coincidentally the right who is into it is practically for the same reason as Nazis.

    The majority of "Cultural Marxists", hate/ opposes most things associated with "Cultural Marxism", Marxists and alike also strongly oppose it.
    It's extremely illogical how they can put liberal ideologies and Marxist ideologies in the same basket. This demonstrates how they misrepresent things like the Frankfurt School so badly.

    In a world controlled by Capitalists, controlled by right-wingers and the media controlled by the likes of Bill Gates, they put the fault into some ridiculous conspiracy. And funnily enough precisely who is benefiting from "it" are the rich capitalists, who continuously uses things like identity politics and political correctness, to make profit, to divide and conquer and to create a repressive culture. Something that the majority of the Frankfurt School and all of the Marxists are against, despise it and alerted against it.
    From the "Cultural Marxist" Mercuse:
    "Ever since the first World War, when the system of liberalism began to shape into the system of authoritarianism..."

    It would be only a reply, so its incomplete but would be out of the theme of the thread so I started this thread to know the views of the ppl about it.
    Warning some ppl who like Fascist Conspiracy: @Ledo @PxD @Sucrates @x-ray peat @Badger @Pet Peeve
    And I think @yerrag maybe will like to talk about it. @Geronimo @TheSir
     
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    Whatever the system is now, it isn't capitalist. Corporate-fascism maybe. Techno-kleptocracy?

    Only the plebs get capitalism if they can't afford stuff. The billionaires get more socialism.
     
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    The billionaires get more socialism because they control and have monopolies/ oligopolies over the means of production, all thanks to, facilitated and encouraged by capitalism so therefore they amass great power, enabling the control over the media and achieving control over politicians and politics.

    Capitalism: private property and focus on loving capital. Socialism: Ppl control the means of production.
    The State is owned undemocratically by the elite, they create our authoritarian structures. Capitalism is an elitist idea that benefits the elite or whoever has more capital.
    In an "anti-statist" capitalist territory (another right-wing nonsense), the most powerful if capitalist, would create a dictatorial State/ Kingdom.
     
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    Neoliberal Finance Capitalism backstopped by the FED's keyboard

    Not all socialism is marxist
     
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    What's your preferred definition of "the means of production"?
     
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    I like having my own property and I'm not about to apologise for that to anyone.

    If communism is so great why does it always result in millions of deaths? And have to be ushered in with a violent revolution?
     
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    Another ridiculous repetitive misconception forged against communism, so:
    Lets differentiate capitalism from most of the socialism philosophy: Private property, Capitalism from personal/ possession property
    The capitalist is for the monopolies like Standard Oil, to establish wage slavery while the other is for you, your car, your home and your small business.

    Yep, the millions of deaths of Nazis. And you're right, communities with 200 ppl, become masochists and starved themselves like Native Americans while being capable of destroying Nazi Germany. e.e

    And you should study if you want to know the non-revolutionary/ non-oppressive rebellions against capitalism, which additionally continue to be successful!
     
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    For sure it isn't. And the context I use socialism is relevant and very discernible.
    Do you like marxism or fascism or what?
    And some ppl won't see the relation with "Cultural Marxism" but I suppose you think that Zionism is at the root of Communism, alt-right, and Marxism, right? Or more, which I dont expect you to think, that the Jewish ppl are the root of the problem?
     
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    Means of productions when used against capitalism or in a Marxist cnv, it is usually things like a factory. In capitalism typically are things used to make capital.
    My preferred way to use is very context dependant, very dependant on the environment. In common it would be that what can be used to dominate another, like gold mines, shouldn't be privatized, shouldn't become a monopoly to one, shouldn't become capital and a way to gain power over others, forcing others to depend on you.
    To understand my opinion better, and to stay on the topic:
    Deliberation Makes People Consistently Selfish
    @aguineapig edited to answer more broadly.
     
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    I have no idea what you mean but sounds pretty much like a holodomor.

    More communist goodness.
     
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    Yeah, I'd go for that. Why put capitalism in there though? "Neoliberal Finance backstopped by the FED's keyboard" works just as well.

    A top-down centrally planned economy is an inherent part of communism
     
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    Because it is Capitalism, just Loan/Speculative Capital driven as opposed to Industrial Capital. Government involvement doesnt change that. As far as being centrally planned, that is only partly true since the Covid stimulus. Prior to covid almost all new money was created by private Bank real estate speculation.
     
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    Again the repetitive anti-communist, fascist propaganda. Why ppl dont search who are responsible for the propaganda of lies against it?
    Or better, after USSR tried to resolve the famine problem which was recurrent in Ukraine because of improper/ poor agriculture, it resolved it after and then occurred only one more time in the entire giant USSR, involved in wars and also in a intern war principally against Trotskyists/ fascists/ FBI influence.
    How come fascists/ nazists come together so many times with capitalists against socialists/ USSR? Like in 1937/38?

    Holodomor, unfortunately, all the fault goes to the concept of anti-statism, blessed communists. The Soviets organized themselves as a community, not a State, how every community there unified, like a State, without a traditional State organization and hierarchy, crazy.
    Obvious nonsense e.e

    Come closer, existed a giant communist territory, not in SU, the Soviets conquered them, thanks mostly to Trotskyists.
    Neoloberalism is capitalistic.
    TOP-down economy is mainly the opposite of lots of communist philosophies! Even before Marx it was especially know to be the opposite of it.

    The top-down economy is intrinsically elitist and hierarchical, two characteristics of the right and of capitalism.
    I will happily do if you respond to my previous questions to you about what you prefer, fascism or what?
    Or if you reply if to you Zionism is at the root of Communism, alt-right, and Marxism... @michael94 I'm very curious about your opinions, lots of times I was likely to pm you...
     
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    Explain
     
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    No. It was created by one central organisation. The Federal Reserve.

    Don't worry you'll get all the communism your little heart can desire when this "Great Reset" kicks into action properly
     
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    So capital will become illogical therefore useless. The State will be dissolved. And Bill Gates will lose all his power. We will finally be able to have a direct democracy with free association and dissent, dissociation. Utopia will become a reality long ahead of every schedule! Nice!
    Even cooler to see we banding together to hijack the thread! Cooperation my comrade
    Its unlikely that Michael94 is a red communist.

    Edit: Its capital not money, my mistake. Strange..
     
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    Why are they pushing the digital dollar that they will have total control over?

    Sure as long as you don't want to eat meat, not get vaccinated, live in the countryside...

    I really can't be bothered arguing with you. You're not even making sensible points.
     
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    How would you define fascism? People use it in so arbitrary ways these days.
     
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    What about ownership of tools, and small simple machines like that of a subsistence farmer? Are these "allowable" property or is property such as that subject to collectivization? How about land access? How should that be approached in lieu of private property? Russia still has a legacy of small country dwellings and gardens. How to keep them from exploitation from human populism/mobs?

    I don't like the focus on things like factories which would have a small role in an agrarian society emphasizing appropriate technologies. People like Eugene Debs are hopelessly infected by industrialism and defeatist. His speaking was more like better conditions for slaves, than true emancipation. Smallholdings are virtually the only true freedom from exploitation /slavery. So whatever system that extolls and upholds the smallholding is what I am for, whatever that is.
     
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    I have a simple yes or no question for you just to stir the pot; have you read "the doctrine of fascism" by "mussolini"/gentile?
     
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