Is political talk peaty at all?

[Serge]

It occured to me that talking politics and being generally interested in the matter virtually destroys the whole point of preserving bioenergy, heh. Unless you have a very fortunate inborn superstable set of mind but then you probably not need Ray Peat.
At least with me, opening politics related sites never brings anything positive. Positive may come as some stupid transient illusion, but it always ends up in cortisol and adrenaline.

 

[Gfh]

I often don't admit to (myself) having any interest in politics. I think it's because conversations about politics usually get very personal and lead to petty disagreements and judgements as well as hypocrisy. So I try to be above it. There is something dehumanizing about politics I think ...

But I still need to confront my false identity as the "apolitical." Or kind of understand myself better somehow. That, I think, is the Peaty thing for me to do.

 

[FredSonoma]

More than 50 years ago, I realized that the US culture had become effectively totalitarian, with decorations, and even the decorations were being fixed by the specialists (the Congress for Cultural Freedom, for example). I went through a series of graduate studies and projects looking for places where reality could influence the culture, rather than being obliterated by it. The academic culture, though, was rapidly changing for the worse. Over a period of a few years I happened to see a few people recover immediately from what doctors had considered incurable problems, using simple and inexpensive methods, and then I realized that some people were willing to discard their old ideas when those conflicted with useful facts, especially when the useful facts could save their life. I started doing evening and weekend classes in nutrition and endocrinology, seeing health as a way to get reality into the culture. My newsletter grew out of the classes, and that led to answering mail, which is cheaper and easier on the internet.
- Ray Peat (from Ray Peat Interviews Revisited | Vision and Acceptance )

I think Ray is possibly a lot more interested in politics than nutrition

 

[Serge]

I think Ray is possibly a lot more interested in politics than nutrition

well, I guess Ray Peat can afford not to be peaty :)

I think it's because conversations about politics usually get very personal and lead to petty disagreements and judgements as well as hypocrisy.

I think political talk is popular because it stimulates most primitive, trivial, egoistic and beastly traits in us. Interested in them, can't help opening that forum - there's something fundamentally wrong with you. Painful itch, worse than alcoholism in a way.

 

[FredSonoma]

How's it Peaty if it's not like Peat himself :)

 

[LUH 3417]

I think politics is an abstraction of personal power, similar to how genetic theory of human physiology abstracts the reality of the personal organism. Maybe dismantling the philosophical basis of such abstractions is useful and energizing, but yea I find it I am having a conversation about whether or not trump is a psyop, I get into that serotoninergic black and white hive mind state where I start having thoughts about the other person being stupid or bad and am trying to figure out how to compartmentalize the situation.

 

[Philomath]

there are dozens of radio broadcast recordings of Dr. Peat discussing politics - the series that comes to mind is “Politics and Science” with John Barkhousen(?)
however, if talking politics raises your stress levels, then it is definitely not “peaty”

 

[Dr. B]

More than 50 years ago, I realized that the US culture had become effectively totalitarian, with decorations, and even the decorations were being fixed by the specialists (the Congress for Cultural Freedom, for example). I went through a series of graduate studies and projects looking for places where reality could influence the culture, rather than being obliterated by it. The academic culture, though, was rapidly changing for the worse. Over a period of a few years I happened to see a few people recover immediately from what doctors had considered incurable problems, using simple and inexpensive methods, and then I realized that some people were willing to discard their old ideas when those conflicted with useful facts, especially when the useful facts could save their life. I started doing evening and weekend classes in nutrition and endocrinology, seeing health as a way to get reality into the culture. My newsletter grew out of the classes, and that led to answering mail, which is cheaper and easier on the internet.
- Ray Peat (from Ray Peat Interviews Revisited | Vision and Acceptance )

I think Ray is possibly a lot more interested in politics than nutrition

good quote mate

what do you think Peats views are
classically liberal?
it seems like he doesnt like democrats or republicans, but he seems to have a bigger issue currently with the left than the right
i think someone asked him who aligns most with politically or something like that and he said Noam Chomsky or Ralph Nader?
i think he likes both those guys?

 

[Serge]

Noam Chomsky

I hope he is still pedaling to warm up his apartment.

 

[LUH 3417]

good quote mate

what do you think Peats views are
classically liberal?
it seems like he doesnt like democrats or republicans, but he seems to have a bigger issue currently with the left than the right
i think someone asked him who aligns most with politically or something like that and he said Noam Chomsky or Ralph Nader?
i think he likes both those guys?

Ray has spoken about Chomsky being the fake left POS that he is in a number of interviews. Chomsky said a while back how climate change would excuse fascism and he’s been supporting detaining unvaccinated people in camps.

Ray also wrote about chimpsky unfavorably in his essay on academic authoritarians, says the deterministic linguistic theories are bogus.

 

[Dr. B]

Ray has spoken about Chomsky being the fake left POS that he is in a number of interviews. Chomsky said a while back how climate change would excuse fascism and he’s been supporting detaining unvaccinated people in camps.

Ray also wrote about chimpsky unfavorably in his essay on academic authoritarians, says the deterministic linguistic theories are bogus.

Ah okay. for some reason I thought Peat said he would align most with Nader or Chomsky in one of the danny roddy interviews or other youtube podcast.

 

[LUH 3417]

Ah okay. for some reason I thought Peat said he would align most with Nader or Chomsky in one of the danny roddy interviews or other youtube podcast.

i find that very hard to believe. I asked ray about Chomsky directly through email some years ago and he wrote to me:

In quoting Bob Altemeyer, I didn’t mean to indicate that I think Chomsky is an authoritarian leftist, in Altemeyer’s sense. He has called himself an anarcho-syndicalist, and opposed authoritarian socialism, while working for the Pentagon; I see that as analogous to Trotsky’s (and trotskyists') super-revolutionary cooperation with the FBI and fascists. My comparison of his views to Konrad Lorenz’s was to indicate that I see his fundamental beliefs as an authoritarianism of a deeper and worse sort, something not at all leftist in a meaningful way. His theory of mind and language has done more harm than his writings on imperialism have done good.

 

[yerrag]

It occured to me that talking politics and being generally interested in the matter virtually destroys the whole point of preserving bioenergy, heh. Unless you have a very fortunate inborn superstable set of mind but then you probably not need Ray Peat.
At least with me, opening politics related sites never brings anything positive. Positive may come as some stupid transient illusion, but it always ends up in cortisol and adrenaline.

I think that the less we talk about politics, the more we let important issues slip away from national discourse, and we'll be happy blissfully ignorant.

The people receiving jabs now are just as blissfully ignorant. And getting jabs is more stressful than being stressed out by awareness.

 

[Dr. B]

i find that very hard to believe. I asked ray about Chomsky directly through email some years ago and he wrote to me:

In quoting Bob Altemeyer, I didn’t mean to indicate that I think Chomsky is an authoritarian leftist, in Altemeyer’s sense. He has called himself an anarcho-syndicalist, and opposed authoritarian socialism, while working for the Pentagon; I see that as analogous to Trotsky’s (and trotskyists') super-revolutionary cooperation with the FBI and fascists. My comparison of his views to Konrad Lorenz’s was to indicate that I see his fundamental beliefs as an authoritarianism of a deeper and worse sort, something not at all leftist in a meaningful way. His theory of mind and language has done more harm than his writings on imperialism have done good.

whats his thoughts on Nader? i think the question asked literally was something like who would you say you align most with politically

 

[Serge]

A question - is boienergetics good while being a totaal idiot?

 

[yerrag]

A question - is boienergetics good while being a totaal idiot?

That is an oxymoron. How can having surplus energy from good bioenergetics make one an idiot? It can't prevent one from making an ***hole of himself though.

 

[Serge]

That is an oxymoron. How can having surplus energy from good bioenergetics make one an idiot? It can't prevent one from making an ***hole of himself though.

Later
I am too tired drinking alcohol. But yes I insist - talking much these days is idiocy. You can not be normal discussing clowns or taking them serously.

 

[yerrag]

Later
I am too tired drinking alcohol. But yes I insist - talking much these days is idiocy. You can not be normal discussing clowns or taking them serously.

That is true. When it's useless to spend time discussing things that won't ever change, I'm fine with spending the time elsewhere. Like on improving my own health, which everyone in this forum knows is time-consuming enough.

 

[opethfeldt]

If talking about politics and being involved with it gives you a stress response then no, I'd say it's not in line with the basic Ray Peat tenet of avoiding unnecessary stressors. That said, I don't think one should keep themselves in a stress-free "bubble" and ignore what is going on in the world for the sake of health. I think it's just important not to get too emotionally attached to your views. Openness and seeing both sides faults and virtues seems more in line with how Peat and really any metabolically healthy person would view politics.

 

[yerrag]

People have to determine their own sense of balance. If you feel spending say 80% of your time discussing politics and 20% researching and discussing health matters relevant to you is the balance that helps you heal - then go for it. It's your life, and your health. You alone are responsible for your choices. Just don't go about telling everyone your sense of balance is the be all.

As for me, I can get sidetracked by all the politics so just have to remind myself to step back from it and go back to the real reason I joined this forum.