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High Fat Eater Makes Me Laugh, Petro Dobromylskyj

Discussion in 'Breaking News' started by Westside PUFAs, Aug 30, 2015.

  1. Westside PUFAs

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    This is what he eats:

    "OK, what do I eat? It's been a long time since I posted anything about myself. Another hastily written post during Hazel's nap.

    Breakfast is always the same. I melt about 100g of butter in a frying pan. I crack 11 eggs yolks in to this (I fry the whites later for the chickens!) and fry them until they hold their shape. I then pour 8 yolks for myself and Hazel, with all of the free butter, in to a bowl and mash them with a fork before stirring the mix in to an "egg soup". Hazel has a dollop, I have the rest. We like it quite solid. I finish any Hazel doesn't want, hopefully I get six yolks worth. Daniel likes his yolks just fried, he has the other three.

    If I feel like it, I have a creamy cocoa, ie about 4g cocoa powder, 2ml honey, maybe somewhere between 30 and 60ml double cream. Usually a decaff coffee too. Sometimes with caffeine, though I tend to prefer my caffeine in the evenings.

    Lunch on work days is portable stearic acid as 100g of Lindt 90% cocoa solids chocolate. Sometimes with 100g macadamias, sometimes not. Occasionally 300ml of soured cream along side some chocolate.

    Supper is a meal. It varies a lot. If you scroll down the index to the set of posts starting with "Food" you get the idea of the sort of things I eat for a main meal. I have been known to eat green leaves with supper. I have been known to eat parsnip chips. I have been known to have gluten free home made cake for desert under a centimetre of butter or drowned in soured cream. If fat has been a little low with supper I might make ice cream with just a little added sugar. Or rhubarb baked in cream and flavoured with cinnamon. Or another creamy cocoa."

    http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/ ... pdate.html

    A daily diet of 100 grams of butter and 11 eggs yolks? Everyday?

    He then says:

    "I weigh myself about once a year. My jeans are 28" waist, depending where I buy them."

    But there is only one photo of him which is weird for a blog that is 10 years old:

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    I'd love to see that lean waist.

    He also believes in sugar addiction: http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/ ... ctive.html
     
  2. ballomar

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    I gagged reading that.
     
  3. pboy

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    lol that's like...

    I mean its not that bad in the sense..its not foul or gross like people eating a ton of meat with garlic and onions and stuff, but tis gross in the sense of just a ton of heavy grease...I dunno how he doesn't feel like ***t eating that way

    its not terrible metabolically speaking in the sense of certain ratios, but its terrible in the sense that his body must be under a ton of stress all the time...I bet the protein he does get from the yolks and nuts, a lot of it, is being turned into sugar...his liver is probably always under stress sweeping up any bit of glycerol it can from the fat to make sugar for the brain. He probably smells like nail polish remover all the time from ketones and feels slightly sedated drunk

    think about how odd that is...though...to believe carbs are toxic...somehow the ideal thing for humans is a ton of fat, even tho never before or with any other animal is high fat like that available year round...he must think its the next step in human optimization. That's just gross as **** tho man...100g of butter with 11 egg yolks? dunno how he doesn't feel like the runs are about to happen after he eats that

    ...him and Edward would probably make good friends
     
  4. Mountain

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    Yes, Peter has a rubbish diet. I mean, even without many carbs you can eat high fat more interesting and satisfying than he does. I've read many of his articles and he wrote a couple about satiation and "real food" (read: charred meat) but his day-to-day isn't exactly an appetizing advertisement for that VLC eating.

    That being said I actually gave low-carb a go after reading Edward's blog and Peters blog. At the time I was convinced that this was the way to go. If anyone has read Peter's blog here they will know that it is easy to get bamboozled reading some of his articles about different biochemical mechanisms completely disengaged from the context of a human body. I guess that's what drew me in, he just made so much (or so little) sense.

    Long story short, my eyesight started to deteriorate in my left eye and my short-term memory became quite bad. As an example, I was walking through a hallway in my house and decided to go outside to grab a jar where I keep them. I walked probably 5 seconds to the door and after I was outside I had completely forgotten why I was out there. You know something's wrong when you have to really concentrate on remembering what happened in the last 10 seconds. Anyways, that was the tipping point for me and I decided to stop the three month journey there. All issues resolved.

    As an aside: It never made sense to me why Edward or other LC advocates (some still here obviously) came to a website to extol the virtues of their diet when many people here got in their bad state of health from following an LC diet.
     
  5. cantstoppeating

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    For someone who claims to be a child of Peatism, you should ask yourself:

    Would Peat spend time actively mocking people's dietary choices? Is my behaviour Peat-approved?

    This is disappointing and very authoritarian-like. As a member of the Peat Police you should conduct yourself better.
     
  6. nikotrope

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    @pboy: Edward is referring to Peter a lot.

    Are you back to a peatish diet then? Or what do you currently eat?

    Most people following a LC diet are following Paleo people so lots of PUFA and lightly cooked veggies. Not the same thing as eating mainly saturated fat. I am not saying eating 100g butter with 11 egg yolks is healthy, but it still probably is better than pancakes made with almond butter.

    There are also a few people here eating high carb and not feeling well from it (if you switched from peat to low carb, maybe you're one of them).
     
  7. Mountain

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    Before eating like Peat I just had a regular diet. Then I decided to go from Peat to a low-carb diet which didn't work out. Now I'm back to eating like Peat. Mostly the Danny Roddy interpretation.

    To clarify when I switched to low-carb it was a mixture of how Edward eats and how Peter from Hyperlipid eats.
     
  8. Such_Saturation

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    Listen to these egomaniacs :ss
     
  9. montmorency

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    I keep seeing this assumption, and I've never seen it properly explained. Also the same assumption about LC in general.
    I did my own version of LC, but I never called what I did "Paleo", nor had any interest in following that cult, mainly because I didn't think we had any real evidence about what Paleolithic people really ate. I discovered (initially from Barry Groves who was a UK LC guro) that PUFAs were evil, so I avoided them like the plague (was never all that into them anyway). Gary Taubes also wrote that they were dangerous (I was quite influenced by his "Good Calories, Bad Calories" - seemed pretty sound on the science). I ate mostly
    beef
    lamb
    coconut and/or butter
    some fruit
    occasional veg

    I even did bone broth (possibly WAPF influence).

    I even did eggshells sometimes. (This was all before discovering Ray Peat).

    I lost weight (slowly) and felt very good on this. It never made me feel ill, and I don't believe it made me ill. I had a very full blood test after 2-3 years on this, and my blood lipids were very good.

    I didn't move on to Peat because I felt bad on LC, but because I was always curious to see if I could be doing anything better. And his stuff was pretty fascinating.
    No PUFAs - check
    Ruminant meat only - check
    CNO & butter - check
    fruit - ok, I now eat much more fruit.
    vegetables - take them or leave them. Not that different to Peat.
    bone broth and eggshells - check.
    zero to tiny bit of olive oil - check
    no fish oils / omega 3s - check

    So I'm not doing all that much different now than on LC except a lot more fruit and a bit of honey. I avoid other refined sugar.

    Now I think it's true that a lot of people who used to follow the Atkins diet used to deliberately make up their fat calories by adding mayonaisse. This never appealed to me. I could get all the fat I wanted from ruminant meat, butter and coconut oil. And looking at the commercial mayos, I could see that they were made with anonymous vegetable oil which to me was an obvious no no. True you could make your own at home with olive oil, but it's a faff and not worth the effort. So I never did that either. However, I did notice people talking about their "mayo" when I used to read LC forums. But I never used it, and I doubt if all low-carbers did.

    Now it's also true that my fat intake was higher than ideal from a Peat perspective, and that even ruminants have a small amount of PUFA in their body fat. However, I'm pretty sure I've heard Ray say that the large mount of saturated/monuunsaturated fat in such animals can protect the small amount of PUFAs, at least to an extent, from oxidising. And similarly, the digestive process in ruminants can detoxify, to an extent, PUFAs in the animals own diet.

    Please note: I'm not making the case here in favour of LC diets; I am simply questioning the assumption that LC diets are inherently high in PUFAs.

    In my LC days I used to read Petro, among others, and I thought he was a pretty smart guy. I didn't eat much like him though, and I doubt if I'd care to. Not even sure if he's all that low-carb actually - well I seem to remember him allowing hi-carb "treats" from time to time.

    Forgot to say that one benefit from my LC days was totally giving up grains. Apart from some small lapses occasionally, or sometimes having to eat them out of politeness, that abstention is something I have retained to this day.

    Edit: Forgot to add that as some people don't seem to do well on LC, and some people don't seem to do well Peating, perhaps there is after all something in Mercola's ideas about "eating right for your type". I actually always thought that should be something Ray should investigate, or write about if he has already investigated it.
     
  10. Tarmander

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    I have read some of Peter's stuff. When he talks about wanting FFA high in his blood stream to encourage uncoupling...well...that is some freaky ***t right there.
     
  11. XPlus

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    A Joseph Ducreux's reporduce with thyself meme is highly recommended right there.
     
  12. Such_Saturation

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    You just have to go to Paleo blogs to see their recipes with almond butter and other PUFA foods. When I read my first books about Paleo they had nothing against PUFA. They were simply saying that o6 is fine as long as you supplemented with o3. It changed though, more gurus have been against PUFA over the years.
     
  14. CoolTweetPete

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    I was just as bad preaching about the wonders of Bulletproof Coffee.

    I mean I still drink it cause it's delicious, but I load it up with sugar and gelatin. :ninja
     
  15. mujuro

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    Maybe it's like socialism: "socialism isn't bad, it's just that no one in history has done it the right way!"
     
  16. CoolTweetPete

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    There are Christian Missionaries in HIV ridden Africa, who discourage the use of condoms as a sin. :?
     
  17. mujuro

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    What does one have to do with the other?
     
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    People will purport their ideologies regardless of the circumstances.
     
  19. extremecheddar

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    I read this post from him in his comment section:

    "Larcana, my blood glucose excursions over the day are minimal. If I crack 6mmol/l even after a starch containing high fat meal that is unusual. But 75g of glucose in an OGTT will give me 14mmol/l for two hours before it drops. If I get a decent walk in the afternoon I’ll run at 3.3mmol/l. Spending an hour cutting my grass gave 2.7mmol/l last week. BTW there is a sweet potato with a very dark skin and pale flesh. Tastes of sweet potato spiked with chestnuts, yummee, for tonight with belly pork carnitas!"

    So according to him his blood glucose can be as high as 252 mg/dl after just 75g glucose and as low as 48.6 mg/dl from just pushing a lawn mower around.

    I know he would probably say that is normal because he runs on fat and is insulin resistant on purpose, but man I think ill pass.
     
  20. jyb

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    Yes but that's for his OGTT experiment. I think his aim is to minimise glucose excursions to extreme ranges (hypo and hyper) *on average* and this might be key to minimise hba1c. Obviously if you suddenly increase your carb intake like his did in his OGTT experiment (he took 75g for a single meal instead of spread throughout the day), initially your insulin resistance was lower so your blood glucose will be higher post-meal. But his point is to minimise such excursions on average over a day. It is a bit like if you ate only carbs and suddenly stopped. You might initially also go into scary hypoglycaemia, but that doesn't mean you were previously in hypoglycaemia while eating carbs.
     
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