Finally Cured From Post Finasteride Syndrome

[TheBeard]

The primal diet is essentially ketogenic correct? What do you think of Ray's view as glycogenesis being superior to ketosis?

In the Primal diet you have raw milk and raw honey.
You should hardly ever be in ketosis.

It's not the Paleo diet, which is retarded.

 

[TheBeard]

Some of you guys know solvepfs.com? Sadly the site is gone and with it a lot of valuable information but luckily someone found all (or most) of the recoveries there and made a list before it was gone.

Here it is:

-JN- =Proviron (DHT), felt that was not curing the cause -> Breakthrough with T3 and Adrenal supplements -> Feels that Cop-Zinc-ratio, anti-candida/parasite is the real cause

Austinite007 =Natural recovery

Cliffs =Took DIM, tribulus, and a topical DHT -> 6-8 weeks later his puffy nipples went away and libido was pretty much back. -> 6-8 weeks later he stopped DIM (doesn’t say if he stopped Trib and DHT gel) and 2 months later he felt like pre-fin days

Danielmotion01 =Lots of symptons -> diagnosed high RT3 and low T3 -> T3 treatment, everything recovered

[Some spanish guy cepo mentioned] =Positive attitude & weightlifting 3 years straight.

finhelp47 = cycling Vit E 200/400mg, 2-6 fish oil capsules, seldomly multivitamin which had ginseng 40mg which boosted libido

fuckfin =Synthroid (T4, thyroid medicine), Viagra, sex ja mastubation to recovery

GN9904 =Ciproxin (antibiotic) helped but otherwise natural recovery; believes that masturbation was critical

HopingForMore =2-3 High doses Tribulus Extract/day, 5 days a week

istherehope =Healthy lifestyle, herbal supplements, DIM for 3 months, gym 5/w (weight, some cardio, protein shakes and rich diet, maca, vitamin complex, hgweed, tribulus with l-arginine, something else… lots of broccoli and green tean, zinc, vitamin d. ! Cycled herbs on and off 6-8 months. Felt tribulus and arginine was important, DIM+Trib caused pain to prostate especially if he took alcohol the night before. pains ended once he quit the supplements (when he recovered).

John Coleman = Diagnosed adrenal fatigue with Dr.Wilson’s book (not Lawrence Wilson). Made natural recovery with good sleep, stop taking supplements, stopped negative obsessive thoughts and focused on positivity, ate lot of veggies. Confirmed recovery from adrenal fatigue with pupil dilation - testwhen he recovered.

Jon Doe = Natural recovery. Only slept more than usual due to depression and took way less sugar since he read about leaky gut. His full-blown gynecomastia removed with his recovery as well!

[Jon Doe’s topic: Guillermo Alvarez] =John Doe’s friend recovered naturally in 2 years.

Matis =Natural recovery. Stopped all substances (alcohol included) for the duration of recovery.

MikeS1025 =Natural recovery. Quit couple of supplements, did Kegels, kept taking Vit D and Centrum Multi-V, commented that erections lasted longer thru sex rather than masturbating. In the end, started eating healthy and gym 3-4/w.

MrMojo=Acupuncture (endocrine soft reset) -> 14 months Test cypionate and Sonoma Diet, symptons improved when he fixed Vit D and DHEA. Also mentioned doing hypothyroid treatments per Dr. Wilson (Not Lawrence Wilson) specifically.

multispeed27 =3 times a day Avena Sativa (“Controlled Labs, Blue Up, Natural Test Booster”) + Tamofixen

No5= Natural recovery. Felt summer in Greek sped up recovery (sun, no stress, sea?). Aerobic, good diet, positive mindset.

patientb =Vitamin B6 100 mg every day for 5 months + Quick Burst workouts -> Then symptons improved once he added Kal High Potency soft multiple – multivitamin & 30 minutes of swimming laps every day.

reason =Natural recovery. Diagnized adrenal fatigue -> Good diet, full sleep and resting for whole weekend. Felt cold water swimming helped him.

StartingOver = Natural recovery. Propecia caused freezing winters (hypothyroidism). Recovery phases overlapped with jetlag and flying. Gym, avoided bread, tried veganism. Eventually admitted that probably hard sessions in volleyball and red meat started his recovery.

Trickster = Doc trazodone (spelling? It’s a hormone), bodybuilding, Hcg and good mentality.

tryingnottoworry = Eat organich baby spinach 140g/d for 14 days for substance called dolichol, recovered quickly. (same for mariovitali in 2nd post)

yoyo = Natural recovery. A little viagra, body building, macca yohimbe went a long way. Also focused on stress and reducing stress and sadness.

propeciAUS = 10d water fast->bone broths, soups->GAPS->Paleo with cheat days. “Interestingly I got my best results when I stopped supplementing with vitamins etc and the only thing I took was a daily probiotic and digestive enzymes with each of the main meals. Oh sorry, I also took cod liver oil and flaxseed oil each morning. One thing I noticed was that the skin condition (doctor said it was psoriasis) that appeared just after my crash has now completely gone." Someone else did the same route as propecciAUS though and did not recover.

cdnuts = Many months of Raw diet plus several shorter fasts -> 2w water fast -> Paleo with carb back loading (no gluten or any kind of stimulants, stay well hydrated); meditation, Mindfulness, positivity etc; 3/w heavy weights and 1-2/w HIIT (eg springs); Cycling several testosterone boosters; Androhard 6w PCT 30d; B-complex, Magnesium complex, fish oils, Vitamin D 5000 iu;

Toadstool (?) = 1,5 months grassfeed Bone Broth, veggies, seasalt, probiotics -> slowlty to Paleo and lots of kefir + 100 bil probiotics. Big improvement when removed gluten and grains. I’m unsure if he is still recovered, apologies if I’m wrong.

Dynaaminen = Positivity, Testogel, L-tyrosine (brainfog), Gym 3-4/w with foottraining for libido, no excess sex, Minerals B-vitamins Sauerkraut, superfoods, enzymes… “Went overboard with supplements”. Breakthrought with chinese herbs (eg. Ron Teeguarden’s Dragon Jing), suggested Ron Teeguarden book “The Ancient Wisdom of the Chinese Tonic Herbs”. Felt that earthing had positive impact on symptons.

solonjk = Bad adrenal fatigue, 2 years in bed. Recovered for most part with a long, constant prostate Manila – technique treatment coupled with antibiotics. (See: Kos island treatments). Personally do not recommend antibiotics at any cost. fwiw: Dr Lawrence Wilson’s adrenal supplement made his adrenal symptons worse.

cgj1 = T3+T4+pregnelone until his metabolism sped up, then small amounts of Clomid.

japanther = Mainly had brainfog for PFS: fixed it only with Raw Diet.

bizzy (japanther-topic) = Natural recovery. Believes that faith cured him.

FJ929 = Mainly had brainfog for PFS: fixed it with 5-HTP.

[italian PFS sufferer] = Recovered with 28d water fast (“14 day water fast - my improvements”, pg.7)

Claro = Recovered mostly with long water fasts, still gut/candida issues due to use of antibiotics.

light at the end = Recovery with Deprenly and Progesterone.

beekay = Progesterone 5mg, pregnelone 50mg, lots of supplements, pos. attitude = 80% -> clomid ja nolva -> 100%

letsconvenience = Recovered with Dr. Lawrence Wilson protocol/supplements.

“Lawrence#2” = Very strictly daily enemas with (coffee?) enemas

“Lawrence#3” = Dr. Lawrence Wilson supplements + 1/month liver flushes with enemas -> libido back with Peat-diet

Special mentions:

Chi = Same protocol as cdnuts, recovered in 2014

mariovitali = Recovered in 2015. Many different protocols -> Methylation, felt something was missing -> NOS-protocol (Rucola/Rocket-salad) -> Realized it was Dolichol (spinach) plus certain supplements that recovered him, instead of NOS. Suffered PFS for 10 years.

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2014 AND ONWARD & SPECIAL CASES

This is more work-in-progress, I haven’t bothered editing this as much.

IHP = 10d Water fast -> Diet, Antifungals Med ja Suppl… tl;dr: recovered ny focusing entirely on candida and leaky gut protocols. Came back at 2014 as he’s regressed a bit? JQD or someone can fill up on that. Posts now in PH, or at least used to until Theories section got closed.

??? (IHP topic) = Chinese herbs recovered 70% sexuality -> “damp coldness/heat” acupuncture recovered to 80% (“common for women in Asia who take birth control pills”)

FranzFan = Recovered i think? I can’t remember the details.

corroivp = Recovered TWICE, crashed again/ third time due to acid reflux and allergies.

joetz = Recovered for a long time with stem cell therapy, then slowly after months he regressed back to PFS. Interestingly had detox symptons at the beginning of SCT. Treatment has risks, stem cells must be made from specific fat from specific place of the body.

keepthefaith (?) = following mlevyholden and Chi, fixed diet and started hitting gym actively (specifically compact movements but cardio as well). 80% recovery, feels that prostatis last symptom to beat as it aches.

Great find !

Sounds to me like in most cases people were having gut / metabolic issues and solved them through numerous ways.
They just so happened to have taken Finasteride concomitently, but Finasteride was hardly the cause of their problems.
Mostly a coincidence.

 

[Mister]

Great find !

Sounds to me like in most cases people were having gut / metabolic issues and solved them through numerous ways.
They just so happened to have taken Finasteride concomitently, but Finasteride was hardly the cause of their problems.
Mostly a coincidence.

Doubt that though, almost everyone had the typical sexual side effects you get from fina and most had brainfog too. Although it's true that most with PFS get better with time (unless you have it for more than 1 year, then it's probably chronic and action is required like doing HCG, clomid,.. imo)

 

[TheBeard]

Doubt that though, almost everyone had the typical sexual side effects you get from fina and most had brainfog too. Although it's true that most with PFS get better with time (unless you have it for more than 1 year, then it's probably chronic and action is required like doing HCG, clomid,.. imo)

Sexual dysfunction and brain fog are typical symptoms of candida, SIBO or parasites.

 

[Mister]

Sexual dysfunction and brain fog are typical symptoms of candida, SIBO or parasites.

Sure but these people here all took finasteride and were perfectly healthy before taking finasteride. The symptoms only started when taking finasteride, you know a strong AA that blocks 70%+ of the most potent androgen.

Lol, it's not parasites or candida,.... Wish you were right though, would be an easier fix..

 

[Enzote2]

Great find !

Sounds to me like in most cases people were having gut / metabolic issues and solved them through numerous ways.
They just so happened to have taken Finasteride concomitently, but Finasteride was hardly the cause of their problems.
Mostly a coincidence.

What a bs ?

 

[Ideal man]

Has anyone tried boron,Lj100 or high dose vitamin A ?

 

[TheBeard]

What a bs ?

I would love to hear a complete elaborated rebutal from your side.

 

[TheBeard]

Sure but these people here all took finasteride and were perfectly healthy before taking finasteride. The symptoms only started when taking finasteride, you know a strong AA that blocks 70%+ of the most potent androgen.

Lol, it's not parasites or candida,.... Wish you were right though, would be an easier fix..

There are tons of other things I was doing as well when my gut issues started.
For example, I took a hepatitis vaccine shot around that time too in 2015.

Guess what: I'm sure I can find at least 5 forums who talk about how hepatitis vaccines cause sexual dysfunction and brain fog, and a hundred users on these forums who connect those symptoms to the vaccine.

Does it have to be the vaccine then?

 

[Mister]

There are tons of other things I was doing as well when my gut issues started.
For example, I took a hepatitis vaccine shot around that time too in 2015.

Guess what: I'm sure I can find at least 5 forums who talk about how hepatitis vaccines cause sexual dysfunction and brain fog, and a hundred users on these forums who connect those symptoms to the vaccine.

Does it have to be the vaccine then?

Come on now, this is a silly debate, if you want to believe PFS is caused by parasites then that's your opinion. So far all the evidence points that finasteride is the cause (who would've guessed)

I would love to hear a complete elaborated rebutal from your side.

There is nothing to rebutal since your theory is extremely weak, it's almost laughable.

 

[TheBeard]

Come on now, this is a silly debate, if you want to believe PFS is caused by parasites then that's your opinion. So far all the evidence points that finasteride is the cause (who would've guessed)


There is nothing to rebutal since your theory is extremely weak, it's almost laughable.

I can understand how easy it is to have a well defined culprit for a defined issue. It makes life easier, you know what to attack.
But sometimes we need to reconsider what we think we know and explore other avenues.

There is so little success in curing "PFS", that I doubt people are attacking it from the right angle.

 

[Kirby_]

Don't know if I'm allowed to post this there, but I am now in a similar situation as OP, only difference is that I took accutane instead of finasteride 1.5 year ago for 4 months.
During this course I encountered some sexual side effects like low/no libido and erectile dysfunction, but I was told this would go away once done with the treatment. Unfortunately, these side effects have not subsided and I even got some gyno symptoms and loss of testicular fullness afterwards. Mentally, this is really hard situation to be in, but I'm really focused on making sure I will recover. I tried various supplements and diets and although some supps definitely help to some extent, it does not 100% relieve my symptoms. I also do weightlifting 4x a week, and also tried cialis etc.

Recently I did some blood tests and found out that especially my estrogen is way too high and my DHT is too low. However, I could still need some advice regarding the interpretation of my lab results below, as my doctors are not so supportive (they tend to deny the fact that accutane is the cause of my issues)



TSH 1.9 mU/L (Ref. 0.40-4.0)

Free T4 15.4 pmol/L (Ref 10.0-22.0)

LH 3.39 IU/L (Ref. 1.20-7.80)

FSH 4.86 IU/L (Ref. 1.40-15.4)

Estradiol 210 pmol/L (Ref. 37-184)

Testosteron 15 nmol/L (Ref. 8.4-29)

SHBG 22.2 nmol/L (Ref. 6.0-85.0)

Free Testosteron 0.393 nmol/L

Bioavailable testosteron 8.8 nmol/L

DHEA-sulfate 11.1 umol/L (Ref. 3.4-16.7)

DHT 0.73 nmol/L (Ref. 0.91-3.19)

Prolactin 242 mU/L (Ref. 11-424)

Progesteron 2.34 nmol/L (Ref. 0.00 - 6.26)


So what my plan is based on these results is to try low dose HCG and Proviron for a couple of months to see if I can boost my body in balancing my hormones again. With HCG I hope to stimulate my gonads to produce more testosterone. With proviron I want to stimulate my body and androgen receptors to convert the testosterone to DHT instead of Estrogen, which I feel is now happening a lot.


Of course, the one thing I want to avoid is to become dependent on hormonal drugs / steroids, so I'm curious to hear your opinions and suggestions!

 

[Mister]

Don't know if I'm allowed to post this there, but I am now in a similar situation as OP, only difference is that I took accutane instead of finasteride 1.5 year ago for 4 months.
During this course I encountered some sexual side effects like low/no libido and erectile dysfunction, but I was told this would go away once done with the treatment. Unfortunately, these side effects have not subsided and I even got some gyno symptoms and loss of testicular fullness afterwards. Mentally, this is really hard situation to be in, but I'm really focused on making sure I will recover. I tried various supplements and diets and although some supps definitely help to some extent, it does not 100% relieve my symptoms. I also do weightlifting 4x a week, and also tried cialis etc.

Recently I did some blood tests and found out that especially my estrogen is way too high and my DHT is too low. However, I could still need some advice regarding the interpretation of my lab results below, as my doctors are not so supportive (they tend to deny the fact that accutane is the cause of my issues)



TSH 1.9 mU/L (Ref. 0.40-4.0)

Free T4 15.4 pmol/L (Ref 10.0-22.0)

LH 3.39 IU/L (Ref. 1.20-7.80)

FSH 4.86 IU/L (Ref. 1.40-15.4)

Estradiol 210 pmol/L (Ref. 37-184)

Testosteron 15 nmol/L (Ref. 8.4-29)

SHBG 22.2 nmol/L (Ref. 6.0-85.0)

Free Testosteron 0.393 nmol/L

Bioavailable testosteron 8.8 nmol/L

DHEA-sulfate 11.1 umol/L (Ref. 3.4-16.7)

DHT 0.73 nmol/L (Ref. 0.91-3.19)

Prolactin 242 mU/L (Ref. 11-424)

Progesteron 2.34 nmol/L (Ref. 0.00 - 6.26)


So what my plan is based on these results is to try low dose HCG and Proviron for a couple of months to see if I can boost my body in balancing my hormones again. With HCG I hope to stimulate my gonads to produce more testosterone. With proviron I want to stimulate my body and androgen receptors to convert the testosterone to DHT instead of Estrogen, which I feel is now happening a lot.


Of course, the one thing I want to avoid is to become dependent on hormonal drugs / steroids, so I'm curious to hear your opinions and suggestions!

Just do a cycle of 4-8 weeks (+ maybe consider pct) and see how you feel. But I think people at t-nation can help you better in your case.

 

[TheBeard]

Just do a cycle of 4-8 weeks (+ maybe consider pct) and see how you feel. But I think people at t-nation can help you better in your case.

T-nation members are quite un-knowledgeable endocrinologically-speaking compared to worthy members here.

 

[Mister]

T-nation members are quite un-knowledgeable endocrinologically-speaking compared to worthy members here.

Then quote some members here who can help.

 

[TheBeard]

Then quote some members here who can help.

@haidut @Hans @TheBeard

 

[Nomane Euger]

@haidut @Hans @TheBeard

lol epic self quote

 

[Coltcool]

Hey everyone, I haven’t checked in for a while, thought I’d give an update... not good news. So I started to recover in may for like 3 weeks and was feeling better with of course some down days, but all around was feeling much improved and on the road to recovery. I had an mri scheduled for the 19th and I thought I should keep the appointment and go in case all of this caused some sort of brain damage considering my symptoms. The morning of I felt fine, like 90% back to normal, I went and they did it and injected me with contrast. I didn’t know about the contrast. Starting that night I got a minor headache that lasted for about a week and wasn’t that bad. But starting like 1-2 weeks ago I absolutely crashed again with worse symptoms than before. Depression and anxiety were insane, insomnia, heart palpitations, absolutely searing headaches 24/7, burning skin, mind racing, etc. well it turns out that the mri contrast poisoned me... there’s no cure and I’m so scared ? I definitely had adrenal deficiency which was basically PFS started to recover adrenals started to repair, but they weren’t 100% yet. And if you have adrenal deficiency and get mri contrast there’s a risk of poisoning... no one told me I had adrenal deficiency and no one told about the contrast and no one told me it wasn’t safe, they all said the opposite when I asked. I’m ready to call it quits guys.

 

[Vicecaz]

1 week update on HCG + Proviron.

First days I could see that Proviron was doing something as I got a few pimples in my forehead, something that never occurred since PAS (except for the little window recovery in February with HCG). Nothing worth discussing in the sexual+energy sphere.

One crazy thing with this condition that I noticed right away with Proviron: My hair looks healthier.

I can see a little thinning (probably 5-10% of miniaturization of hair with Proviron, bearing in mind this is expected as Proviron is one of the harshest steroids when it comes to hair loss, and that I'm only 1 week in ) but my body, hair included have been lacking DHT for so long topically that my scalp is just smooth now, and not terribly dry as usual. My scalp just feels like it did when I was a teen, when I was "healthy".

Something that is also interesting: I developed Seborrheic dermatitis a few months into PAS. It is reduced by 90% with Proviron. I don't have these white flakes that I normally do (hair, beard)

Now for the last two days, I've been increasing the dosage to 50-75mg, and I feel like total crap. Yesterday I had a normal 8/9 hours of sleep and did not have energy the entire day. I even had to nap for 2 hours during the afternoon.

This reminds me of "pal" on propeciahelp that used proviron for 200mg for 2 months and attributed his recovery a few weeks after to this treatment. He felt terrible during the treatment.

I'll probably finish my tablet and re-evaluate.

My humble conclusion from this trial and the 4/5 days partial recovery I had with HCG a few months ago is that there is a severe lack of action of neurosteroids/DHT all throughout my body.
I know a lot of people recovered "in waves". In my case, it's always back to square one as I never seem to retain improvements.

It's more like a "switch" has to be turned on (and has been turned off). Given that I have 2/3 years of cdnuts protocol behind me with no major, permanent improvements, I'm tempted to say that I'm a difficult case.

 

[TheBeard]

Hey everyone, I haven’t checked in for a while, thought I’d give an update... not good news. So I started to recover in may for like 3 weeks and was feeling better with of course some down days, but all around was feeling much improved and on the road to recovery. I had an mri scheduled for the 19th and I thought I should keep the appointment and go in case all of this caused some sort of brain damage considering my symptoms. The morning of I felt fine, like 90% back to normal, I went and they did it and injected me with contrast. I didn’t know about the contrast. Starting that night I got a minor headache that lasted for about a week and wasn’t that bad. But starting like 1-2 weeks ago I absolutely crashed again with worse symptoms than before. Depression and anxiety were insane, insomnia, heart palpitations, absolutely searing headaches 24/7, burning skin, mind racing, etc. well it turns out that the mri contrast poisoned me... there’s no cure and I’m so scared ? I definitely had adrenal deficiency which was basically PFS started to recover adrenals started to repair, but they weren’t 100% yet. And if you have adrenal deficiency and get mri contrast there’s a risk of poisoning... no one told me I had adrenal deficiency and no one told about the contrast and no one told me it wasn’t safe, they all said the opposite when I asked. I’m ready to call it quits guys.

Yes, it's a known fact that contrast liquid is poison, never let anyone inject you with that.
There is a cure though: fasting for a few days at a time and raw milk.