Finally Cured From Post Finasteride Syndrome

[Kirby_]

I did 250IU HCG every other day as outlined by Joekool in the OP for 4 months.

Now I think I'm a little bit more open to playing with the frequency of injection. But yeah, until now it's been three times a week for HCG and daily for Proviron (started last week)

Sounds good man! Thanks for the quick replies and hope you will improve this way! :)

 

[Spud]

Hey everyone, I haven’t checked in for a while, thought I’d give an update... not good news. So I started to recover in may for like 3 weeks and was feeling better with of course some down days, but all around was feeling much improved and on the road to recovery. I had an mri scheduled for the 19th and I thought I should keep the appointment and go in case all of this caused some sort of brain damage considering my symptoms. The morning of I felt fine, like 90% back to normal, I went and they did it and injected me with contrast. I didn’t know about the contrast. Starting that night I got a minor headache that lasted for about a week and wasn’t that bad. But starting like 1-2 weeks ago I absolutely crashed again with worse symptoms than before. Depression and anxiety were insane, insomnia, heart palpitations, absolutely searing headaches 24/7, burning skin, mind racing, etc. well it turns out that the mri contrast poisoned me... there’s no cure and I’m so scared ? I definitely had adrenal deficiency which was basically PFS started to recover adrenals started to repair, but they weren’t 100% yet. And if you have adrenal deficiency and get mri contrast there’s a risk of poisoning... no one told me I had adrenal deficiency and no one told about the contrast and no one told me it wasn’t safe, they all said the opposite when I asked. I’m ready to call it quits guys.

Look into chelators dude. There usually something for every metal out there.

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[Mister]

Check this, a recent powerpoint of PFS by a doctor:

Post Finasteride Syndrome

Introduction-Dihydrotestosterone Generated through testosterone conversion via the enzyme 5 alpha-reductase, dihydrotestosterone (DHT) stimulates male characteristics. Implicated in the development of male genitalia, the penis, testes, scrotum, pubic and body hair growth, and the prostate’s...

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[Ronald1919]

Check this, a recent powerpoint of PFS by a doctor:

Post Finasteride Syndrome

Introduction-Dihydrotestosterone Generated through testosterone conversion via the enzyme 5 alpha-reductase, dihydrotestosterone (DHT) stimulates male characteristics. Implicated in the development of male genitalia, the penis, testes, scrotum, pubic and body hair growth, and the prostate’s...

drclearfield.net

This is an amazing document and it explains why this is so hard and crushing. All of the people who don't have PFS cannot possibly relate to this especially not the scammer on here

 

[MyUsernameHere]

This is an amazing document and it explains why this is so hard and crushing. All of the people who don't have PFS cannot possibly relate to this especially not the scammer on here

The worst ******* thing about all of this (aside from the crippling brain fog, which has improved) is, the complete lack of any kind of legitimate drive, passion or motivation to do ANYTHING.

Like whatever I do, it's either because I have to or because I have nothing better to do... but I don't actually WANT... to do anything.

I used to do 3D modeling, make music. Enjoy learning about new things and expend creative energy in various ways. I haven't felt any desire for any of those things in years. Whatever the source of that mental 'drive' that seems to be normal for people and that I used to have before Finasteride, it just evaporated.

Sometimes I'll take a supplement or herb that will bring maybe 5-10% of that back and be like "Holy ***t, a thing is interesting again".
But it's far from normal, and it rarely lasts.

 

[Mister]

The worst ******* thing about all of this (aside from the crippling brain fog, which has improved) is, the complete lack of any kind of legitimate drive, passion or motivation to do ANYTHING.

Like whatever I do, it's either because I have to or because I have nothing better to do... but I don't actually WANT... to do anything.

I used to do 3D modeling, make music. Enjoy learning about new things and expend creative energy in various ways. I haven't felt any desire for any of those things in years. Whatever the source of that mental 'drive' that seems to be normal for people and that I used to have before Finasteride, it just evaporated.

Sometimes I'll take a supplement or herb that will bring maybe 5-10% of that back and be like "Holy ***t, a thing is interesting again".
But it's far from normal, and it rarely lasts.

Oh man I can relate...

The fire and drive in life is completely gone because of PFS. It's also strongly correlated with your libido I believe.

 

[Beefsnacks]

Hey guys, random post but I think I've recovered from pfs.

I don't want to share everything just yet because it's only been a few weeks and want to make sure that this is going to last. But I can confidently say I have libido
after a year and a half. I did do 6 months of the low dose hcg so maybe that was what really brought things back but like I said I'm going to wait and see to make sure.

I haven't been taking any supplements or steroids in the past month and a half just for the record. Will update at the end of June with the full story.

Hope you all recover soon, take care.

 

[Prosper127]

Hey guys, random post but I think I've recovered from pfs.

I don't want to share everything just yet because it's only been a few weeks and want to make sure that this is going to last. But I can confidently say I have libido
after a year and a half. I did do 6 months of the low dose hcg so maybe that was what really brought things back but like I said I'm going to wait and see to make sure.

I haven't been taking any supplements or steroids in the past month and a half just for the record. Will update at the end of June with the full story.

Hope you all recover soon, take care.

That's great news, I pray you keep all your gains and more. Can you recap the last 12 months as far as protocols go?

 

[Beefsnacks]

I'll recap everything that I've done in June and give as much detail as possible.

Just waiting to see and make sure they stick, because the last thing people need is protocols that don't work and or are just temporary.

Rest assured I'll post again in a few weeks with everything and see what everyone's take is on it, cheers

 

[Mister]

Hey guys, random post but I think I've recovered from pfs.

I don't want to share everything just yet because it's only been a few weeks and want to make sure that this is going to last. But I can confidently say I have libido
after a year and a half. I did do 6 months of the low dose hcg so maybe that was what really brought things back but like I said I'm going to wait and see to make sure.

I haven't been taking any supplements or steroids in the past month and a half just for the record. Will update at the end of June with the full story.

Hope you all recover soon, take care.

Amazing brother, can't wait to read your full recovery story.

 

[Shadow5]

Can anyone here DM me where I can buy good HCG online?

All the docs I saw don't want to prescribe HCG, they think it's in my head as I'm a muscular guy.

 

[John W]

Interested to see your write up @Beefsnacks as you did a PCT after finishing HCG.

I sometimes wonder where I would be at this point had I did that. I believe I was quite shut down when I stopped HCG.

 

[Kirby_]

That's awesome @Beefsnacks ! Hopefully the recovery will be permanent!

I've read through half of this topic now and I'm really eager to try @JoeKool protocol. However, my blood tests are a little different I guess than most people that recover here. My DHT levels are too low while my Estrogen is sky high! (which explains my puffy nipples / gyno) SHBG is (low) mid range though. I'm not sure what impact HCG will have on me due to its estrogenic effects.

Are there any people here that succesfully tried HCG while also having high E2? Or is there someone that has some advice for me. I do not want to make my gyno symptoms worse but also think using HCG along with something like clomid is not a good idea.

 

[Mister]

That's awesome @Beefsnacks ! Hopefully the recovery will be permanent!

I've read through half of this topic now and I'm really eager to try @JoeKool protocol. However, my blood tests are a little different I guess than most people that recover here. My DHT levels are too low while my Estrogen is sky high! (which explains my puffy nipples / gyno) SHBG is (low) mid range though. I'm not sure what impact HCG will have on me due to its estrogenic effects.

Are there any people here that succesfully tried HCG while also having high E2? Or is there someone that has some advice for me. I do not want to make my gyno symptoms worse but also think using HCG along with something like clomid is not a good idea.

Nolvadex is a good alternative for your gyno issues.

 

[Kirby_]

Nolvadex is a good alternative for your gyno issues.

I know but I'm kind of hesitant to try due to the side effects I hear from them like libido loss. However my libido is already non-existent so do not know if can be even lower hahaha. What do you think of the combination HCG & Tamoxifen to counter the estrogenic effects? Or HCG & Proviron.

 

[Mister]

I know but I'm kind of hesitant to try due to the side effects I hear from them like libido loss. However my libido is already non-existent so do not know if can be even lower hahaha. What do you think of the combination HCG & Tamoxifen to counter the estrogenic effects? Or HCG & Proviron.

Don't think you have much to worry about libido loss and nolvadex, especially in our case with PFS. But you never know so maybe talk about it with your doctor/endocrinologist.

I wouldn't combine HCG and nolvadex. HCG is suppressive, although not much but still. I would take nolvadex after you're done with HCG. But many say it's no problem to combine these two, so the choice is up to you.

And for HCG and proviron, in that case it's quite clear. First proviron and then your PCT with HCG and/or nolvadex.

Edit: this is a good source to learn about SERMS, etc : thecycle/pct - steroids

And interesting part:

If you choose to include hCG in your PCT protocol, the best possible SERM for the PCT protocol is Nolvadex, as studies have demonstrated that hCG and Nolvadex utilized together have exhibited a remarkable synergistic effect in terms of stimulating endogenous Testosterone production, and that Nolvadex will actually work to block the desensitization effect on the Leydig cells of the testes caused by high doses of hCG .\10]) This is very important, because just as too little LH secretion for extended periods can cause desensitization to gonadotropins, too much gonadotropin stimulation (in the form of hCG or otherwise) may likewise cause a desensitization effect.

 

[Kirby_]

Don't think you have much to worry about libido loss and nolvadex, especially in our case with PFS. But you never know so maybe talk about it with your doctor/endocrinologist.

I wouldn't combine HCG and nolvadex. HCG is suppressive, although not much but still. I would take nolvadex after you're done with HCG. But many say it's no problem to combine these two, so the choice is up to you.

And for HCG and proviron, in that case it's quite clear. First proviron and then your PCT with HCG and/or nolvadex.

Edit: this is a good source to learn about SERMS, etc : thecycle/pct - steroids

And interesting part:

If you choose to include hCG in your PCT protocol, the best possible SERM for the PCT protocol is Nolvadex, as studies have demonstrated that hCG and Nolvadex utilized together have exhibited a remarkable synergistic effect in terms of stimulating endogenous Testosterone production, and that Nolvadex will actually work to block the desensitization effect on the Leydig cells of the testes caused by high doses of hCG .\10]) This is very important, because just as too little LH secretion for extended periods can cause desensitization to gonadotropins, too much gonadotropin stimulation (in the form of hCG or otherwise) may likewise cause a desensitization effect.

Very interesting. Thanks Mister! Will take a look there!

@Vicecaz Sorry to bother you, but before you started HCG, did you have high estrogen and low DHT? What made you do proviron next to HCG?

I also read somewhere in this topic that Cistanche worked well for your libido. What dosage did you take?

 

[Vicecaz]

@Kirby_ No worries at all.

You mean in blood test? Both were in range. But as I saw what high DHT is with proviron, and high estrogen with HCG, I can tell you that their effect/action was minimal/unnoticeable, even though in range.

Combining the two was more like an experiment rather than a thought out protocol. I was feeling bad in the 4th month with HCG. I assumed it was from estrogen getting too high. Hence the proviron idea to see if I could keep HCG's benefits without the high estrogen sides, and the benefits of having a boost in DHT with Proviron. Proviron made a few PAS people recovered so I thought it'd be interesting to try.

Proviron made me feel so bad I had to stop. I only took it for 15 days. I could not do anything during the day and I was feeling miserable. My brain was simply not working with poviron, too tired.

I'll run a few herbs like Rhodiola, Butea, cdnuts style for a little while and will likely go back to HCG alone after.

I re-ordered Ovidac (that I used the first two months, when a brief recovery occurred) instead of Pregnyl (from a different source, perhaps less reliable) the next 2.


As for cistanche, I really don't know. It was a megadose without a doubt.

 

[MyUsernameHere]

Cistanche gets all the hype here, but Butea is a lot more effective, libido-wise and as far as boosting androgens. I can't say I felt any appreciable androgen increase from Cistanche.

I also want to mention that it seems to be causing some positive physical changes to penis structure. It seems softer, as if there is less of that fibrotic, rubbery tissue, and also slightly increased sensitivity. They use this herb for libido and erection quality in Thailand, maybe taking it for a prolonged time can reverse some of the structural abnormalities down there.

 

[MagroNomac]

Hi everybody, new to forum, joined just for this thread. I seem to have every symptom that's been spoken but I never used finasteride. I have a hard flaccid and sexual dysfunction condition which is what drives me to seek recovery. I am really interested in doing this protocol especially since the 'consensus' is that if used properly, HCG is only beneficial. My symptoms are: Cold extremities (feet especially), cold body parts (glutes) after work outs, body over heats, mind over works/heats when in stimulating situations, susceptible to overwhelming cold, brain fog, lethargy, depression, anxiety, excessive sweating (armpits especially), chronic fatigue, poor sleep, disrupted sleep, difficulty waking, lack of drive, shrunk/turtled penis, tight scrotum/perineum, pelvic floor tension, sphincter (a**hol*) tension, urinary hesitancy/retention, poor bladder emptying, involuntary kegels right before urinating, poor erection quality, and probably others i can't think of. Long history of weed and tobacco from age 15, alcohol, anger depression anxiety stress, porn over masterbation poor sleep. I'm 29 now, got most of these symptoms 5 years ago, some before. I feel like my thyroid, liver glycogen storage, and hpg axis are not well.

I'm hoping that someone has a small guideline to this program for someone who is not as adept in biology, some things such as storage (fridge), how to administer shots (video?), What else is needed and why (bac water)? And anything else i may be missing. Sorry for the requests but this isn't my usual supplemental capsules routine and just want to be smart. I only read the first 15 pages of this thread, i will keep going but wanted to post for a head start.

It seems that i should do 250 iu MWF for 6 months and only accompany that with glycine, and magnesium taureate (bicarbonate ok?), Vitamin a and d (can i stick to desiccated beef liver and oyster extract?) and that's all, i feel like I'm missing something (taurine?).

How long will these last me :
"30CC of bacteriostatic water
4 to 5 HCG packs (They usually come with 1cc of water but I didn't use it)
100 insulin needles.
a 10CC sterile but open vial (has a removable rubber top)"


Does anyone know of an illustrative video or guide to better visualize this:

"You'll draw 1CC of water and reconstitute your HCG in the vial it comes in, then put it in the fridge to completely dissipate... then draw that 1CC HCG liquid and place into the 10CC vial that's empty. Add 4 more CC of water and put back in the fridge to completely dissipate again. You won't see any differences in the liquid but 4 to 8 hours should be enough. Reconstitued HCG lasts 60 days in this form but you'll be drawing 1/4 CC Monday,Wednesday & Friday only. Swab the side delt with an alcohol swab and pin straight in. Push the plunger down and wait a few seconds and remove... you won't feel anything and likely see no blood... if you do, it's ok..."

sorry for the long first post, appreciate any help given

edit: sorry also for the awkward layout, don't know why the first part is in reply form