Help Me! Post Finasteride Sindrome

[General Orange]

And creatine and glycine increases DHT and sorgum. If you want to go more hardcore and upregulate 5AR receptors with steroids. There is 5alpha DHP, search for it here on the forum and DHT fomulas on amazon.

edit: DHEA is also good precursor that is required for DHT synthesis and can help maintain high DHT.

 

[Pedro Melo]

I had a few PFS symptoms some years ago. I took Cephalexin for three days and had good results with it. It reversed some of my PFS symptoms while I took it. It's an antibiotic.

I had great results on the Peat diet as soon as I started doing it. I'm pretty sure it helped reverse my PFS symptoms. I was drinking milk, eating potatoes (boiled for 40 minutes) every day, eating a raw carrot every day. Can you handle potatoes? Are you eating the raw carrot?

As for the frequent urination, are you eating salt? Maybe try a teaspoon of salt with a glass of water. It worked for me.

Where can I found this rae peat diet?
Im used to eat a lot of protein because of my physical activity. I can try the salt thing... On per day? The carrot I've already started so let's see the results. I'm also eating broccolis a lot to try to low estrogen.
My friend the frequent urintaion and the bad digestion I think its a brain problem or nota?

 

[Pedro Melo]

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And creatine and glycine increases DHT and sorgum. If you want to go more hardcore and upregulate 5AR receptors with steroids. There is 5alpha DHP, search for it here on the forum and DHT fomulas on amazon.

edit: DHEA is also good precursor that is required for DHT synthesis and can help maintain high DHT.

Saw in hackstasis they do the opoosite... If my DHT is normal they try to los it só my androgen receptors start to work...
My friend you talked about gaba in your previews answers. I'm having dreams and wake up with an OK morning wood( not like before but still OK).
Do you think my gabba is still bad function?

 

[General Orange]

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Saw in hackstasis they do the opoosite... If my DHT is normal they try to los it só my androgen receptors start to work...
My friend you talked about gaba in your previews answers. I'm having dreams and wake up with an OK morning wood( not like before but still OK).
Do you think my gabba is still bad function?

Blood analysis does not indicate the state of hormones bound to tissue or receptor expression.
To upregulate 5 alpha receptors you will need androgens like DHT and DHEA, combined with progesterone and that will reduce the high estrogens and should heal PFS.

I am not familiar with hackstasis. But I think working with hormones is better that a natural approach.

 

[General Orange]

OK bRO, since alpha redutase enzymes hás been block due to finasterida maybe something happen in my brain, the neurologist said it was possible and with my sintomns... I already did the exam let's wait for the results.

So in resume, the friend here said progesterone is not decisive as you defend on pfs. Still you think I should take it.

To the gut, piss and brain deregulation I can have:alcar ashwaganda and gotu kola right? This can also help my orgasm.to.improve? And also gaba?
What about tamoxifeno to my boobs ( ehats tour opinion on that).
This four products ( GABA, ashwaganda, gotu kola and alcar) I can find in any natural store? Or do I need medical prescription?
Thanks a lot bro

GABA enhancers help with pissing and gut and brain.
DHT and tribulus helps with libido and 5 AR and testosterone expression in brain.
tamoxifen should not be needed when you increase DHT, DHT will reduce boobs also.
Those product can find in health store, but DHT booster you get online I guess.

 

[General Orange]

Where can I found this rae peat diet?
Im used to eat a lot of protein because of my physical activity. I can try the salt thing... On per day? The carrot I've already started so let's see the results. I'm also eating broccolis a lot to try to low estrogen.
My friend the frequent urintaion and the bad digestion I think its a brain problem or nota?

check in the wiki for food guidelines here: https://raypeatforum.com/wiki/index.php/New_to_Peat:_How_to_get_started?#Diet

 

[Pedro Melo]

check in the wiki for food guidelines here: https://raypeatforum.com/wiki/index.php/New_to_Peat:_How_to_get_started?#Diet

Thanks a lot bRO...
I will try dhea, tribulus im alrrady on it, and since progesterone is an hormone, I'll probably need medical prescription or not? Is it injectable or to take like a pill ( I'm sorry for my ignorance).
I was reading that gaba is very big to pass the brain bareer , so I'll try the alroach you teller me ( ashwaganda, kola, curcumin etc.)

 

[General Orange]

Thanks a lot bRO...
I will try dhea, tribulus im alrrady on it, and since progesterone is an hormone, I'll probably need medical prescription or not? Is it injectable or to take like a pill ( I'm sorry for my ignorance).
I was reading that gaba is very big to pass the brain bareer , so I'll try the alroach you teller me ( ashwaganda, kola, curcumin etc.)

Look for liquid Progest-E online, progesterone with vitamin E, Idealabs has Progesterone here on this forum.
Yes GABA molecule itself, is not so effective supplement. Also Lemon balm or Rosemary extract with rosmarinic acid is very good for gaba.

 

[Pedro Melo]

Look for liquid Progest-E online, progesterone with vitamin E, Idealabs has Progesterone here on this forum.
Yes GABA molecule itself, is not so effective supplement. Also Lemon balm or Rosemary extract with rosmarinic acid is very good for gaba.

OK my friend I'm really glad for your help. I'll keep you update. What is the amount of pogesterone-e you think I should start?
And from your experience for how long I should feel improvement?

 

[General Orange]

OK my friend I'm really glad for your help. I'll keep you update. What is the amount of pogesterone-e you think I should start?
And from your experience for how long I should feel improvement?

I don't know the exact dosage, it depends on the product. But Progest-E you take a few drops daily.
It could take months before you see results.

edit: Maybe it is an idea to use topical DHT gel on the breast area, this can help with gynecomasita, or manboobs

"So seeing all this, DHT definitely acts as a nervous system stimulant, and a metabolic "probe", it also increases GABA. Second to this though, it could indirectly decrease serotonin or serotonin receptors; since DHT antagonizes estrogen activity, and estrogen helps maintain the expression of serotonin receptors in the brain(18) (19). This is also consistent with DHT being shown to stop estrogen induced prolactin release(20).
This is part of the reason behind using DHT Gel to treat gynecomasita. Clearly DHT has anti-depressant effects, since Finasteride causes depression (21) and also based on the above mentioned activity of DHT in the brain. It gives energy, it gives focus, it gives aggression. "

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[Pedro Melo]

I don't know the exact dosage, it depends on the product. But Progest-E you take a few drops daily.
It could take months before you see results.

edit: Maybe it is an idea to use topical DHT gel on the breast area, this can help with gynecomasita, or manboobs

"So seeing all this, DHT definitely acts as a nervous system stimulant, and a metabolic "probe", it also increases GABA. Second to this though, it could indirectly decrease serotonin or serotonin receptors; since DHT antagonizes estrogen activity, and estrogen helps maintain the expression of serotonin receptors in the brain(18) (19). This is also consistent with DHT being shown to stop estrogen induced prolactin release(20).
This is part of the reason behind using DHT Gel to treat gynecomasita. Clearly DHT has anti-depressant effects, since Finasteride causes depression (21) and also based on the above mentioned activity of DHT in the brain. It gives energy, it gives focus, it gives aggression. "

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Nice sources my friend. Yes the time issue ( months to ser resulta) its driving me nuts.
Só im already taking glutatione boasters along with cialis so my NO don't raise too much. I'll stick with tribulus, and I've added gotu kola, the iodin eig I did a research and said its good to drop prolactin, the curcumin and the tamoxifen.
I want to add the prog.e and the dht gel.
About the dht gel I can also get it from Amazon or from this site and I should aplyy it every day, trying to cover the area right?
My friend, if my test and dht levels are OK, you think increase more dht its the best solution? More dht, the more the androgens receptors have to ", work" is this the logic?

 

[stevrd]

Hi everyone,

I thought I would chime in. There's nobody better than Peat followers to solve the PFS puzzle. Watch this video:


He offers a 100k prize to anyone who can be able to cure post finasteride syndrome. I think a lot of us are coming close to the mechanisms behind it, but we're not quite there yet.

 

[brix]

Hi everyone,

I thought I would chime in. There's nobody better than Peat followers to solve the PFS puzzle. Watch this video:


He offers a 100k prize to anyone who can be able to cure post finasteride syndrome. I think a lot of us are coming close to the mechanisms behind it, but we're not quite there yet.

The problem with this is that there is not 1 cure all. It effects people differently. I’ve made leaps in bounds with totally different approaches. But it is completely individualized.

 

[stevrd]

The problem with this is that there is not 1 cure all. It effects people differently. I’ve made leaps in bounds with totally different approaches. But it is completely individualized.

I agree with this. I have had similar symptoms to PFS over the years that I attribute to long-term accutane use. I've seen relief with following Peat's work and using thyroid hormone, pregnenolone, meditation, sunlight, etc... The problem I see in the community of sufferers is that even though it does affect people differently and some people have had temporary success with different approaches, I have yet to talk to one person that has completely cured it, or even found a successful way to treat it. I'm sure most people just want to live their life and if they have to treat it for the rest of their lives they would be OK with it. But the problem is so many people who suffer from it feel that they've found the holy grail cure/treatment only to abandon it a few weeks later because it didn't work, and so they're just onto the next thing.

I do believe that there is an underlying mechanism to PFS that we just simply have not found yet. Anything that blocks 5ar also affects allopregnanolone production. This might be why pregnenolone, being a precursor to it is able to temporary help people with PFS, but that really is not a good long-term strategy. I feel that we are getting closer to finding something that works well enough to improve a majority of cases, then we can chip away at the minority of those who don't respond. Anyways, good collaboration. Hopefully in time we can all be able to understand this issue a lot more and help each other out.

There are a million things that can affect libido. Since a lot of people are finding that PFS is something that is mostly brain-related, it could be that 5ar has some type of relationship with melanocortin production. This may be why so many PFS sufferers feel better when they go out in the sun or take PT 141. I encourage anyone with PFS to give PT 141 a try.

 

[brix]

@stevrd join hackstasis.com forum. It stemmed from this site as an alternative health site dedicated to solving this issue. Many people are close to being cured or have been cured of PFS, accutane use, and post ssri syndrome. Some people on this forum hate on it but it has good info.

PFS has a lot to do with 5ar, cortisol, and progesterone, and all androgenic receptors.

 

[stevrd]

@stevrd join hackstasis.com forum. It stemmed from this site as an alternative health site dedicated to solving this issue. Many people are close to being cured or have been cured of PFS, accutane use, and post ssri syndrome. Some people on this forum hate on it but it has good info.

Thanks Brix. Some people on this forum are not open to trying new things, looking at new theories/ideas. So yeah, thanks for the link. I will certainly join.

 

[Pedro Melo]

Thanks both. Brix I'm ready there!

 

[sladerunner69]

@stevrd join hackstasis.com forum. It stemmed from this site as an alternative health site dedicated to solving this issue. Many people are close to being cured or have been cured of PFS, accutane use, and post ssri syndrome. Some people on this forum hate on it but it has good info.

PFS has a lot to do with 5ar, cortisol, and progesterone, and all androgenic receptors.

Weren't you the guy who "cured" his pfs with ru486 (or whatever it's called) and a dopamine agonist? I was curious what kind of diet you were doing while you tried getting better. I understand that those guys on hackstasis differ pretty widely from Ray Peat in terms of dietary beliefs. Most of them praise that dude Goldbuev, and his recommended diet is a waterfast or juice cleanse drinking nothing but vegetable juice for minerals.... I tried that for one day and felt so horrific that I gave up by dinner time.

 

[brix]

Weren't you the guy who "cured" his pfs with ru486 (or whatever it's called) and a dopamine agonist? I was curious what kind of diet you were doing while you tried getting better. I understand that those guys on hackstasis differ pretty widely from Ray Peat in terms of dietary beliefs. Most of them praise that dude Goldbuev, and his recommended diet is a waterfast or juice cleanse drinking nothing but vegetable juice for minerals.... I tried that for one day and felt so horrific that I gave up by dinner time.

Yes I tried ullipristal. It’s similar to ru486 in that it modulates progesterone receptors. It definitely cured me for a while, but slowly the effects diminished... but to a higher baseline.

He does believe in water fasts for a couple reasons. I haven’t done any but a lot of people there have said good things about their experiences with them.

That sites diet recommendations are split. Basically into fast and slow oxidizers. Fast needs fats and slow need carbs. Both equal protein. So I eat higher fat, moderate protein/carbs and feel good. I have a very high metabolism though and need to eat/drink 4000+ Cals a day to gain weight and 3500ish to maintain my weight of 185 (6’2)

 

[broozer]

@stevrd join hackstasis.com forum. It stemmed from this site as an alternative health site dedicated to solving this issue. Many people are close to being cured or have been cured of PFS, accutane use, and post ssri syndrome. Some people on this forum hate on it but it has good info.

PFS has a lot to do with 5ar, cortisol, and progesterone, and all androgenic receptors.

its a mad disease. i have it too. when taking fin, i sleept 11h a day, was quiet ok with high libido,a bit puffy and clouded thinking. when i quit cold turky i developped severe insomnia,anxiety, lowest immunesystem ever, and fatigue due to bad sleep.
i found mesures to imrove, but sleep is still nowhere near refreshing.