Crashing Estrogen As a Male; How To and What To Expect

[Yonebayashian]

After reading people on this forum talking about this, I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile for myself as a male to try and crash my estrogen. Would the results be positive? What aromatase inhibitors should I take if I wanted to do this?

 

[looking2grow96]

...could you go into a bit more detail why in the world you'd want to do this? it won't be fun.

 

[Yonebayashian]

I heard estrogen sucks so I want to lower it. Why wouldn't it be pleasant?

 

[looking2grow96]

Just lookup people's experience w/ aromatase inhibitors. Bone pain, memory loss, lack of libido, emotional/mood problems. It's one thing if your estro is high, but estrogen as a "bad" hormone is completely oversold on this website.

 

[MyUsernameHere]

People really need to understand the meaning of nuance and context. This is getting beyond ridiculous.

 

[Jerkboy]

It sucks hard. Never crush your estrogen to very low levels. Unless you want to feel like an old fart, depressed, etc.

Temporarily lowering it might be good if your estrogen load was high for a long time. But long term not a good idea.

 

[Peater]

In a nutshell night sweats, cracking knees, no erections, depression.

 

[Yonebayashian]

Please forgive for the scandalization, I guess I got the wrong impression by seeing the casual way people were suggesting someone crash their estrogen.

Lets say someone had chronically high estrogen for their entire life- I believe this has been the case for me- how would one go about using aromatase inhibitors to correct the situation?

 

[MyUsernameHere]

Please forgive for the scandalization, I guess I got the wrong impression by seeing the casual way people were suggesting someone crash their estrogen.

Lets say someone had chronically high estrogen for their entire life- I believe this has been the case for me- how would one go about using aromatase inhibitors to correct the situation?

By using a low dose of exemestane, let's say no more than 5 mg, every 2 or 3 days and doing blood tests then adjusting accordingly.

 

[Yonebayashian]

By using a low dose of exemestane, let's say no more than 5 mg, every 2 or 3 days and doing blood tests then adjusting accordingly.

Thank you!

 

[BRBsavinWorld]

It sounds like the average user on here is a 6ft-4in 19th century dairy farmer’s son of a Greek statue with 3ft wide shoulders, raised chopping firewood all week and butchering hogs on the weekends, lol I kid.

I know for a fact that I, as a 21st century Western male, raised on raw cruciferous veggies and nerd activities, had no problem whatsoever “crashing” my estrogen.

So, Obviously it comes down to context.

How much estrogen are you producing, how chubby are you, are you adequately replacing the anti inflammatory effects of estrogen with progesterone/dhea, are you raising your T levels simultaneously with herbs and diet, etc.

By far the best Aromatase inhibitor I’ve bothered with is Haidut’s R&D 6-keto-P4. And I’d add to that, taking half of his bottle of progesterone/dhea mix. That can actually shut off the estrogen receptor protein that gets turned on under profound stress.

Alongside well cooked mushrooms, activated charcoal, carrot salad, and removal of pufa’s, that’ll do it well.

I’d add the herbs cistanche and ashwaganda to help boost testosterone, alongside the general pro thyroid foods like thyroid, calcium, liver, steak, gelatin, honey, etc. I’d also add hot cocoa as a dopaminergic tool to antagonize serotonin. If you actually have an estrogen problem, it will likely be connected to chronic serotonin issues, and generally won’t go away until you fix that — in which case I’d also add haiduts R&D 10 methoxy harmalan.

What I experienced doing all I could to lower estrogen, was mostly feeling like a normal male — regular drive to work and accomplish something; lack of depression; Love of girls without obsession to get an orgasm to keep from dying of sadness; lack of sadness; confidence. I did have inflammatory issues suppressed by estrogen come back like “popping knee joint,” that went away when I fixed the inflammation with stuff like progesterone, aspirin, and niacinamide. My sex drive became less need for 2 hours of hardcore porn a day, and more desire to just interact with girls. I now actually get Repulsed by What I used to watch.

You generally won’t have a problem with too little estrogen in short term. According to Peat, The cell itself is an estrogen receptor. Just find yourself stuck in a western country and stop practicing the pro metabolic diet, and you’ll soon enough get back any estrogen you lost with a protocol, lol.

Obviously, if you are getting full nights of sleep and don’t wake up with an erection, that’s a great canary in the coal mine, so lay off the Aromatase inhibitors, and focus on increasing your steroids and general health, instead.

 

[Chophouse360]

Males need some estrogen

 

[xeliex]

It sounds like the average user on here is a 6ft-4in 19th century dairy farmer’s son of a Greek statue with 3ft wide shoulders, raised chopping firewood all week and butchering hogs on the weekends, lol I kid.

I know for a fact that I, as a 21st century Western male, raised on raw cruciferous veggies and nerd activities, had no problem whatsoever “crashing” my estrogen.

So, Obviously it comes down to context.

How much estrogen are you producing, how chubby are you, are you adequately replacing the anti inflammatory effects of estrogen with progesterone/dhea, are you raising your T levels simultaneously with herbs and diet, etc.

By far the best Aromatase inhibitor I’ve bothered with is Haidut’s R&D 6-keto-P4. And I’d add to that, taking half of his bottle of progesterone/dhea mix. That can actually shut off the estrogen receptor protein that gets turned on under profound stress.

Alongside well cooked mushrooms, activated charcoal, carrot salad, and removal of pufa’s, that’ll do it well.

I’d add the herbs cistanche and ashwaganda to help boost testosterone, alongside the general pro thyroid foods like thyroid, calcium, liver, steak, gelatin, honey, etc. I’d also add hot cocoa as a dopaminergic tool to antagonize serotonin. If you actually have an estrogen problem, it will likely be connected to chronic serotonin issues, and generally won’t go away until you fix that — in which case I’d also add haiduts R&D 10 methoxy harmalan.

What I experienced doing all I could to lower estrogen, was mostly feeling like a normal male — regular drive to work and accomplish something; lack of depression; Love of girls without obsession to get an orgasm to keep from dying of sadness; lack of sadness; confidence. I did have inflammatory issues suppressed by estrogen come back like “popping knee joint,” that went away when I fixed the inflammation with stuff like progesterone, aspirin, and niacinamide. My sex drive became less need for 2 hours of hardcore porn a day, and more desire to just interact with girls. I now actually get Repulsed by What I used to watch.

You generally won’t have a problem with too little estrogen in short term. According to Peat, The cell itself is an estrogen receptor. Just find yourself stuck in a western country and stop practicing the pro metabolic diet, and you’ll soon enough get back any estrogen you lost with a protocol, lol.

Obviously, if you are getting full nights of sleep and don’t wake up with an erection, that’s a great canary in the coal mine, so lay off the Aromatase inhibitors, and focus on increasing your steroids and general health, instead.

Well said.

 

[DonLore]

Iodine has the most pronounced estrogen lowering (in agood way) effect from all thingsI have tried

 

[Judd Crane]

By far the best Aromatase inhibitor I’ve bothered with is Haidut’s R&D 6-keto-P4. And I’d add to that, taking half of his bottle of progesterone/dhea mix. That can actually shut off the estrogen receptor protein that gets turned on under profound stress.

What doses would you suggest for 6-keto-P4 to combat estrogen?

 

[tankasnowgod]

After reading people on this forum talking about this, I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile for myself as a male to try and crash my estrogen. Would the results be positive? What aromatase inhibitors should I take if I wanted to do this?

I don't think "crash" is the correct word. You are looking to lower your estrogen. Truly "crashing" it (getting to zero or undetectable levels) requires a combination of drugs that can have some truly nasty side effects. Certainly not recommended.

Probably the best ways to go about this would be using either the AI exemestane, progesterone, or the non-aromatisable androgens. There is lots of discussions about all of these on the forum.

This is a good one comparing the two most popular AIs-

Aromasin (Exemestane) V Arimidex- Interesting Thread

Found this interesting discussion on excel male. Talking about benefits of Exemestane over Arimidex; Aromatase inhibitors other than arimidex? Excerpt; "Exemestane, sold under the name Aromasin® by Pfizer, is an orally available suicidal aromatase inhibitor.

raypeatforum.com

Just lookup people's experience w/ aromatase inhibitors. Bone pain, memory loss, lack of libido, emotional/mood problems. It's one thing if your estro is high, but estrogen as a "bad" hormone is completely oversold on this website.

The issues people experience with aromatase inhibitors may not be due to lowered estrogen levels. There was even a study that found vitamin D supplementation reduced side effects of exemestane and letrozole, while lowering estrogen even more than the drugs on their own. If the sides were truly from "low estrogen," why would something that helps lower it more reduce side effects?

Peat himself isn't a fan of most AI or "Anti-Estrogen" drugs, and claims that many of them are actually estrogenic in nature.

 

[BRBsavinWorld]

What doses would you suggest for 6-keto-P4 to combat estrogen?

10-20mg a day. I’d also take glucose and progesterone-dhea mix with it, because i believe I read a side effect that it can tax the thymus, and progesterone will protect the thymus and sugar is anabolic for it. Definitely google Haidut’s rpf thread on it to see a deep dive into 6-keto-P4

 

[Peroxphos]

Crashed it recently, accidentally (with 20mg/day transcrotal T + 4mg/day transdermal DHT).

The most obvious symptoms appeared after a few weeks: bone pain in one feet, random joint pain in a knee, and back pain when driving.

Removing the transdermal DHT restored estrogen to higher, but still low, enjoyable levels.

Edit: steroids were in DMSO solution so amounts probably close to 100% absorbed

Edit2: despite being on vitamin D 10kIU/day, including UV lamp and blood levels of 25-OH-D3 at 50 (correct level)

 

[Matestube]

After reading people on this forum talking about this, I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile for myself as a male to try and crash my estrogen. Would the results be positive? What aromatase inhibitors should I take if I wanted to do this?

A few solutions are Exemestane, progesterone and DHT.
By all means try it for yourself and see that even a small dose of any of the above compound will lead to low estrogen symptoms such as cracking joints and low mood.
That's where I think Ray's opinion that everyone is estrogen dominant is false: if it were the case, it wouldn't take such a low dose of Exemestane or DHT to have everyone's joints popping. It would take weeks to clear up the tissue-bound estrogens.