Acetazolamide Plus Thiamine As Treatment Of Mental Conditions

[javacody]

Looks cheap and easy to make at home.

I can't wait to try it!

http://www.afibbers.org/Wallerwater.pdf

I'm using purebulk Mg hydroxide powder to make it. Seems to work.

If you are trying to find ways to get vitamins into daughter without pills, their vitamin powders make them easy to add to juice etc.
My kids love jelly made with fruit juice, too.

Thanks for the tip, Tara!

My biggest concern for her is minerals. She gets plenty of calcium and sodium, but not enough zinc, mag, selenium, and potassium.

If only I could get her to eat liver and shellfish!

 

[narouz]

He also says it's important to eat food you like. :)

Hmmm...yes, he has said that in certain contexts.
But I wouldn't say that it is one of his main suggestions about diet.

If Peat's overarching piece of advice about diet were,
"Just eat what you like,"
honestly...everybody's diet here would be radically different,
we'd be slamming down PUFA and starch right and left,
and our health would divebomb into the toilet...

 

[tara]

Warning: off topic discussion continued. :)

He also says it's important to eat food you like. :)

Hmmm...yes, he has said that in certain contexts.
But I wouldn't say that it is one of his main suggestions about diet.

If Peat's overarching piece of advice about diet were,
"Just eat what you like,"
honestly...everybody's diet here would be radically different,
we'd be slamming down PUFA and starch right and left,
and our health would divebomb into the toilet...

Not mine. Since reading Peat, I don't eat anything I don't like. He's given me permission to eat food I like that I used to restrict because I'd heard it was unhealthy - as much fruit and juice as I want, sugar and salt when I want, butter and coconut oil instead of margarine or seed oil, more protein. I have always loved oysters (though I can't afford them much), I love liver and miss it if I skip a couple of days. I still don't eat all the things Peat likes and recommends, because some of them seem to bother me specifically, but I'm not avoiding them on principle because someone said they were unhealthy any more. I do hold back on wheat, which I like, but I was doing that pre-Peat, based on observing its effects on me. I've massively cut back on PUFA, but I seldom miss it - everything tastes better made with coconut oil or butter instead. Some of the local fish and chipperies still cook with beef fat.
I can't think of any high-PUFA food that I wouldn't like at least as much if it was made in a lower-PUFA/higher SFA way. I seldom miss avocadoes and nuts, but I'd eat a little occasionally if I did, as I do with the occasional salmon sushi.

Sure, he gives guidelines about foods, but within that there's quite a bit of scope. And he seems really into observing ourselves, and I think paying attention to what tastes good, and how thirsty we are, is a key part of that. He has specifically said that eating food we like aids digestion, and that taste for sweet is a good guide, and thirst is a good guide (which triggered this OT discussion). Not his only central message, but one of them.

 

[narouz]

Not mine. Since reading Peat, I don't eat anything I don't like.

I think you may be giving short shrift
to the 1000's of pages of detailed & general dietary advice
Peat has created.

If all Peat had ever said was,
"Just eat what you like"....
I must say I have my doubts that your current diet would look much like it does now.
I know mine wouldn't. :)

 

[tara]

Not mine. Since reading Peat, I don't eat anything I don't like.

I think you may be giving short shrift
to the 1000's of pages of detailed & general dietary advice
Peat has created.

If all Peat had ever said was,
"Just eat what you like"....
I must say I have my doubts that your current diet would look much like it does now.
I know mine wouldn't. :)

I didn't and don't say say he said 'Just eat what you like'. I think he has said "Eat food you like" as I one of many principles he has presented to guide diet. Not necessarily the most important, but maybe not the least important either - and what is most important probably varies from person to person.

 

[narouz]

Not mine. Since reading Peat, I don't eat anything I don't like.

I think you may be giving short shrift
to the 1000's of pages of detailed & general dietary advice
Peat has created.

If all Peat had ever said was,
"Just eat what you like"....
I must say I have my doubts that your current diet would look much like it does now.
I know mine wouldn't. :)

I didn't and don't say say he said 'Just eat what you like'. I think he has said "Eat food you like" as I one of many principles he has presented to guide diet. Not necessarily the most important, but maybe not the least important either - and what is most important probably varies from person to person.

Let's think about it in terms of this forum.
Let's imagine that the forum's ceo and board,
as they sit in their plush offices 80 floors up in Shanghai,
decide that the overarching goal of the forum should be
inclusiveness.

Okay.
With that in mind,
as a forum,
how would you like to interpret and distill Peat's diet views?

If inclusiveness is the driving mission,
then the Peat summary should be
"Eat what you like."

That way,
the forum would appeal to just about everyone.
And we could drive up our membership,
and become very big.
Nobody would feel left out.
Nobody would worry that the diet might be challenging.

 

[tara]

Let's think about it in terms of this forum.
Let's imagine that the forum's ceo and board,
as they sit in their plush offices 80 floors up in Shanghai,
decide that the overarching goal of the forum should be
inclusiveness.

Okay.
With that in mind,
as a forum,
how would you like to interpret and distill Peat's diet views?

If inclusiveness is the driving idea,
then the Peat summary should be
"Eat what you like."

That way,
the forum would appeal to just about everyone.
And we could drive up our membership,
and become very big.
Nobody would feel left out.
Nobody would worry that the diet might be challenging.

But what about:
Here are some general guidelines that may help guide your food choices:
- Minimise PUFA ...
- At least 80g protein, ...
- Favour sugar from fruit, milk, honey and sucrose over large amounts of starch
- Get enough calcium and other minerals ...
- Try these tactics to lower endotoxin ...
- [other Peaty suggestions ...]
- Choose foods that you like (taking into account the other guidelines)

 

[narouz]

Let's think about it in terms of this forum.
Let's imagine that the forum's ceo and board,
as they sit in their plush offices 80 floors up in Shanghai,
decide that the overarching goal of the forum should be
inclusiveness.

Okay.
With that in mind,
as a forum,
how would you like to interpret and distill Peat's diet views?

If inclusiveness is the driving idea,
then the Peat summary should be
"Eat what you like."

That way,
the forum would appeal to just about everyone.
And we could drive up our membership,
and become very big.
Nobody would feel left out.
Nobody would worry that the diet might be challenging.

But what about:
Here are some general guidelines that may help guide your food choices:
- Minimise PUFA ...
- At least 80g protein, ...
- Favour sugar from fruit, milk, honey and sucrose over large amounts of starch
- Get enough calcium and other minerals ...
- Try these tactics to lower endotoxin ...
- [other Peaty suggestions ...]
- Choose foods that you like (taking into account the other guidelines)

Then you've gone well beyond
"Just eat what you like."
And, in my opinion, you've omitted some important stuff. :)

 

[tara]

Then you've gone well beyond
"Just eat what you like."
And, in my opinion, you've omitted some important stuff. :)

I think it is you who inserted the 'just' into this discussion, not me. :)

I wasn't aiming for a comprehensive summary of all Peat's principles (that's what the placeholder [other Peaty suggestions .. ] was there to indicate).
Just making the point that choosing food that tastes good is ONE of the things Peat recommends. Not the only one, and maybe not the most important one for most people. Surely you aren't suggesting there is any one single diet guideline that is the one and only most important for everyone? (Unless you count something very general, like eat for a high metabolism, which might involve applying several of the more specific tactics?)

 

[narouz]

Then you've gone well beyond
"Just eat what you like."
And, in my opinion, you've omitted some important stuff. :)

I think it is you who inserted the 'just' into this discussion, not me. :)

I wasn't aiming for a comprehensive summary of all Peat's principles (that's what the placeholder [other Peaty suggestions .. ] was there to indicate).
Just making the point that choosing food that tastes good is ONE of the things Peat recommends. Not the only one, and maybe not the most important one for most people. Surely you aren't suggesting there is any one single diet guideline that is the one and only most important for everyone? (Unless you count something very general, like eat for a high metabolism, which might involve applying several of the more specific tactics?)

Well...to cut to the chase,
I am against romanticizing a Peat diet,
and Ray Peat the guy.

It is very rare that one reads/hears Peat try to sell his diet ideas
by saying "this is the most delicious diet you'll ever eat!" or whatever.

Why should we?

 

[tara]

Well...to cut to the chase,
I am against romanticizing a Peat diet,
and Ray Peat the guy.

It is very rare that one reads/hears Peat try to sell his diet ideas
by saying "this is the most delicious diet you'll ever eat!" or whatever.

Why should we?

I'm not trying to sell it to anyone with this. I happen to think it is pretty close to the most delicious diet I've tried so far. I know not everyone feels that way about it. But there are others, too, who have expressed relief over the the idea that it is OK to eat sweet food and milk and cheese, because they too love these foods.

I think if you are trying to convince people to try these diet ideas for a whole lot of other (very good) reasons, you'd be missing out a key principle by not mentioning that taste is important too. Why leave out this specific one of the many things he has said? I want it included as one of many important principles, not the single overriding one.
We started out with diluting juice with water to taste - to my mind, this instantiates, rather than contradicts, Peat's diet guidelines.

Since I'm still not seeing my versions of Peating so far solve my most difficult health issue, I suspect I'll have to make some changes to it. I'm afraid that might not be so delicious.

 

[narouz]

Well...to cut to the chase,
I am against romanticizing a Peat diet,
and Ray Peat the guy.

It is very rare that one reads/hears Peat try to sell his diet ideas
by saying "this is the most delicious diet you'll ever eat!" or whatever.

Why should we?

I'm not trying to sell it to anyone with this. I happen to think it is pretty close to the most delicious diet I've tried so far. I know not everyone feels that way about it. But there are others, too, who have expressed relief over the the idea that it is OK to eat sweet food and milk and cheese, because they too love these foods.

I think if you are trying to convince people to try these diet ideas for a whole lot of other (very good) reasons, you'd be missing out a key principle by not mentioning that taste is important too. Why leave out this specific one of the many things he has said? I want it included as one of many important principles, not the single overriding one.
We started out with diluting juice with water to taste - to my mind, this instantiates, rather than contradicts, Peat's diet guidelines.

Since I'm still not seeing my versions of Peating so far solve my most difficult health issue, I suspect I'll have to make some changes to it. I'm afraid that might not be so delicious.

About Bing's diluting his juices...
He is a thoughtful poster.
I was just curious why he diluted his juices.

If Bing had said
that he uses frozen scallops as ice cubes,
it would've aroused the same kind of response from me.
I probably would've said,
"If I may be so bold, Bing,
why do you do that?"

 

[tara]

that he uses frozen scallops as ice cubes,

blech. :)

 

[narouz]

that he uses frozen scallops as ice cubes,

blech. :)

Yeah,
but I would be thinking,
maybe he gets his zinc or copper that way.
I'd have to ask. :)

 

[passivity]

Would taking 1.5g of thiamine every day deplete the other B vitamins?

 

[haidut]

Would taking 1.5g of thiamine every day deplete the other B vitamins?

I don't know if it would deplete them but it may increase the need for them. More B1 increases need for potassium, and I think B2, and B3.

 

[passivity]

I don't know if it would deplete them but it may increase the need for them. More B1 increases need for potassium, and I think B2, and B3.

alright thanks again!