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A Gallon Of Orange Juice? (Ray Peat's Daily Sugar Intake)

Discussion in 'Macros & Micros' started by Logan-, Oct 9, 2018.

  1. Logan-

    Logan- Member

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    In the Ray Peat Email Exchanges link (https://raypeatforum.com/wiki/index.php/Ray_Peat_Email_Exchanges )
    He says he often has a gallon of orange juice in a day, and another 100 grams of other sugar:

    I have often had a gallon of orange juice in a day, with 100 grams of other sugar, and didn't see any problem, even while being sedentary. If your metabolic rate is high, with a pound of sugar you will still have an appetite for quite a bit of fat and protein. - Ray Peat


    I looked online, but couldn't find out how much sugar a gallon of orange juice contains. Does anyone know?

    I found this: Some organic orange juice brands listed on the USDA database had as much as 41.67 g of sugar in a 100 ml serving
    How Much Sugar Does Your Orange Juice Have?

    A gallon is equal to 3785 ml, then according to the above, it would make A LOT of sugar...

    This says 250 ml of OJ has 6 teaspoon of sugar, which would make 25 grams.

    Is this true, anyone know? I know there will be variations in oranges (different kind, ripeness, cultivation conditions etc.), but can someone give a reasonable range for a gallon (or a litre) of OJ?

    If 250 ml OJ has 25 grams of sugar, then a gallon of OJ would have about 375 grams of sugar.
     
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    230g of carbohydrate in a gallon of OJ.
    cronometer.com
     
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    Are you worried about sugar consumption? Many people on this forum are consuming around 400 grams per day.
     
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    I have never heard him say a gallon. I think I have more often I have heard 1-2 quarts of OJ and the same 1-2 quarts of milk. But I think that would be a type of elemental diet meant to cure or heal and which would exclude most other things.
     
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    Logan-

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    Thanks for the replies.

    I am not worried about sugar consumption, I consume about 250 grams every day. I wanted to know how much sugar Ray Peat consumes in a day.
     
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    He seems to fluctuate his OJ intake. One time I heard him say he was drinking as little as half a quart.
     
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    Making sure the orange juice is high quality is the limiting factor with its consumption in a Ray Peat context.
     
  9. Sourdoughbanana

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    Always keep this in mind if consuming high amounts of sugar though:

    Effect of Magnesium Deficiency on Lipid Metabolism in Rats Fed a High Carbohydrate Diet | The Journal of Nutrition | Oxford Academic

    and

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0098299702000900

    from the full paper:

    Also check those out:

    - Bolan, T.W., Jasmen, A., Scott, S., et al., 1994. Dietary magnesium prevents fructose-induced insulin insensitivity in rats. Hypertension 23, 1036–1039.

    - Bolan, T.W., Gu, J.L., Tokuyama, Y., et al., 1995. Magnesium supplementation reduces development of diabetes in rat model of spontaneous NIDDM. Am. J. Physiol. 269, E745–752.


    Keep all minerals high on high sugar diets.
     
  10. Tenacity

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    Yeah. This was discussed on Danny Roddy's last Patreon show. I've now switched from UHT to freshly squeezed juice, and although I can now afford less the difference in taste and smell is incredible.
     
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    Can we say that most people on this forum are consuming around 400 grams per day? Or, does this apply to "many people" mainly?
     
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    Why not make a poll and find out? There's possibly already one on the forum.
     
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    Yes, I prefer less intake of high quality fresh squeezed OJ compared to higher amounts of lesser quality OJ.
     
  15. Sourdoughbanana

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    looked it up on Cronometer... I do get 480g net carbs split this way:
    - 180g starch (potatoes, buckwheat, bananas)
    - 230g sugar (yogurt, oj, fruits)
    - 70g mysterious carbs

    that and 60g fiber.
     
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    Are you getting that by subtracting sugar and starch from the total? I think fibre is included in that figure.
     
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    I'm not sure tbh. It says total carbs, then fiber, then starch and sugar, then "net carbs". I think it's probably some of the foods not 100% correctly added in
     
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    Net carbs for me is exactly total carbs minus fibre. The net carb total is also close to starch + sugar combined, only 10g missing. Fibre is technically a carbohydrate.
     
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    Well Peat recommends the average person eats at least 250 grams of carbs per day. And again, that's a minimum. From what I can gather almost everyone here who is following Peat's recommendations actually tend to eat a lot more than that. I know I feel better when I'm fueled with carbs, particularly fructose. There is a certain elevated feeling of euphoria which I have to connect with the combination of being fueled by enough sugar, and keeping the gut free of irritation by consuming very little to no starch. Whenever I eat starch, such as bread, grains, or even potatoes, I notice that I become more irritable and less happy. So ultimately I am always eating over 300 grams of carbs per day, and sometimes over 400.
     
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    I have the same experiences.
     
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