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You ever take B6 which converts tryptophan to niacin instead of serotonin?
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One of the few things I haven't tested. Do you know the recommended dosage?You ever take B6 which converts tryptophan to niacin instead of serotonin?
When I googled B6 it says that it raises serotonin, but maybe it's dose dependent? I'll look into taurine as well, thanks.P5P is the safe form recommended here. I think Ray says 5mg a day is good. I have 50 mg capsules and open them up and pour out a little at a time. It is always best to split up the dosage of b-vitamins, since they are water-soluble and come out when you urinate; so even splitting 5mg through out the day would give you better efficiency in utilization.
B6 also is touted to increase dopamine and protein utilization.
Zinc helps you utilize proteins and vitamin a as well I believe.
Taurine is stated to be anti-serotonin and increasing the utilization of proteins as well.
I read Haidut's post but it didn't make me any wiser unfortunately, lol. The shipping to Sweden is $56 from that site, insane. Hopefully it's CAD.I don't know how to answer your question
Its obviously not something you've studied thoroughly. You should track down the MAPS information that Haidut posted and read the thread
and I think you'll be able to comfortably answer your own question.
imho the "safe" option is what I posted that is in agreement with the mfg recommendation.
if you want to do something different I can't comment because its not what I have any experience with.
Frankly I don't think there's a "safety" issue either way.
I do think that if you use the IMpower product with the dosage you want to use it won't harm you but
you will be getting less overall protein than your should.
I dunno how much of the RPPPS my body would accept now though due to the currently extreme tryptophan sensitivity. I hit toxicity too many times recently so I'll have to pay for it now. In the future I'll go back to making some RPPPS, even though it's a pain to make.Best Food-based option:
Ray Peat Potato Protein Soup (RPPPS)
If you're going the BCAA route, I would suggest Bulk Sups in gel-caps:
https://www.amazon.com/Branched-Cha...1DXUThA78L&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch&th=1
And then add the other Amino Acids from Haidut's thread:
Amino Acid Supplementation For People With Poor Digestion
The BCAA's listed in earlier posts are probably better quality, but the price might be too high for some.
It is discussed here about the dosage; lower dose anti-serotonin/pro-dopamine, recommended to consume the same time as proteins:When I googled B6 it says that it raises serotonin, but maybe it's dose dependent? I'll look into taurine as well, thanks.
Cheers.It is discussed here about the dosage; lower dose anti-serotonin/pro-dopamine, recommended to consume the same time as proteins:
B6 Increases Serotonin
I read Haidut's post but it didn't make me any wiser unfortunately, lol. The shipping to Sweden is $56 from that site, insane. Hopefully it's CAD.
Here is a comparison between AMINO PRO and some common proteins.
6 caps of AMINO PRO is just over 3G of protein but it's pure aminos and doesn't need to be digested. So it's nearly 100% utilizable.
Egg is the best whole protein and we lose about 55% in the conversion process to ammonia. So 6 caps is just over 3 grams, and a whole egg is about 6 grams @45% protein retention so 6 caps is about one egg.
With Dairy we lose about 70% to ammonia.
Meat/fish/poultry we lose about 75%
Plant proteins we lose >85%
So using these examples 6 caps =
10g of dairy protein
12g of meat/fish/poultry
18g of plant protein
So what do those look like in serving sizes?
1.3 cups of skim milk
1.4 oz of rib eye no viable fat eaten
410g of cooked quinoa
At regular price 1800 caps is $199 (300 servings) or $0.66/serving
What does 1.3 cups of skim milk or 1.4 oz of Rib Eye cost?
Oh, now I understand where the shopping cost is coming from, I had no idea you were a small company. I really appreciate your offer - thank you.
Since I'm extremely protein deficient and mildly underweight, does it really matter if I take amino acids on an empty stomach? The body should crave the aminos the most, right? I wanna take it before the potatoes to decrease the tryptophan transportation to the brain.
While waiting for the impower mix to arrive, I've ordered all the aminos needed except threonine which won't arrive for about 2 weeks. What happens if I take all the aminos except threonine on an empty stomach 20 minutes before eating a meal of potatoes? I've read that threonine "most often" is not made from keto acids, whatever that means.
We, meaning my wife and I and dozens for friends beta-tested this stuff on ourselves with mixed powders but the difference between the set ratios in AMINO Pro and trying to measure them out with scales and micro spoons is night and day. The process works but there is no comparison, and to be honest the cost of buying all the aminos is sufficient to meet one 1800 cap bottle of AMINO Pro was about $175 USD before shipping. Furthermore the ingredients weren't of the same caliber or quality even coming from Nutribio or similar companies. We even approached Nutribio and a few others to see if they would manufacture for us - their cost was astronomical. They would have had to sell the same bottle at $300 USD ++
As to your question on timing - I wouldn't take them alone, although some do, because I believe if your blood glucose is low you will be likely to convert them all to glucose. One of the reasons for a high carb intake is to be protein (amino) sparing.... so take at least some OJ with them.
The vegetables give me some much needed vitamins. I don't eat much of them, and I boil them thoroughly.My first question would be why vegetables? and if you are going to eat them how are you cooking them? The fiber alone can be really problematic.
Then why just rice and so much butter?
There is histidine, methionine and tryptophan in rice. How long would you eat like this?
There is a lot of information missing to give your question context. So without knowing more let me say that I wouldn't do that, but know that one of the things that Amino Pro is really good at is improving the quality of the other foods you are eating because of how it works i.e. the way glycine and cysteine can form glutathione and histidine and beta alanine can form carnosine... the vast majority of the people trying Amino Pro have been from the RP community but we started out with the intent to help a friend with kidney failure. It just grew slowly from that. I hope that helps.
Is there any way to lower the amount of protein converting to ammonia from foods?Here is a comparison between AMINO PRO and some common proteins.
6 caps of AMINO PRO is just over 3G of protein but it's pure aminos and doesn't need to be digested. So it's nearly 100% utilizable.
Egg is the best whole protein and we lose about 55% in the conversion process to ammonia. So 6 caps is just over 3 grams, and a whole egg is about 6 grams @45% protein retention so 6 caps is about one egg.
With Dairy we lose about 70% to ammonia.
Meat/fish/poultry we lose about 75%
Plant proteins we lose >85%
So using these examples 6 caps =
10g of dairy protein
12g of meat/fish/poultry
18g of plant protein
So what do those look like in serving sizes?
1.3 cups of skim milk
1.4 oz of rib eye no viable fat eaten
410g of cooked quinoa
At regular price 1800 caps is $199 (300 servings) or $0.66/serving
What does 1.3 cups of skim milk or 1.4 oz of Rib Eye cost?