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TocoVit - Liquid Vitamin E From Wheat Germ Oil

Discussion in 'IdeaLabs' started by haidut, May 6, 2016.

  1. OP
    haidut

    haidut Member

    True, maybe the CO2 supercritical extraction removes them. I will ask anyways.
     
  2. Wilfrid

    Wilfrid Member

    Ok, thanks.
    BTW I really like the new version of Tocovit, you have made a wonderful product, congrats.
     
  3. OP
    haidut

    haidut Member

    Awesome, thanks! So glad to hear it!
     
  4. paymanz

    paymanz Member

    I dont think so.
    Are those minerals soluble in oil?

    And wheat germ has lots of phytates and that blocks manganese absorption.
     
  5. Amazoniac

    Amazoniac Member

    It's not that, because they're not meant to be eaten, it's more like.. why are they appearing together?

    I forgot to comment about the reason for including the vitamin A quote. Raymond mentioned somevvhere that these vitamins have to lock together. If you don't have adequate vitamin A and add a disproportionate amount of E, it can behave oddly.
    Max of the Gersons gave juiced carrots to patients and flushed bile with coffee enemas, there was a lot of carotenes being absorbed. Making it work right can be a task. When the metabolism is weak, the body has difficulty handling nutrients, it appears that they just pass through. Vitamin A depends on a lot of factors to work properly. For a slowered person, it can be beneficial to add nutrients in conjunction, otherwise by the time you try to lock all those factors, they're probably already lost or used for another purpose (after all, the body is likely desperate for them).

    Carotenes in greater amounts can be detrimental but they can also be an useful tool to grasp the proper dosing of cofactors in a safer way. And like it was mentioned, the changes are visible: it's easier to know when you're bearing the excess, when things are moving on the right direction, how other nutrients are affecting, etc, all that with a greater range of control for the body.
     
  6. Wagner83

    Wagner83 Member

    I wonder if this is a reason why estroban works well.
     
  7. Dhair

    Dhair Member

    @haidut Is there any reason why this could make a person nauseous and put them in a not very good mood? I typically just leave it in my mouth and don't swallow it, so I don't think it's a serotonin issue, but I could be wrong.
     
  8. debored13

    debored13 Member

    For anyone who has tried this, what's a good starting dose, and how long should one wait before redosing?
     
  9. debored13

    debored13 Member

    i'm just gonna go with the 20 drops, or maybe start with 10
     
  10. OP
    haidut

    haidut Member

    The policosanols may irritate the gut in some people, and produce similar effects to MCT - nausea and discomfort. It seems to pass after a few days. Also, some people reported even pure vitamin E giving them such symptoms and some have tied it to immune activation. I think @Wilfrid had poor experience with vitamin E due to his GI issues.
     
  11. debored13

    debored13 Member

    besides antagonizing K2, is there any reason not to take this daily, at the RDA? i know ray had calcium issues from wheat germ oil but iirc that was high dose for awhile, plus it was wheat germ oil
     
  12. debored13

    debored13 Member

    besides the increased bleeding would there be any other harmful effects from taking it daily for short periods? the reason I ask is I don't have a perfectly pufa free diet and i've found tocovit very helpful so far... seems protective. I take k
     
  13. OP
    haidut

    haidut Member

    For PUFA protection even much lower doses are sufficient. But using 800 IU daily for a few weeks did not seem to cause any issues in the human studies that looked at it.
     
  14. Amazoniac

    Amazoniac Member

    It's also a good source of molybdenum. It isn't difficult to not get enough in a diet without seeds (legumes, grains, nuts), shellfish or organ meats.
     
  15. Bart1

    Bart1 Member

    @haidut. I ordered some tocovit. Should I use it topically on my forearm or is oral the way to go ? What is the recommended (daily?) dosage, I have a lot of problems with estrogen dominance. Should I take this together with D and K2 or should I leave some time in between ? thanks!
     
  16. OP
    haidut

    haidut Member

    Topically at 10-20 drops a day should be good enough. I can be used at the same time as vitamin D but should be used a few hours away from vitamin K.
     
  17. Waynish

    Waynish Member

    Why wouldn't this advice translate to food too? For example, we eat a bunch of cheese in a PUFA dinner and then take vitamin E?
     
  18. Amazoniac

    Amazoniac Member

    Guru, I was reading the comments on the Magnoil thread, I still owe you a 'pimp my ear'-type of video, with morphing transitions, spinning earrings and all.
     
  19. OP
    haidut

    haidut Member

    You mean use food to substitute for vitamin E? Please clarify.
     
  20. jaakkima

    jaakkima Member

    This new formulation is amazing. It isn't irritating my gut at all, while all other E's have (though I hadn't yet tried dry E), including the older Tocovit... making me feel not right and probably causing more trouble than they solved. I think this might be the missing link/magic bullet for me. It is making me feel joyous, energetic, social, and almost normal (first E I've tried that affected me this way), so I want to try using it in trying to get off blood thinners. I hope the product will stay in this form for the foreseeable future.
     
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