There Is No Overpopulation

[Rafael Lao Wai]

I've always noticed how misanthropy was embedded in society. From hardcore vegans saying that humans are like a cancer, to the more mild, but still very toxic, governmental propaganda to lower child birth rates, there seems to be an anti- human sentiment going around. Neo- Darwinism could be seen as another weapon to make sick people give up on healing and not reproduce, in order not to pass the "bad genes" to their offspring. People are actually subjecting themselves to vasectomies to " not contribute to the overpopulation problem".

Along with the climate change hoax, this drives people to think that there is no abundance, and that we need to eat to preserve the planet, as if there was actually a shortage of food. The United Nations is promoting a plant- based diet to "lower the carbon footprint caused by animal agriculture", which is just ridiculous, since animals raised on pasture, especially ruminant animals, have a negative carbon footprint. The proposition that there are too many people on the planet comes from the UN, so, as I see it, it comes down to trusting their statement( no, thanks).

Just by knowing that this idea is being promoted so heavily by the government, it should already make anyone suspicious, since the government allowed corporations to poison people with PUFAs, radiation "treatments", iron, birth control, SSRIs, GMO foods, fluoride, vaccines, etc, even though it was already scientifically known that these things were terrible for people.

Lastly, how can there be too many people, since so many died and still die due to wars, diseases, abortions, crime, starvation, medical errors, etc.? Especially considering that a couple needs to have 2 children( assuming neither of them die) just to maintain the population.

Fertility is now probably at the lowest that it's ever being, and having many children isn't common anymore. My aunt had 8 siblings, and my mother has 3. I don't have any. My cousin also doesn't. I never met any couple( from my parents' generation) in real life that had 8 children or more. Not to mention the rise in many diseases that can affect children's future, so even if people were to have more children, they would have to take measures to guarantee that they are healthy, or else, they may have a disabled child/ children.

What do you think? Am I missing something?

Some links:
There's No Such Thing as Overpopulation
Remarkable Decline In Fertility - Half The World Below Replacement Levels


PS: please don't crucify me for linking to a sv-three-rige video.

 

[Noodlz2]

I think overcrowding is the real concern that people generally conflate with overpopulation. Life would be better if there were more space between "home spaces", major transportation corridors, and businesses. I don't want to be breathing tire and exhaust particulates from the 40mph road 30ft from my house. I don't want to be subject to my neighbor's use of fertilizers, pesticides, air fresheners, detergents, etc. I don't want to be across from a hotel that has their fluorescent lighting on 24/7 for the benefit of their tenants.

There is way more than enough space on earth for these to not be problems. Infrastructure and maybe social stubbornness are the limiting factors I think.

 

[Julles]

I think you are somewhat right. In 1994 UN release a report claiming that only 5% of the Earth surface was seen by the naked eye of man.

I believe we are close to 7-8 billion people but we are most all together in the same places and there is more than enough for everyone. Resources are poorly distributed.

The scale is heavily tipped to greedy bellys. Some new ideias introduced in the latest years are very good like drones, automation and AI, this alone could sustain probably the triple of humanity. But monetary resources good only to wars. How come there are super sonic rockets that blow peoples houses but there are none super sonic rockets to deliver food or medications? how come there is not a supersonic rocket to save someone from drowning at sea?

Lets execute ideas that improve the Earth for mankind.

Start with genetic socio/psicopathy tests for high ranking positions in government, military and large companies.

 

[Runenight201]

At the end of the day wouldn’t it all boil down to resource availability and space? There’s plenty of space, are there plenty of resources?

 

[Noodlz2]

At the end of the day wouldn’t it all boil down to resource availability and space? There’s plenty of space, are there plenty of resources?

As far as my experience goes, I've never been in want of something I can't get. This is probably different for different segments of society, but for middle class Americans and above, they can probably afford to live where they want, eat want they want, and do what they want within reason. Social pressures get in the way. Expectations for a certain kind of "quality of life" probably do too.

 

[tankasnowgod]

I think overcrowding is the real concern that people generally conflate with overpopulation. Life would be better if there were more space between "home spaces", major transportation corridors, and businesses. I don't want to be breathing tire and exhaust particulates from the 40mph road 30ft from my house. I don't want to be subject to my neighbor's use of fertilizers, pesticides, air fresheners, detergents, etc. I don't want to be across from a hotel that has their fluorescent lighting on 24/7 for the benefit of their tenants.

There is way more than enough space on earth for these to not be problems. Infrastructure and maybe social stubbornness are the limiting factors I think.

Even Overcrowding is a bit of a myth. My science teacher in middle school did an experiment where we marked out an acre, and put 30 of us on that acre. It was quite a bit of space. We then were asked where we could fit the world's pop (which I think was estimated to be 4-5 Billion at that time) into a space. We all guess things like several continents or something the size of the pacific ocean, but she revealed that the state of Texas would house everyone at that rate, along with thousands of acres to spare. Even if the pop is triple from that time, we should still all fit in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. 12-20 people per acre is pretty easy, as a family home on 1/4 of an acre that houses 4-6 people can be quite nice with lots of space. Thinking about skyscrappers in places like NY, you might be able to house 1000s of people per acre.

 

[Kunstruct]

Sometimes I am under the impression many people on this forum do not listen to people in real life, probably many just preach to those around them and do not have the time to listen to them.

People deliberately chose not to have children, use birth control, use condoms, do abortions and I know this not because of statistics, because I know people who simply say they do this.

Since the proliferation of smartphone, rise of the internet and video pornography, non-vaginal ejaculation is the norm with casual sex or the use of a condom.
Sexual interaction with multiple partners is also not going to bring on children.
Today you do not have to leave a woman pregnant to be with you. I know at least two women who keep asking their partners for a child and they refuse, yet that did not made them to leave them. Now this would have been a major issue 50 years ago, hardly any today.
Unless you are living under a rock you would know this. Not sure exactly why people are so fascinated by the lack of fertility when this is how people interact sexually today.

 

[Kunstruct]

Thinking about skyscrappers in places like NY

I do not want to live in concrete jungles, way too robotic, unconnected to nature, but for most that appears both rational and desirable especially since being a slave in the system is what most want to be anyway, job-supermarket-4wallhome-repeat.

 

[Noodlz2]

Even Overcrowding is a bit of a myth. My science teacher in middle school did an experiment where we marked out an acre, and put 30 of us on that acre. It was quite a bit of space. We then were asked where we could fit the world's pop (which I think was estimated to be 4-5 Billion at that time) into a space. We all guess things like several continents or something the size of the pacific ocean, but she revealed that the state of Texas would house everyone at that rate, along with thousands of acres to spare. Even if the pop is triple from that time, we should still all fit in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. 12-20 people per acre is pretty easy, as a family home on 1/4 of an acre that houses 4-6 people can be quite nice with lots of space. Thinking about skyscrappers in places like NY, you might be able to house 1000s of people per acre.

Interesting fact, but I don't think that suggests overcrowding is a myth. I think the population density is too high if I am effected negatively by activities that could be solved if I placed more space in between the activity and me. So even if you could house dozens of people in an apartment, and most people thought that was comfortable, having cooking smoke waft into my room through air vents would make me think "I'm too close to that source of discomfort, hence we are overcrowded". It's probably subjective based on what people are able to perceive.

Sometimes I am under the impression many people on this forum do not listen to people in real life, probably many just preach to those around them and do not have the time to listen to them.

People deliberately chose not to have children, use birth control, use condoms, do abortions and I know this not because of statistics, because I know people who simply say they do this.

Since the proliferation of smartphone, rise of the internet and video pornography, non-vaginal ejaculation is the norm with casual sex or the use of a condom.
Sexual interaction with multiple partners is also not going to bring on children.
Today you do not have to leave a woman pregnant to be with you. I know at least two women who keep asking their partners for a child and they refuse, yet that did not made them to leave them. Now this would have been a major issue 50 years ago, hardly any today.
Unless you are living under a rock you would know this. Not sure exactly why people are so fascinated by the lack of fertility when this is how people interact sexually today.

I don't think the parent poster is fascinated by a drop in fertility. Just that this drop suggests that overpopulation is not a problem and probably won't be in the near future.

 

[danishispsychic]

I guess you don't live in Los Angeles.

 

[Kunstruct]

I guess you don't live in Los Angeles.

You know infact one might be living in a place and have close to no knowledge about it, I have met so many people in large cities who will literally say they only know the streets where they have to live, go to a store and where they pass thru going to a job.
Often time I notice tourists asking locals about how to reach an area and the locals do not know those areas, so it is perfectly possible to live isolated in a vast and crowded place and not knowing what happens in your own city, point at which only polls and media becomes relevant to one's info about their own place of living.

 

[MetabolicTrash]

I kind of agree with the idea that overpopulating is mostly a perpetuated myth or "boogeyman" sort of thing.

Also, seeing more life being brought in to the world as inherently bad is somewhat of a negative/pessimistic way of seeing things. Not saying it's some great thing just by being given life by itself (some cases it is indeed bad such as bringing a baby in to a horrible environment/lots of stress/etc.), but looking at it like some devil-ish horror by wanting to have kids seems equally off the mark -- especially if the kid is being born to a good environment from healthy parents and will have no major stresses/lots of pleasure basically, which is the life we all pretty much want. If that kind of great life was a sure thing, I doubt many would vouch against one having/experiencing it as much as arguing against increasing birth rates with the position of scarcity/suffering/stress which does indeed make a much better argument.

I think if overpopulation -- like many big, people-connected/socially involved tragedies -- would be known by all/most if it was truly a problem. Overcrowding is not the same thing as overpopulated, as one implies too many people and not enough space -- the other just suggests more like not enough means/resources for the people. There are always more and more resources -- that is not the problem as of now at least (so the overpopulation touting is a weak argument or stance probably).

 

[postman]

It's funny how all the propaganda outlets tell us how bad it is to have children and that to save the climate we must have fewer children etc. while at the same time telling us that we are despicable racists if we don't accept replacement migrants, families who have 6 children or more per family, and of course nobody is telling them to have less kids. They also say that to sustain our welfare systems we need to take them in as we stopped having children of our own, despite them being a net cost. It's all just a big scam, every piece of it.

@Rafael Lao Wai One thing that you might be missing is that the population is increasing at a rapid pace in Africa and in parts of Asia.

 

[methylenewhite]

I guess you have never been in China or India, Indonesia or Vietnam. Nigeria, Bangladesh, Pakistan too. Choose your favorite overpopulated destination to travel.

And don't forget to check environment destruction rates in these countries.

 

[lampofred]

Ironically I think the more they try to reduce fertility (via PUFA, starch, iron, etc.) the more the population will grow because reduced fertility (high estrogen) increases sexual desire. The two places that are the most hypothyroid (China, India) have the largest populations.

Probably the only way to both reduce fertility and reduce the population is to do things so extreme that you are directly trying to castrate everybody.

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Of course there is overpopulation which is the cause of overcrowding.

If so many people wouldn’t live in huge cities there wouldn’t be the space available to produce the food for these city- and slum-dwellers if they settled on fertile lands all of a sudden. And there wouldn’t be huge private properties. Don’t forget that. Land is owned by people, rich people.

What’s so great about humans? Many are stupid or ugly or lazy or violent. Does it seem that 40 years ago the billions less people in the world felt lonely? I don’t thing they felt that way.

@postman
Yup. It’s madness here. You surely have seen the coverage these days where they state that overpopulation isn’t an issue because it will peak at 11 billion and then go backwards. These climate-safer-fanatics are beyond rationality already.

 

[lvysaur]

One thing that you might be missing is that the population is increasing at a rapid pace in Africa and in parts of Asia.

Garbage graph. Why segregate Europe but not the other unique ethnoracial regions of the world? I might as well say that the media is "anti-Japanese", since Japanese constitute only 1% of the world population, and "Nonjapan" constitutes 99%.

The west is the second most overpopulated cultural/racial region on earth, right behind continental India.

And "overpopulation" (which is just a white-politically-correct term for high population density, since the west is equally overpopulated) is simply the result of western conquest and hegemony starting from the 1500s. If population densities stayed low in India or China, then the west would have just invaded them and you'd be back where you were, only with a simple flavor change of the people residing there. That's what happened to the Native Americans.

I realize this is a politically incorrect reality for many of the braindead fascists who may read this.

 

[postman]

Garbage graph. Why segregate Europe but not the other unique ethnoracial regions of the world? I might as well say that the media is "anti-Japanese", since Japanese constitute only 1% of the world population, and "Nonjapan" constitutes 99%.

The west is the second most overpopulated cultural/racial region on earth, right behind continental India.

And "overpopulation" (which really is just a euphemism for high population density, since the west is just as overpopulated) is simply the result of western conquest and hegemony starting from the 1500s. If population densities stayed low in India or China, then the west would have just invaded them and you'd be back where you were, only with a simple flavor change of the people residing there.

What are you even trying to say, I really don't understand

 

[lvysaur]

What are you even trying to say, I really don't understand

One thing that you might be missing is that the population is increasing at a rapid pace in Africa and in parts of Asia.

The population IS NOT rising in Asia. The only places where fertility rates are rising is Africa and the Middle East. Fertility rates in East Asia and even India are on par with or lower than the west's.

This deliberate obfuscation is just a tactic that white fascists use to create white panic.

Myth: The west is underpopulated.

 

[postman]

The population IS NOT rising in Asia. The only places where fertility rates are rising is Africa and the Middle East. Fertility rates in East Asia and even India are on par with or lower than the west's.

This deliberate obfuscation is just a tactic that white fascists use to create white panic.

Myth: The west is underpopulated.

I literally said "in parts of Asia". The Middle East is part of Asia. It wouldn't surprise me if the population is growing in other parts of Asia as well. You seem to be reading things that I did not type. By the way, Japan, for example, is currently under pressure from some of the very same groups as the west is to open their borders. Hopefully they will not be as foolish as western Europeans and Americans have been. I don't know if you're saying that Japanese people are distinct from other Asian peoples, and that European peoples are not distinct from each other, but if that's what you're implying it's a pretty weird thing to say.

As for your link, I didn't say that Europe is overpopulated compared to Africa. I didn't say any part of the world is overpopulated or underpopulated. I've never even heard the argument that Europe is underpopulated lol. Africa is a massive continent, if anything it is underpopulated, if we go by land mass alone. The original poster claimed to not be seeing any population increases and I pointed out that the current population increases are taking place in Africa and in parts of Asia.

I do think it's weird how left-wing psychotics who are having mental breakdowns about the climate and demand that Europeans have fewer children or none at all, at the same time celebrate when other races have kids, or at least refuse to levy the same cultural pressures on them to have fewer kids as they do on white people. Of course if these people actually wanted to lower CO2 output they would be against mass immigration in the first place but it's not about that, it's about having an emotional breakdown and demanding lowered living standards, because that's what the telly told them to do. Also pretty funny that overpopulation is apparently a "white term", i've never heard a racist make such an assertion before!