„Night Of The Witches“ – Day Of The Idiots

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Reed reported events as he lived them. His books give facts backing up his views.
Whether the interpretation is correct or not is a matter for everyone to judge.

In any case his work cannot be resumed as "down with the Jews" quote by Orwell. That was a cop out of someone unwilling to argue the facts because he was following an agenda.

I am not sure what you are trying to show by quoting Orwell's Socialist Philosophy. As I said he was a Socialist so you have no argument with me there. However your original point was that Orwell couldn't be trusted because 1)he didnt denounce the Fabian Socialists enough and 2) he criticized Douglas Reed, who according to you is above reproach.

Well the first is clearly incorrect. As I already mentioned Orwell did criticize the Fabians over and over, indirectly in 1984 and directly in The Road To Wigan Pier. Being a heartfelt socialist is very different than being an exploitative Fabian. Here is one example from Wiggan Pier, The Webbs being the founders of Fabianism and the Coles, the Stracheys and GB Shaw being prominent members..

""...The ugly fact is that most middle-class Socialists, while theoretically pining for a class-less society, cling like glue to their miserable fragments of social prestige....The Coles, Webbs, Stracheys, etc., are not exactly proletarian writers...Sometimes I look at a Socialist — the intellectual, tract-writing type of Socialist, with his pullover, his fuzzy hair, and his Marxian quotation — and wonder what the devil his motive really is. It is often difficult to believe that it is a love of anybody, especially of the working class, from whom he is of all people the furthest removed. The underlying motive of many Socialists, I believe, is simply a hypertrophied sense of order. The present state of affairs offends them not because it causes misery, still less because it makes freedom impossible, but because it is untidy; what they desire, basically, is to reduce the world to something resembling a chessboard. Take the plays of a lifelong Socialist like Shaw. How much understanding or even awareness of working-class life do they display? ... You get the same thing in a more mealy-mouthed form in Mrs Sidney Webb's autobiography, which gives, unconsciously, a most revealing picture of the high-minded Socialist slum-visitor. The truth is that, to many people calling themselves Socialists, revolution does not mean a movement of the masses with which they hope to associate themselves; it means a set of reforms which 'we', the clever ones, are going to impose upon 'them', the Lower Orders...""


As for Douglass Reed, saying that Reed just reported the facts is your opinion. Orwell also lived during that time and had a very different opinion on what those facts were. To check for myself I just read through a summary of Reeds posthumous book the Controversy of Zion and as suspected it was just a rehash of every other grand Jewish conspiracy that has been promoted for the last 300 hundred years. In my opinion Reed was either a propagandist for the ruling elite or an anti-Semitic Useful Idiot who actually believed the garbage that he wrote. But from what I can tell, he deserved all the scorn that Orwell threw upon him.

 

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I am not sure what you are trying to show by quoting Orwell's Socialist Philosophy. As I said he was a Socialist so you have no argument with me there. However your original point was that Orwell couldn't be trusted because 1)he didnt denounce the Fabian Socialists enough and 2) he criticized Douglas Reed, who according to you is above reproach.

Well the first is clearly incorrect. As I already mentioned Orwell did criticize the Fabians over and over, indirectly in 1984 and directly in The Road To Wigan Pier. Being a heartfelt socialist is very different than being an exploitative Fabian. Here is one example from Wiggan Pier, The Webbs being the founders of Fabianism and the Coles, the Stracheys and GB Shaw being prominent members..

""...The ugly fact is that most middle-class Socialists, while theoretically pining for a class-less society, cling like glue to their miserable fragments of social prestige....The Coles, Webbs, Stracheys, etc., are not exactly proletarian writers...Sometimes I look at a Socialist — the intellectual, tract-writing type of Socialist, with his pullover, his fuzzy hair, and his Marxian quotation — and wonder what the devil his motive really is. It is often difficult to believe that it is a love of anybody, especially of the working class, from whom he is of all people the furthest removed. The underlying motive of many Socialists, I believe, is simply a hypertrophied sense of order. The present state of affairs offends them not because it causes misery, still less because it makes freedom impossible, but because it is untidy; what they desire, basically, is to reduce the world to something resembling a chessboard. Take the plays of a lifelong Socialist like Shaw. How much understanding or even awareness of working-class life do they display? ... You get the same thing in a more mealy-mouthed form in Mrs Sidney Webb's autobiography, which gives, unconsciously, a most revealing picture of the high-minded Socialist slum-visitor. The truth is that, to many people calling themselves Socialists, revolution does not mean a movement of the masses with which they hope to associate themselves; it means a set of reforms which 'we', the clever ones, are going to impose upon 'them', the Lower Orders...""


As for Douglass Reed, saying that Reed just reported the facts is your opinion. Orwell also lived during that time and had a very different opinion on what those facts were. To check for myself I just read through a summary of Reeds posthumous book the Controversy of Zion and as suspected it was just a rehash of every other grand Jewish conspiracy that has been promoted for the last 300 hundred years. In my opinion Reed was either a propagandist for the ruling elite or an anti-Semitic Useful Idiot who actually believed the garbage that he wrote. But from what I can tell, he deserved all the scorn that Orwell threw upon him.

Occult Yorkshire: Fabian Family Secrets and Cultural Engineering in the UK (Intro)
My brother was a lousy Fabian. He tore off the sheep clothes and openly embodied the wolf. He didn’t want to please but to offend—to please by offending. My grandfather posed as the soul of virtue and community values but behind the scenes he was a ruthless businessman and something much more than that (as I think this work will show). Sebastian put the hidden, criminal aspect of our family heirloom to the fore. He strove to take moral turpitude as far as it could be taken, “to turn decadence into a virtue [and] make the soul monstrous.” As I realized while writing Seen and Not Seen, for all his proud defiance of conventional morality and social conscience, there were almost certainly acts which my brother was involved in that he couldn’t talk about, not only because of legal consequences but also for fear of reprisals from those involved. So while our father and grandfather hid their secret lives behind a cloak of virtue, my brother hid his behind a clock of vice. In many ways, it is an even better disguise.

 

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Occult Yorkshire: Fabian Family Secrets and Cultural Engineering in the UK (Intro)
My brother was a lousy Fabian. He tore off the sheep clothes and openly embodied the wolf. He didn’t want to please but to offend—to please by offending. My grandfather posed as the soul of virtue and community values but behind the scenes he was a ruthless businessman and something much more than that (as I think this work will show). Sebastian put the hidden, criminal aspect of our family heirloom to the fore. He strove to take moral turpitude as far as it could be taken, “to turn decadence into a virtue [and] make the soul monstrous.” As I realized while writing Seen and Not Seen, for all his proud defiance of conventional morality and social conscience, there were almost certainly acts which my brother was involved in that he couldn’t talk about, not only because of legal consequences but also for fear of reprisals from those involved. So while our father and grandfather hid their secret lives behind a cloak of virtue, my brother hid his behind a clock of vice. In many ways, it is an even better disguise.

Very interesting read. Socialism, like all other isms for that matter, are not what they seem to be; truly "a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing." Unfortunately it has been embraced by a majority of Millennials who have been indoctrinated with it from birth.