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Do you think meat creates endotoxin?Don't let go matey, I told you...I'm an optimist \o/
Eat a steak and chug some milk an hr later. Let us know how it goes buddy. I hear chemistry is mostly madeup.
Well you are just going to keep deflecting at this point to not like a contradicting buffoon. So that's the end of that.
Do you think meat creates endotoxin?
No longer speeding up is equivalent to slowing down as long as it's within normal digestive periods, and it's the opposite of what should happen on a diet that's mostly meats (different from the experiments), it has to be evacuated fast, hence the adaptations to shorter guts in carnivores. Humanoids that adopt such diet intuitively include fermentable carbs at some point for good reason.Meat does not constipate you, you go less because meat does not have undigestable bulk that plants do.
I have been reading this forum for years but still have not found the holy grail of eating that provides me with energy, hormones and a lean, strong body. So I am always researching and experimenting on myself. I have just listened to The Carnivore Code by Paul Saladino and would love to hear your opinion if you have also read this book. Some things align with Peat, eg fibers are unnecessary/harmful, however he once again demonises carbs including all fruit and most vegetables, calling them survival foods. What about thyroid health? What happens to our hormones on an all meat diet? Would this be an experiment worth trying? For context, I am hypothyroid taking NDT, I have no progesterone production, energy deficiency, sleep problems and the list goes on
Members wrote also that he talked favourably about Carnivore dieting in one of his interviews.Maybe a member here has a recollection of sorts in regard to that interview-material.
putrefaction is a silly Fairy-Tale,
meat and animal products are good for us,
that is precisely why it gets bad reputation from the mainstream culture,which also recommends to smoke cigars if you are lonely,and drink Ethanol if you are depressed.
He said it was viable if one included dairy. Ray has also said veganism is viable if one approaches it intelligently, so it's not like his opinion justifies anything.
Even a child knows meat rots...
Did someone just tell you meat doesn't spoil, or do you think we digest all of it, or what? Amazoniac has already provided evidence that this isn't the case...
Do you think carnivores have short gi tracts for fun or something? Their stomachs are vastly more acidic than ours and even with that, they still require a digestive system capable of expelling their waste quickly, because despite digesting it a lot better than humans, it is still decaying meat lol
That doesn't mean putrefaction is a fairy tale. Water is good for everyone. It's essential. Therefore drowning is a fairy tale? I mean wtf :P
I am actually editing this because my faith in people is so low after reading this thread that I feel it necessary to point out that I'm being sarcastic about drowning haha. Poe's Law and all that
Sugar, fat, dairy, smoking, drinking all get bad rep from main stream culture. Main stream culture is basically shallow thinking in whatever milieu you're currently exploring.
Meats are the least putrefacting Agents available,and highly digestable.It is the most antiallergenic complex Foodstuff also.
Carnivores have short GI because they can afford to have it,
and enjoy the least amount of microbic interaction.Short GI is just sucking everything up convenience-style.I actually follow the idea that Humans,GI-wise are Carnivore-type,and have no caecum,were fermentation can take place.
we are more like dogs and less like Apes.
Plain Sugar,not Carbohydrate in general, without supplementation IS evil,Wernicke Korsakoff Dementia is an example.Dairy is problematic for lots of people,Peat didnt debunked that idea at all,it is a fact for lots of people,doesnt even matter if no overt symptomatology arises,the unclear Hormonal Activity is already concerning.Smoking and Drinking dont have meaningful existence,and for susceptible Individuals,destroying properties.
I've been on a mostly (red, ruminant) meat for 7 years now. A tiny percentage of my diet, say 5% is stuff that is not red meat, i.e eggs and dairy. I do not eat any vegetable or fruit. AMA. Please check my other posts on the subject.I have been reading this forum for years but still have not found the holy grail of eating that provides me with energy, hormones and a lean, strong body. So I am always researching and experimenting on myself. I have just listened to The Carnivore Code by Paul Saladino and would love to hear your opinion if you have also read this book. Some things align with Peat, eg fibers are unnecessary/harmful, however he once again demonises carbs including all fruit and most vegetables, calling them survival foods. What about thyroid health? What happens to our hormones on an all meat diet? Would this be an experiment worth trying? For context, I am hypothyroid taking NDT, I have no progesterone production, energy deficiency, sleep problems and the list goes on
I've been on a mostly (red, ruminant) meat for 7 years now. A tiny percentage of my diet, say 5% is stuff that is not red meat, i.e eggs and dairy. I do not eat any vegetable or fruit. AMA. Please check my other posts on the subject.
>What does an average meal plan look for you each day?
I may eat one big meal a day or 2 smaller meals a day. These are steaks which I pan sear on either side for a minute ( so the middle is still raw but raw). The only condiment that I add is sea salt, ( not the free flowing salt, which has additives). I do eat eggs and some dairy ( generally butter), but it is sporadic. For example I have not eaten eggs for 2 weeks now.
>Why are you on a keto/carni diet to begin with?
I had mood, sleep and digestive disorders. Digestive - I cannot digest most foods except a select few. After I changed my diet about 80% of my problems resolved. Sleep, and mood were related issues. My sleep was very light, almost never deep. If I did not sleep well, I ended up being listless during the day. The quality of sleep had a direct correlation to my digestive issues. Digestion issues on a 'normal' diet were bloating, ill formed stools or diarrhea.
>What problems do you get with the brands of honey you can't consume?
My sleep, mood problems get worse. ( glad you ask asked about the brand, most people ignore this aspect)
>Oh also what's your opinion on bowel movements lol? According to this thread it's a zero waste diet which is not my experience
Bowel movements - went from once a day to once in 2 days. It is true it's near zero waste. Only a fraction of what I eat is pooped. Often just pellets.
>Also also, what are the drawbacks you've experienced, relative to the positives?
The biggest negative that I find is the so-called adjustment period or the keto flu . This can be pretty devastating for most people and it can permanently discourage a person from experimenting with the carnivore diet. The best antidote that I could find online is that one should consume a lot of salt to alleviate the symptoms (which I personally was not aware off at the time that I started 7 years back).
I eat my steaks the same way and sleep like a baby when I'm on the diet, but I have bacon and eggs in the morning and steak at night - but I actually got the feeling I was consuming too much protein as a result - Has this ever been an issue for you?
I fully agree, this must the template from which all people with severe health issues must start out. Also to be a really specific it has to be red meat from ruminants . It cannot be pork, fish, chicken. Pork and chicken meat can have huge variations depending on what they are fed.I'm still convinced carni is the "cleanest" diet out there,
Don't the Masai warriors, Inuit and Sámi ethnic groups count?I just haven't heard about long term effects (generational anecdotes, I mean)
Age: 45, male Build: skinny/110lb, 5 ft, 7 in. Location: Toronto, Canada. Lifestyle: not active but not sedentary either. I go for a walk for 15 minutes a day, and I cumulatively probably walk for about half an hour at work everyday, i.e walking around the office talking to people. My job is that of a computer programmer so I'm glued to the screen for 8 to 9 hrs.Can I ask your age / location / build / how active your lifestyle is? I'm curious if eating once a day on carni works for full time employment in a very cold and cloudy climate :P
Felt like my world was ending (no , I'm not exaggerating), extreme fatigue at the slightest exertion, feeling crappy and listless. I probably was in bed for 3 days straight, curled up in a fetal position. Things improved significantly in a weeks time. I had calf muscle cramps that took almost a year to resolve but they were manageable.Also what were your symptoms of keto flu?
No. Do not over think this. Use taste as a guide, I recently found out online, that fat hunger and protein hunger are 2 different things, depending on what your body needs. Of course there might be severely mal-adapted people where hunger signs may not accurately reflect what they really need, but my guess is they are probably extremely rare.
I fully agree, this must the template from which all people with severe health issues must start out. Also to be a really specific it has to be red meat from ruminants . It cannot be pork, fish, chicken. Pork and chicken meat can have huge variations depending on what they are fed.
Don't the Masai warriors, Inuit and Sámi ethnic groups count?
Age: 45, male Build: skinny/110lb, 5 ft, 7 in. Location: Toronto, Canada. Lifestyle: not active but not sedentary either. I go for a walk for 15 minutes a day, and I cumulatively probably walk for about half an hour at work everyday, i.e walking around the office talking to people. My job is that of a computer programmer so I'm glued to the screen for 8 to 9 hrs.
Felt like my world was ending (no , I'm not exaggerating), extreme fatigue at the slightest exertion, feeling crappy and listless. I probably was in bed for 3 days straight, curled up in a fetal position. Things improved significantly in a weeks time. I had calf muscle cramps that took almost a year to resolve but they were manageable.
There is something you have to consider here. You cannot compare a carnivore with normal people. There is a selection bias. Many people who go carnivore are people like me ( notice that I'm under weight, a more serious problem than obesity) have had bad health to start with, going carnivore was often a desperate attempt which was in my case. I'm still in worse health than a typical 'normal' person. A fairer comparison would be before and after health of the same person.That's reassuring. I'm skinny too and oddly the healthier looking of the two docs on youtube is also slim. The unhealthier one looks abit like a ham, inflamed skin etc but iirc his bloodwork wasn't awful.
when ever I trie keto or carnivore i get constipated, and after a few days i go to the toilet and it hurts like giving birth and and I stay 4 one hour in the toilet... the amount of faces is enourmous...I don't know why I am surprised at this point that people still have these stupid myths in their head about meat.
Meat does not putrefy in your intestines. You're mistaking meat with plant fibers which we can not digest that are fermented by bacteria in the gut. Meat does not constipate you, you go less because meat does not have undigestable bulk that plants do.
We evolved on vegetables and fruit? Lol... you are worse than those people that believe the Adam and Eve story and how they both lived off of plants entirely until they sinned.
Yeh pure carnivore is not an optimal diet, an omnivorous one is. But you discount meat by saying its bad for the gut, causes constipation, and putrifies. That putrefying part is hilariously wrong and probably the worst myth of all.
The fact that you even take short stints on carnivore diet for your digestion and you keep propagating these bull**** myths about how meat is bad for digestion? Hello?
If you are going to use this "fad" to clear out your gut you should at least understand these myths you keep spouting are completely false and stop passing on BS to others. Meat does not slow mobility, you go less because you literally have less feces building up in your colon because meat creates less waste. Why would you go if you don't have to? Exactly, no reason.
How does carnivore effect your mental abilities / computer programming?Age: 45, male Build: skinny/110lb, 5 ft, 7 in. Location: Toronto, Canada. Lifestyle: not active but not sedentary either. I go for a walk for 15 minutes a day, and I cumulatively probably walk for about half an hour at work everyday, i.e walking around the office talking to people. My job is that of a computer programmer so I'm glued to the screen for 8 to 9 hrs.