Lesson Learned: Dropping All Supplements Is Peat Approved

[DANIEL]

So many people are obsessed with supplements, despite the fact that most have not seen a tangible improvement in their quality of life from them. Perhaps it's due to adopting the belief that a pill will magically cure your problems. At best it's the placebo effect.

Testosterone boosting one here, synthetic vitamins over here, etc.

After spending a ton of money on experimenting with different brands, herbs, and vitamins, I've recently realized what a scam it is. And an expensive one, at that.

All of that money could have gone towards whole foods this entire time, and I would've saved myself money and time from the neuroticism that led to researching different compounds.

Peat himself has spoken against the supplement industry and does not advocate the use of them.

"Any natural food is extremely purified, any supplement made chemically is going to be dirty, just in principle."

"One of the problems [with supplements] is that you don't get the unnamed and unidentified nutrients that are in any living tissue.

For example, in mushrooms, the content has hardly been sketched out,—there are thousands of potentially valuable nutrients or paranutritional substances, things that influence your quality of life that simply haven't been identified and tested."



Not to mention that any contamination, fillers, pill casings, etc. could irritate the gut and potentially stimulate the release of endotoxin.

Furthermore, if we starting viewing food differently, as vibrations that raise our life-force, it would make sense why lab-made substances most likely HARM our body.

Any isolated vitamin, even the fat solubles, likely causes deficiencies in minerals and unknown substances due to being unbalanced and unlike anything found in Nature.

And if a supplement increases the rate of some metabolic process it could eventually deplete some other substances involved in that process and can short circuit paths to healing.

If anything, supplements should be used for the bare minimum amount of time to elevate one out of a degenerative state, NOT to support an individual who is already healthy.

We've somehow forgotten what the word "supplement" means and now subconsciously view them as mandatory.

Sunlight, sleep, socializing, and great nutrition from whole foods is key. If you get those on lock, then you won't need to spend your money on popping unnecessary pills, creams, topical drops, or consuming powders.

Thoughts? Has anyone else also dropped all supplements after being obsessed with them?

 

[Kram]

Somewhat agree. Most supplements probably aren't going to do much (and can do more harm than good especially over the long term) but I can find it difficult to get enough nutrition from food alone so do supplement a few things. Also, eating healthy isn't always enough for metabolically compromised people to get things working right.

 

[Inaut]

I've drastically cut down on supplements recently and have found myself to be better for. +1

 

[GelatinGoblin]

The end goal of ideal health is living off of sourdough bread and water and still feeling well. Unfortunately nowadays it is becoming a rarity and we have to mitigate the damage.

For me I have cut down on everything, I only dissolve the contents of a good quality B Vitamin complex in some water, throw away the pill casing. Many other users do this as well. Paraphrasing, the contamination of many supplements are a great drawback as is unknown deficiencies caused by an consumption of an isolated nutrient.

Only thing though... Maybe some oral or topical Neurosteroids. And K2 MK-4. Aspirin perhaps. Of course the common "supplement" aside from these are low quality garbage.

 

[tankasnowgod]

The end goal of ideal health is living off of sourdough bread and water and still feeling well.

Lol, wut?

 

[tankasnowgod]

So many people are obsessed with supplements, despite the fact that most have not seen a tangible improvement in their quality of life from them. Perhaps it's due to adopting the belief that a pill will magically cure your problems. At best it's the placebo effect.

Testosterone boosting one here, synthetic vitamins over here, etc.

After spending a ton of money on experimenting with different brands, herbs, and vitamins, I've recently realized what a scam it is. And an expensive one, at that.

All of that money could have gone towards whole foods this entire time, and I would've saved myself money and time from the neuroticism that led to researching different compounds.

Peat himself has spoken against the supplement industry and does not advocate the use of them.

"Any natural food is extremely purified, any supplement made chemically is going to be dirty, just in principle."

"One of the problems [with supplements] is that you don't get the unnamed and unidentified nutrients that are in any living tissue.

For example, in mushrooms, the content has hardly been sketched out,—there are thousands of potentially valuable nutrients or paranutritional substances, things that influence your quality of life that simply haven't been identified and tested."



Not to mention that any contamination, fillers, pill casings, etc. could irritate the gut and potentially stimulate the release of endotoxin.

Furthermore, if we starting viewing food differently, as vibrations that raise our life-force, it would make sense why lab-made substances most likely HARM our body.

Any isolated vitamin, even the fat solubles, likely causes deficiencies in minerals and unknown substances due to being unbalanced and unlike anything found in Nature.

And if a supplement increases the rate of some metabolic process it could eventually deplete some other substances involved in that process and can short circuit paths to healing.

If anything, supplements should be used for the bare minimum amount of time to elevate one out of a degenerative state, NOT to support an individual who is already healthy.

We've somehow forgotten what the word "supplement" means and now subconsciously view them as mandatory.

Sunlight, sleep, socializing, and great nutrition from whole foods is key. If you get those on lock, then you won't need to spend your money on popping unnecessary pills, creams, topical drops, or consuming powders.

Thoughts? Has anyone else also dropped all supplements after being obsessed with them?

Peat's not an advocate of supplements, except when he is. Truthfully, his view depends more on context.

He himself invented a supplement that is still sold, Progest E, which is Progesterone and Vitamin E.

In some places, he has stated that certain supplemental vitamins/minerals/hormones/amino acids can be beneficial, including pregnenolone, progesterone, DHEA, vitamin E, vitamin D, glycine, thyroid, and drugs like aspirin and cyproheptadine.

According to Danny Roddy, he currently uses small doses of DHEA, progesterone, and testosterone, although he constantly appears to tweak the amounts. He also uses vitamin D topically. I would assume thyroid as well, and aspirin when necessary.

Of course, having said all of that, he has recommended to people to drop all supplements, and often found they got better.

 

[mrchibbs]

I can't recall an instance where Ray advocated for long term daily use of a supplement, except maybe vitamin D and K. Simply because most people just don't get enough sun exposure.

Even with thyroid, he's actually said many times that most young people don't need to take it, and even when there is a problem it can be solved with food, and when thyroid is necessary, it's usually only until the pufa storage goes down.

For things like cyproheptadine for example, he says to take very small doses for just a few days. Same with progesterone, it can be used to shift the trajectory of the organism, and then foods can take over.

Even aspirin, I think he only uses intermittently, as needed.

I don't think he takes any supplements orally aside from things like progest-e, aspirin, cypro, pencilin and cascara, and these are all infrequent and not on a daily basis.

 

[GelatinGoblin]

Lol, wut?

The state where you "need" the least is optimal. Guaranteed you still feel fine enough to perform. Christianity comes to mind. And around 300AD the story of Saint Mary wondering the desert only living off of the little plants she found and about 3 crumbs of bread that she took with her have dried out after about 47 years in the desert. If you'd like I can link the account in written form, which was passed down for a long time verbally from a Church in Egypt or Gaza, in the end it was written down by an Italian I think.

I understand it sounds a bit off but it is logically correct too, I will explain now. The more healthy you are the less "supplements" you need to survive and feel well (It is only a signal for how healthy you are, supplements and certain foods at times are needed to "increase" health, if you had good health you won't need them, but to achieve good health you will need them, and eventually if the circumstances are right you will not need them and can come off then, at least if the health stays at the same rate or further increases), and the functional peak allows for eating of something as plain as wheat bread and functioning well, not accounting for physical work although the body may still be fine with that too. Prior to EMF, artificial light, internet, Radiation lack of Nature, lack of Dawn and Dusk Red Light, etc etc etc etc. And the subsequent series of physiological events leading to Insomnia, Starvation, Lack of Socialising etc etc etc. Which decreases health even further; the body was very healthy and could survive on something as plain as bread and function well. The goal of increasing health is feeling well, but the end end goal is requiring less and less. This is how I see it at least. Maybe nowadays for some it is impossible to stop Peating, like Ray himself. He theorised on biological immortality being possible and doesn't see value in stopping. It is subsequently materialistic in the end. Still, I bet Ray is very healthy he simply doesn't want to come off milk, OJ and the usual. Maybe he is, I don't know.

Edit: my post didn't really add to anything, the main goal of users on the Forum is to improve health and increase health, and my philosophy or values aren't that relevent and I was probably just projecting an idea or thought.

 

[MitchMitchell]

If people started eating a truckload of nose to tail animals, dairy, fruits and some thoroughly cooked leafy greens (enough to smash all micro requirements on cronometer) they’d stop supplementing like crazy.

As of meat:

eat more of it...

 

[InChristAlone]

I wasn't obsessed with supplements, but I definitely had a big box full of them. Especially when you have many symptoms you go searching for what could help and it seems supplements are listed off as being so useful or therapeutic. I mean there are groups for vitamin C mega dosing, niacin, borax, TRS minerals, it seems all Ray Peaters take gelatin or collagen, and vitamin K2 or D, sometimes A though thankfully that's not as popular anymore, oh and we can't forget the people mega dosing vitamin E.

There's probably hundreds of pills you could pop per day. I'm down to a small dose of vitamin C and a pea sized amount of mag chloride topically per day. Sometimes K2. Vitamin E I have tried to make work but it gives me headaches. I do think minerals are important in our modern society that doesn't put them back in the land. Just haven't found one I like. Was considering shilajit. I refuse to make oysters a staple when our oceans are so polluted.

 

[tankasnowgod]

The state where you "need" the least is optimal. Guaranteed you still feel fine enough to perform. Christianity comes to mind. And around 300AD the story of Saint Mary wondering the desert only living off of the little plants she found and about 3 crumbs of bread that she took with her have dried out after about 47 years in the desert. If you'd like I can link the account in written form, which was passed down for a long time verbally from a Church in Egypt or Gaza, in the end it was written down by an Italian I think.

I understand it sounds a bit off but it is logically correct too, I will explain now. The more healthy you are the less "supplements" you need to survive and feel well (It is only a signal for how healthy you are, supplements and certain foods at times are needed to "increase" health, if you had good health you won't need them, but to achieve good health you will need them, and eventually if the circumstances are right you will not need them and can come off then, at least if the health stays at the same rate or further increases), and the functional peak allows for eating of something as plain as wheat bread and functioning well, not accounting for physical work although the body may still be fine with that too. Prior to EMF, artificial light, internet, Radiation lack of Nature, lack of Dawn and Dusk Red Light, etc etc etc etc. And the subsequent series of physiological events leading to Insomnia, Starvation, Lack of Socialising etc etc etc. Which decreases health even further; the body was very healthy and could survive on something as plain as bread and function well. The goal of increasing health is feeling well, but the end end goal is requiring less and less. This is how I see it at least. Maybe nowadays for some it is impossible to stop Peating, like Ray himself. He theorised on biological immortality being possible and doesn't see value in stopping. It is subsequently materialistic in the end. Still, I bet Ray is very healthy he simply doesn't want to come off milk, OJ and the usual. Maybe he is, I don't know.

I would tend to a agree that the healthier you are, the less supplements you need. But that has nothing to do with restricting diet to sourdough bread, and sourdough bread only. That's silly. Other than milk, if your diet was restricted to one food, you would end up unhealthy eventually, guaranteed. So what you initially suggested was a paradox.

Before doing anything that drastic, or suggesting that doing something that drastic is the "end goal" of ideal health, I would need to see at the very least, a population that thrived off sourdough bread, and sourdough bread alone, for quite a few years (say, 5-10). Also, why is your ideal food one that can't be easily found naturally, like fruit or honey or milk or meat? Bread, and especially sourdough bread, requires lots of preparation and work.

 

[Kram]

The end goal of ideal health is living off of sourdough bread and water and still feeling well.

Herschel Walker (who is 58) supposedly only eats bread, salad or soup for dinner and calls it a day. I realize he is a genetic anomaly but the guy looks like he is 30-35 and is still in incredible shape.

 

[GelatinGoblin]

I would tend to a agree that the healthier you are, the less supplements you need. But that has nothing to do with restricting diet to sourdough bread, and sourdough bread only. That's silly. Other than milk, if your diet was restricted to one food, you would end up unhealthy eventually, guaranteed. So what you initially suggested was a paradox.

Before doing anything that drastic, or suggesting that doing something that drastic is the "end goal" of ideal health, I would need to see at the very least, a population that thrived off sourdough bread, and sourdough bread alone, for quite a few years (say, 5-10). Also, why is your ideal food one that can't be easily found naturally, like fruit or honey or milk or meat? Bread, and especially sourdough bread, requires lots of preparation and work.

Mainly Christians. Some Saints as I have mentioned. Mostly Orthodox in later years, some Catholics. People devoted to Religion, both modern and non modern.
It is a traditional food too and Peat approved (prepared right).
It is kind of a theory.

Also I am not suggesting anyone do it. It is merely to be less materialistic. If you cannot afford to do it, don't, although I believe abandoning Materialism is one of the goals for everyone. I cannot afford to do it now. I also don't know if it is possible now with all the burdens I cannot mention on the body, at least for folks like us who are not healthy by grace and by factors such as age of the mother at birth, health at birth and pregnancy, how long one was breastfed, etc...

 

[Frankdee20]

Some things are just too difficult to obtain from food for me ... I take Magnesium 600-1000 MG daily, some vitamin D3, and some K2 as MK4.... I’m also using some sodium ascorbate because I don’t eat much fruit due to the cost.... Kiwis are expensive but a good source of Ascorbate.... Just can’t

 

[tankasnowgod]

Mainly Christians. Some Saints as I have mentioned. Mostly Orthodox in later years, some Catholics. People devoted to Religion, both modern and non modern.
It is a traditional food too and Peat approved (prepared right).
It is kind of a theory.

Also I am not suggesting anyone do it. It is merely to be less materialistic. If you cannot afford to do it, don't, although I believe abandoning Materialism is one of the goals for everyone. I cannot afford to do it now. I also don't know if it is possible now with all the burdens I cannot mention on the body, at least for folks like us who are not healthy by grace and by factors such as age of the mother at birth, health at birth and pregnancy, how long one was breastfed, etc...

Well, still doesn't look like enough proof for me. Certainly isn't my end goal for ideal health. If it's your end goal, fair enough. The statement just seemed incredibly general, and I don't think most people think "ideal health is only eating sourdough bread!" especially if it's someone with cancer or heart disease or wasting syndrome or such.

 

[MitchMitchell]

Milk only diets exist? I’ve seen guys enjoy GOMAD, but all of the carnivores who seem to do well are flesh based

 

[Nicole W.]

I can't recall an instance where Ray advocated for long term daily use of a supplement, except maybe vitamin D and K. Simply because most people just don't get enough sun exposure.

Even with thyroid, he's actually said many times that most young people don't need to take it, and even when there is a problem it can be solved with food, and when thyroid is necessary, it's usually only until the pufa storage goes down.

For things like cyproheptadine for example, he says to take very small doses for just a few days. Same with progesterone, it can be used to shift the trajectory of the organism, and then foods can take over.

Even aspirin, I think he only uses intermittently, as needed.

I don't think he takes any supplements orally aside from things like progest-e, aspirin, cypro, pencilin and cascara, and these are all infrequent and not on a daily basis.

In my own experience, I have found occasional use of supplements to be a good path. When I feel like something needs adjustment, then I dose accordingly. Except for thyroid, I never take anything regularly anymore. There’s less chance of experiencing “too much of a good thing” and it gives real food an opportunity to work its magic in the body without interference.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Milk only diets exist? I’ve seen guys enjoy GOMAD, but all of the carnivores who seem to do well are flesh based

Any fan of Bernarr MacFadden (the most famous guy you never heard about) knows they do-

The Milk Diet: Macfadden Book

Charles Sanford Porter and J.C. Crews of the Mayo Clinic (back in the 20's) also used it with success.

 

[mrchibbs]

In my own experience, I have found occasional use of supplements to be a good path. When I feel like something needs adjustment, then I dose accordingly. Except for thyroid, I never take anything regularly anymore. There’s less chance of experiencing “too much of a good thing” and it gives real food an opportunity to work its magic in the body without interference.

I personally take aspirin regularly as pre-bedtime routine, but aside from that I totally agree. I try to use the other supplements on an as-needed basis.

 

[MitchMitchell]

Any fan of Bernarr MacFadden (the most famous guy you never heard about) knows they do-

The Milk Diet: Macfadden Book

Charles Sanford Porter and J.C. Crews of the Mayo Clinic (back in the 20's) also used it with success.

amazing!!!