What’s the difference between gelatin , collagen and dessicated organ supplements ?

[sarahc]

Hi everyone ! New forum member , so I apologize in advance for all the questions

I’ve heard of Georgi using gelatin in his diet and was looking into incorporating it as well in mine. But then I found collagen powder that is flavoured (so I can replace my whey protein powder with it in my smoothies) and am curious if it’s equivalent or if there are bad effects to choosing collagen over gelatin.

And then to add more to my confusion, I found out about Paul Saladino’s organ supplements and want to try them out but I’m just not sure if the organ supplements provide the same nutrients as gelatine or collagen. I don’t want to spend excessive money on products that would offer the same benefits on my health as would gelatin.

Finally, do I need to take any of those products (gelatin, collagen or dessicated organ supplements) if I’m already taking idealabs energin estroban calcirol and oxidal ? I don’t want to overdo it by taking too many different products and supplements.

Thank you in advance !! Sarah

 

[canadianboymike]

If you want to save money and get all the benefits (and likely more) than focus on getting all the gelatin, nutrients from the organs from real foods. Fresh organs are dirt cheap and you can get tons of gelatin from fatty cuts of meat. Ground beef is a great one that is cheaper and tastes amazing.

 

[liam183]

Gelatin and collagen are the same amino acids, just processed differently. This makes gelatin into its signature jello state, whereas collagen will mix like any other protein powder. No nutritional difference.
Organ supplements won't contain substantial amounts of collagen.
As @canadianboymike said, all of the above can be found cheap in food. Look for local farmers. Organs are usually $5-9/lb depending on which kind. Bone broth can be made at home with animal bones and is super gelatinous. There are also more gelatinous cuts of meat, typically tougher cuts ie shank, flat steaks, neck, and tail. Hope this helps

 

[wzuo]

gelatin is the more affordable than collagen, so it mostly depends on your budget
I found collagen is easier to dissolve for example in coffee but given the price is few times higher than plain gelatin and you have to consume a lot of it to meet protein needs I'm now using gelatin

 

[Peatress]

These articles will give you the context for using gelatin

Gelatin, stress, longevity

Ray Peat

raypeat.com

Meat physiology, stress, and degenerative physiology.

Considerable amounts of some chemicals, such as sodium citrate, are allowed to add to the weight of the meat. The use of ozone and hydrogen peroxide to deodorize meat causes instantaneous oxidative changes, including lipid peroxidation and protein carbonyl formation, as well as increasing water...

raypeat.com

This thread is good for quotes and discussions about collagen

COLLAGEN CONFUSION

"The incidence of cancer increases exponentially with age, but when random mutations are seen as the cause of cancer, aging as an essential cause of cancer is disregarded. The total collagen content of the body increases with aging, and the stiffness of that collagen also increases. The total...

raypeatforum.com

 

[sarahc]

If you want to save money and get all the benefits (and likely more) than focus on getting all the gelatin, nutrients from the organs from real foods. Fresh organs are dirt cheap and you can get tons of gelatin from fatty cuts of meat. Ground beef is a great one that is cheaper and tastes amazing.

Thanks for the feedback ! So if I get ground beef mixed with organ (I found a local farmer that sells 90% ground beef mixed with 10% organs) then I won’t need to take gelatin as well ? I’d like to keep my diet simple so if I can get everything I need from one source then I’m sold !

 

[sarahc]

Gelatin and collagen are the same amino acids, just processed differently. This makes gelatin into its signature jello state, whereas collagen will mix like any other protein powder. No nutritional difference.
Organ supplements won't contain substantial amounts of collagen.
As @canadianboymike said, all of the above can be found cheap in food. Look for local farmers. Organs are usually $5-9/lb depending on which kind. Bone broth can be made at home with animal bones and is super gelatinous. There are also more gelatinous cuts of meat, typically tougher cuts ie shank, flat steaks, neck, and tail. Hope this helps

Thank you super helpful, I started looking into local farmers since posting the thread and found one that sells ground beef mixed with organs. So I’ll give that a try and see how it goes !

 

[sarahc]

These articles will give you the context for using gelatin

Gelatin, stress, longevity

Ray Peat

raypeat.com

Meat physiology, stress, and degenerative physiology.

Considerable amounts of some chemicals, such as sodium citrate, are allowed to add to the weight of the meat. The use of ozone and hydrogen peroxide to deodorize meat causes instantaneous oxidative changes, including lipid peroxidation and protein carbonyl formation, as well as increasing water...

raypeat.com

This thread is good for quotes and discussions about collagen

COLLAGEN CONFUSION

"The incidence of cancer increases exponentially with age, but when random mutations are seen as the cause of cancer, aging as an essential cause of cancer is disregarded. The total collagen content of the body increases with aging, and the stiffness of that collagen also increases. The total...

raypeatforum.com

Thanks so much , I will read those for sure !

 

[sarahc]

gelatin is the more affordable than collagen, so it mostly depends on your budget
I found collagen is easier to dissolve for example in coffee but given the price is few times higher than plain gelatin and you have to consume a lot of it to meet protein needs I'm now using gelatin

This is helpful, thanks for the feedback ! I ordered gelatine so will start with that and see how I handle it.

 

[liam183]

Thank you super helpful, I started looking into local farmers since posting the thread and found one that sells ground beef mixed with organs. So I’ll give that a try and see how it goes !

That sounds good. I like to add a little bit of gelatin to my ground beef.

 

[Lilac]

In this thread, you'll find the recipe for Georgi's special gelatin-containing burger. I make this (when I remember) and never get that full, lead-ball-in-the-stomach feeling after eating. I take this to mean it is very digestible.

Haidut's Bulgarian Bioenergtic Burger

So on Last Night's Livestream with Danny Roddy (#59), @haidut shared a recipe for burgers- View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGwTthwL5EI The idea is to add more calcium to get the ratio closer to 3:2 to phosphate (or even higher), and to improve the amino acid composition. He suggested...

raypeatforum.com

 

[sarahc]

In this thread, you'll find the recipe for Georgi's special gelatin-containing burger. I make this (when I remember) and never get that full, lead-ball-in-the-stomach feeling after eating. I take this to mean it is very digestible.

Haidut's Bulgarian Bioenergtic Burger

So on Last Night's Livestream with Danny Roddy (#59), @haidut shared a recipe for burgers- View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGwTthwL5EI The idea is to add more calcium to get the ratio closer to 3:2 to phosphate (or even higher), and to improve the amino acid composition. He suggested...

raypeatforum.com

Amazing, thanks for sharing :) will try it out !