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Good that they beat the Us at Capitalism
We don't need capitalism
Things are worse than we have been told. We operate as slaves under a Financial Oligarchy who are wrapped around the productive sector of the economy like an anaconda.Good that they beat the Us at Capitalism
We don't need capitalism
How would you know? Unless you are over 108 years old, you've never experienced Capitalism in the United States in your life.
@tankasnowgod RP being fairly extreme and having some unreasonable positions (removing starch, is one example) I've noticed there tends to be a bunch of equally unreasonable individuals who are drawn to RP. Hence you get people who probably live better than 90% of the world but complain about it. 9 times out of ten, they're also liberal.
Japan made better Submarines and Aircraft carriers than the United States even more than 80 years ago. Don't act as if the Japanese needed to start from scratch.Yes. China runs an industrial Capitalist System... ( Protectionist, State Driven Credit to Industry). Other examples:
Japan up until the 1980s ( they received a huge boost after WW2 having access to Western Technology despite being militarily defeated, go figure ).
America prior to 1912 election and Federal Reserve the following year ( Especially with Lincoln Greenbacks )
Kaiser's Germany
Any Fascist Country ever
NSDAP Germany
England in 1914 ( Bradbury Pounds )
Most war time economies.
America is under the spell of Usury. We have been duped into thinking that Private Banks have to finance projects, and that you need a debt based currency.
Chinese industries getting credit from the Bank of China is mostly non-usurious, because for the same reasons those industries received credit they can also be forgiven of their debts. So the power relation is different, if you owe $1000 to your Father it's different than owing $1000 to JP Morgan. And any interest payments are fluxing back towards the State, rather than for private gain.
I didnt know thatJapan made better Submarines and Aircraft carriers than the United States even more than 80 years ago. Don't act as if the Japanese needed to start from scratch.
I love how he compares an idealized version of socialism that ignores the requisite repression vs a cartoon villain capitalism that ignores all the benefits and freedoms. There were so many lies coming out of his mouth it was laughable. Did he forget the genocide of the Soviet landed peasantry once power was consolidated and all land was collectivized?
China is not beating anyone at Capitalism. They benefited from cheap labor, Western know how, zero R&D costs, and one sided trade rules.
The Soviet Union also had a period of incredible modernization and productivity gains due to the influx of Western capital and technology. Everyone during that time also marveled at how the Soviet Union was going to beat the capitalist west.
The problem is that eventually you have to stand on your own and develop your own technologies and innovations. A people subjected to a repressive police state can never out compete a relatively free people able to express their ideas and follow their ambitions.
If China doesnt ditch the CCP and embrace a more open society they will soon follow the way of the Soviets before them.
Im of course ignoring our own movements towards a Police State, but the same warnings apply to us as well.
The author is not saying that China's communist origins ( nor Russia's ) are desirable or equivalent to how modern day China operates. I think he is just discussing economic success in China's Industrial Capitalist system.
Fractional reserve banking is just one of the many levers of control over society. Bankers dont control the world; they are just high paid courtiers and do what they are told. They are no different than top officials in the military, intelligence agencies, politicians, media, religious groups etc.anyways the Free Capitalism of the West has done nothing to stop the endless stream of interest payments on Capital that allow Parasites to pull the strings of the economy while doing nothing. Banks do nothing besides create debt, and yet they are so powerful! Why? Becuase we are under the spell of Mammon and believed the lie that Money creates more Money when in truth Money should just be a method of exchange for Productive Work/Resources. All the values of a Society are inverted when you believe the lies of International Capital about what Money is. Generations are raised thinking that the most important and secure positions of society do not involve any Creative, Physical or Intellectual work but in Investment, working on Wall Street, owning property. How sick!
Fractional reserve banking is just one of the many levers of control over society. Bankers dont control the world; they are just high paid courtiers and do what they are told. They are no different than top officials in the military, intelligence agencies, politicians, media, religious groups etc.
Even if they nationalized the banks tomorrow, we still wouldn’t be any freer. The fleecing of the people would just be done in some other way. They need to keep the peasants so busy with the struggles of life that they can’t actually figure out what is going on. Remember it’s all about control, not money.