Communitarianism, Capitalism+Communism, Amitai Etzioni

[Drareg]

The pope of communitarianism is Amitai Etzioni, he is an Israeli with the usual who’s who of Zionist neo con types surrounding him.

We are all bearing witness to the communist versus capitalist social wars ongoing with the fires being stoked daily by the media magnifying lens.
This is the Hegelian dialectic the ruling class want, when the time is right we will need a solution, a bit of both sounds just about right, enter communitarianism, a system where capitalism and communism coexist in one system together, sounds great but just keep in mind the ruling class are still at the top, ok?

Notice how the left today have nothing to say about the bankers, central banks and money creation just doesn’t enter the narrative of antifa or BLM, it doesn’t seem to enter the narrative of alt right media either, a few token comments here and there but you would expect an outright assault on the finically system if you were genuinely concerned with change.

Communism and capitalism are words used today but the actions underlying them are in conflict with historical definitions, how is the west capitalist when we socialize the losses of big banks and corporate groups ? How is China communist when they take part in capitalist systems? Russia under Putin is what? Communist or capitalist, are the oligarchs on their million dollar yachts communist or capitalist?

It’s basically a ruling class doing what they want, what they want is to continually rule, they have no integrity or loyalty to any system and have now become dynamic and shape shifty to keep power.

Communitarianism is the system they want going forward, it’s shape shifty ,vague and verbose, they tend not to use the word communitarianism anymore but expect to see Etzioni getting puff pieces and air time going forward, if not him because of his age it will be his disciples , communitarianism and the world economic forums fourth industrial revolution are in "lockstep" together, it is the foundation for a technocratic justification.

Oh and don’t forget it’s a "humanitarian" cause with a side of hollywood celebrity and sports star support,the usual.

Below is his YouTube channel where you can hear this psychopath spew his vague verbose spiel, he enjoys redefining concepts as he sees fit.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4H32EThts7TStEIIb_Y-Ug/videos

 

[snacks]

enter communitarianism, a system where capitalism and communism coexist in one system together, sounds great but just keep in mind the ruling class are still at the top, ok?

This is such a vague description that it's perfectly useless. Fascism and dengism could both be described this way, as well as Singapore's unique(ish) political arrangement. you could even make fringe analogies like the high middle ages where communal farms lent their equipment from wealthy merchants lol.

You raise an interesting point though; the racial politics seems like a controlled opposition to me in the light of the near-success of occupy wall street in forming a long-lasting political faction. Since the republicans before and somewhat including trumps were absolute retards on economic issues most of those in OWS were lefty types and so it was a simple matter of getting leftists to ignore economic justice in favor of racial justice. It's funny and sad to see people enter the left on the basis of "why tf is my tuition so high?" and to end up in a bank of america and jeff bezos sponsored revolution and sated by occasional memes about guillotining the rich or something

 

[Drareg]

This is such a vague description that it's perfectly useless. Fascism and dengism could both be described this way, as well as Singapore's unique(ish) political arrangement. you could even make fringe analogies like the high middle ages where communal farms lent their equipment from wealthy merchants lol.

You raise an interesting point though; the racial politics seems like a controlled opposition to me in the light of the near-success of occupy wall street in forming a long-lasting political faction. Since the republicans before and somewhat including trumps were absolute retards on economic issues most of those in OWS were lefty types and so it was a simple matter of getting leftists to ignore economic justice in favor of racial justice. It's funny and sad to see people enter the left on the basis of "why tf is my tuition so high?" and to end up in a bank of america and jeff bezos sponsored revolution and sated by occasional memes about guillotining the rich or something

That’s the idea with the ruling class, it’s vague, it’s not supposed to be coherent, if it was people would ask why them and not me at the top.

 

[Regina]

That’s the idea with the ruling class, it’s vague, it’s not supposed to be coherent, if it was people would ask why them and not me at the top.

communitarianism = all your base are belong to us

 

[shine]

Communitarianism is a spook.

 

[Drareg]

communitarianism = all your base are belong to us

Humans are the new oil, the new market is human as commodity ,it’s not really new though, the slave trade used metal shackles, this new system will use digital shackles.

 

[Regina]

Humans are the new oil, the new market is human as commodity ,it’s not really new though, the slave trade used metal shackles, this new system will use digital shackles.

Yeah. It's the same people really.

 

[michael94]

This is such a vague description that it's perfectly useless. Fascism and dengism could both be described this way, as well as Singapore's unique(ish) political arrangement. you could even make fringe analogies like the high middle ages where communal farms lent their equipment from wealthy merchants lol.

You raise an interesting point though; the racial politics seems like a controlled opposition to me in the light of the near-success of occupy wall street in forming a long-lasting political faction. Since the republicans before and somewhat including trumps were absolute retards on economic issues most of those in OWS were lefty types and so it was a simple matter of getting leftists to ignore economic justice in favor of racial justice. It's funny and sad to see people enter the left on the basis of "why tf is my tuition so high?" and to end up in a bank of america and jeff bezos sponsored revolution and sated by occasional memes about guillotining the rich or something

If the Occupy movement would actually focus on the banking issue, as many were trying to steer it towards, it would be a really really good movement. Instead whoever led the discussion got them to chase phantoms. I guess it is because people still do not know what Banks even do, whereas the activity of corporations is easier to grasp or explain to someone.

sovereign money

 

[Drareg]

If the Occupy movement would actually focus on the banking issue, as many were trying to steer it towards, it would be a really really good movement. Instead whoever led the discussion got them to chase phantoms. I guess it is because people still do not know what Banks even do, whereas the activity of corporations is easier to grasp or explain to someone.

sovereign money

It’s insane right, it’s spooky at the same time, we are obviously getting shafted by central banks yet many folks are oblivious and those that are not cannot motivate others to act, the humiliation isn’t there yet, 2008 wasn’t humiliating, what they want now with UBI is task completion via community projects for digital tokens, this is humiliating, another reason the ruling class like unskilled immigrants and asylum seekers is because they will just sign right up putting themselves into digital shackles, the problem for the ruling class is they still need us.
A silver lining maybe is the fact when asked about banks most are starting to say corrupt, toxic etc , we are getting there slowly.

The banking cults language is what keeps others from comprehending what they are doing, it’s Japanese to an English speaker essentially.

 

[Drareg]

Yeah. It's the same people really.

Surprise surprise, John D again, the humanitarian, predatory humanitarian.

 

[managing]

Central banks have increasingly shunted price inflation toward wage deflation instead. Instead of things costing more, our money is worth less (relatively speaking) which leads a greater disparity between those who have, and have not, ie, greater concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer people. Is this what you mean @Drareg by "we are getting shafted by central banks"?

What do you see as the solution to this?

Can you elaborate on what is humiliating about UBI?

 

[LeeLemonoil]

The World Economic Forum is openly propagating a new era of synthesis between capitalism and socialism, post-growth economy and climate protection. The usual blah blah it’s no the party line.

It’s just a more effective way of ruling. Much less open and direct resistance like in former times. The Slave class gets money, shelter, food and entertainment by printing money. They have captured the ideas of MMT and use it for their aims. China makes their pants wet, it’s the proof of concept state.

Also, it’s a relabeling Operation. They have identified and molded the left / progressives to be their functional allies in this operation to install their revamped absolute rule (by gender/identity/climate - you know it - policies all designed to rule)
This pseudo-left still upholds the enmity to a perceived „right“. They/the ruling elite of finance and clandestine super-rich were up until now labeled as being conservative or right-Wing. That has to change so they style themselves as progressives now. It also has the positive side-effect of defelecting the aggression of the Pseudo-left completely towards the „racist/nazi“-right. In fact all those that don’t want to bow to this dystopian absolutistic rule. That’s handy because the only functional opposition to the intended rule was the secular,liberal, democratic middle class with traditional family values. They are now racists and nazis, evil right wingers free to be lynched.

To make it clear: the right was until recently the main instrument and allegory their rule (military juntas, real fascist regimes, corporate imperialists) - now it’s the left. The real ruling classes have orchestrated that shift purely because it is likely to be more efficient - less resistance, less damage to the environment, which they really fear.
The money is already where it needs to be. You’ll see their money going into new stocks of regenerative energy and big data and drying up old oil corps. There is still serious money in these „old industries“ but they are not part of the true ruling elite

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Central banks have increasingly shunted price inflation toward wage deflation instead. Instead of things costing more, our money is worth less (relatively speaking) which leads a greater disparity between those who have, and have not, ie, greater concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer people. Is this what you mean @Drareg by "we are getting shafted by central banks"?

What do you see as the solution to this?

Can you elaborate on what is humiliating about UBI?

It’s a means to keep the lower classes fed and quiet, period. Nobody will atain property on UBI. It’s enough to keep you alive and distracted by cheap entertainment and food, it’s not enough to become a souvereign citizen.
It’s the more effective than have large slums of extremely poor where true unrest might originate. It’s also great for direct control. Because it might be universal basic income, but not free of requirements.

 

[managing]

It’s a means to keep the lower classes fed and quiet, period. Nobody will atain property on UBI. It’s enough to keep you alive and distracted by cheap entertainment and food, it’s not enough to become a souvereign citizen.
It’s the more effective than have large slums of extremely poor where true unrest might originate. It’s also great for direct control. Because it might be universal basic income, but not free of requirements.

The latter paragraph makes a lot of sense. Get vaccinated, get a job (we approve of), get your UBI.

But the first paragraph--I understand the sovereign citizen movement to be about not accepting government laws/jurisdiction. How does income play into that?

 

[LeeLemonoil]

As one there is a conventional rule of law then property and income generated away from stately origins or handouts will provide you with a certain amount of personal souvereignity against the state. Let’s not forget that in most liberal western states your Basic civil rights are there to protect you from the state too.

If everything you have depends on a UBI handed out by authorities - renting a flat/house, healthcare and do forth - you are putty in their hands. This will in broad portions of recipients lead to extreme deference and adherence to an „official“ way of living. How easily manipulated are such masses?
Much more so than disgruntled poor that have nothing to lose

 

[managing]

As one there is a conventional rule of law then property and income generated away from stately origins or handouts will provide you with a certain amount of personal souvereignity against the state. Let’s not forget that in most liberal western states your Basic civil rights are there to protect you from the state too.

If everything you have depends on a UBI handed out by authorities - renting a flat/house, healthcare and do forth - you are putty in their hands. This will in broad portions of recipients lead to extreme deference and adherence to an „official“ way of living. How easily manipulated are such masses?
Much more so than disgruntled poor that have nothing to lose

Thank you. That is a very clear and direct answer.

Do you think anybody in the world lives independently of state authority currently? What do you think your prospects of doing so are? And, as part of that last question, it might be helpful if you specify where you live, to the extent/degree that you are willing.

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Thank you. That is a very clear and direct answer.

Do you think anybody in the world lives independently of state authority currently? What do you think your prospects of doing so are? And, as part of that last question, it might be helpful if you specify where you live, to the extent/degree that you are willing.

Missed out your message @managing, I will come back to that with an answer when time allows.

Meanwhile, the agitprop operation of the WEF is underway, Klaus Schwab interviewed in one of the leading left media in Germany, we will see much of that the coming month

ZEIT ONLINE | Lesen Sie zeit.de mit Werbung oder im PUR-Abo. Sie haben die Wahl.


It’s decided already. We are heading into a Chinese inspired reality in the West

 

[Drareg]

Some good videos on communitarianism also known as the "new way".
To me at the moment it’s a communitarian agenda what we are witnessing.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q9CSKPJ-_Q&list=PL2zy8Vmm1vHPxPljeUnbcJM824MIYcCJ_&index=16

 

[Drareg]

Remember the narrative of masking up is patriotic, that cam from none other than the fascist Amitai Etzioni.
Here is the fascists research page-https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Amitai-Etzioni

What you find in his research is pretty much what enters the mainstream ruling class narrative soon after.
The communitarian observer articles are worth reading if you have to pick.

The political left/right fraud is designed to cover up the ruling class communitarian agenda, covid19 and the green new deal are all tools to push this through.

 

[Drareg]

I also found this lady by the name of Nikki Raapana, she was writing about communitarianism in 2006! She was exposing how this agenda will begin in 2020!
I would really like to hear Ray Peats view on communitarianism.

She writes about Hegelian dialectics, the claim is the ruling class use this via verbosity and contradictions to maintain rule, of course we know this from reading Peat and his articles on language and verbosity, Peat is also critical of Hegel who twisted Heraclitus to suit his fascist agenda, Alfred North Whitehead‘s process philosophy also unlocks Hegelian dialectics.
The spoken word is a spell as some forum member on here mused not so long ago, we can see how language is being changed by the ruling class since covid began, this is all part of the communitarian cult.

@haidut This ladies articles are worth your time, Danny Roddy might be interested also.

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