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Help. I Am Taking Copper And Still Have Deficiency!

Discussion in 'Blood Work, Labs' started by Lucas, Apr 24, 2018.

  1. Motif

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    Ok, i will take some more manganese for a few weeks and see what happens.

    You guys think heat on the liver or massaging the liver (vibration) is beneficial for it?
     
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    How did this continue?
     
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    The more copper suplement i take the more serum copper and ceruloplasmin deficient i get
     
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    It basically continued for 2-3 weeks total, after that I'm back to basics.
    I either depleted the copper(I had eaten about 150g of beef liver before my temporary success) or some other nutrient - currently still investigating my logs to see which one was it - going to try some niacin as I had this at 50mg for about a month before the good 2 weeks. I'm homo on both popular COMT SNPs(i.e. slow COMT) and niacin is believed to help clear SAH which blocks COMT.
    I'm mad at myself for not taking a blood test at that time to see how it would relate to the improvement of well being.
    Recent test I took in December didn't show anything interesting - both Cu and Zn were mid range, Cp was at 24 yielding unbound Cu at about 40%.
    Neutrophils were highest I ever measured in my life which was a bit motivating but I also trialed a month of advanced TRS before that which may have skewed results a bit.

    Still continuing with experiments and will post whenever I have some progress or failure.
     
  6. robertf

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    Get thee a hair mineral test. Blood tests are meh.
     
  7. sunraiser

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    Then your body is keeping ceruloplasmin low for a reason.

    Is it possible you have calcium/magnesium metabolism issues? Definitely lay off the copper for now!
     
  8. Kyle Bigman

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    @Lucas did you ever figure out the issue? To me it sounds possible that you have Wilson's disease, but you should get a 24 hour urine test and check for Kayser Fleischer rings in your eyes. I am experiencing similar issues. My Ceruloplasmin level is 0.19 g/L, my total copper was in the low-normal reference range. My symptoms are similar to what you guys experience –– intermittent right upper quadrant pain (so I thought was liver), depression, dry/yellowish skin, some abdominal bloating, etc. So it sounds to me like Wilson's.

    Copper toxicity/deficiency seems very difficult to assess.

    I am trying to see an eye doctor and am trying to get tested for 24 hour urine/serum copper. But it is a struggle since I am in a third world remote country at the moment. Horrible timing. I will keep posting.
     
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    eAT lIVER, MAYBE FOOD SOURCED COPPER IS BETTER ABSORBED
     
  10. Kyle Bigman

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    I have tried liver, shellfish, chocolate, mushrooms, etc. I don't want to risk consuming lots of liver if the issue is really toxicity.
     
  11. Dave Clark

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    You xould always give MitoSynergy a try: https://www.mitosynergy.com/
     
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