Health and Diet - One Radio Network, 2014

[Mittir]

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I think this is the best Ray Peat interview so far.
It is an ideal interview as an introduction to RP
philosophy. This answers almost all the questions
people initially have about his dietary suggestions.

 

[narouz]

Re: Ray Peat will be on One Radio Network

I enjoyed it too, Mittir.
Not my personal favorite, but as you say,
in its broad generality it does make a good introduction.
One detail does stick in my head as a curiosity:
I believe Peat said to the host
that potatoes are almost the perfect food.
Maybe I got that wrong--have to listen again.
But if that is what he said,
then I would say this might be a good example of why one shouldn't always
put too much weight on a single instance of Peat expression.
Because if you read/listen to the totality of Peat's work
(not addressing that to you, Mittir--I know you know your Peat)
it's abundantly clear that potatoes are not the perfect food.

 

[charlie]

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I enjoyed it too, Mittir.
Not my personal favorite, but as you say,
in its broad generality it does make a good introduction.
One detail does stick in my head as a curiosity:
I believe Peat said to the host
that potatoes are almost the perfect food.
Maybe I got that wrong--have to listen again.
But if that is what he said,
then I would say this might be a good example of why one shouldn't always
put too much weight on a single instance of Peat expression.
Because if you read/listen to the totality of Peat's work
(not addressing that to you, Mittir--I know you know your Peat)
it's abundantly clear that potatoes are not the perfect food.

He said almost. That pesky little thing called fiber.

 

[narouz]

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Yes, duly noted :>) "almost perfect."
Still, personally, I would not judge that Peat's work, as a whole,
would even reflect the evaluation of "almost perfect."
In addition to the fiber,
there's the starch.
And then there's the phosphate to calcium ratio.

 

[charlie]

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Jenn and her family thrived off it. Brought her sons health back eating the potatoes.

 

[narouz]

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Not naysaying Jenn's family's potato experience at all.

What I'm saying is:
If a smart person carefully reads most of Peat's articles
and listens to most of his interviews,
said smart person will not come away with the view
that potatoes are "almost the perfect food."
:)

 

[Mittir]

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He added other comments after saying potato is almost a perfect food.
Allergenicity of nightshade family, Persorption of starch, high GI index.
High vitamin and mineral content of potato with Keto acids makes it an exceptional food.
If one can tolerate well cooked potato with lots of saturated fat, it is an excellent food.

 

[narouz]

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Yes, Mittir, if:

-your metabolism is strong
-or not worried about weight gain/appetite increase due to starch
-not worried about fiber's impact on gut health
-not worried about persorption
-not worried about eating a lot of butter you should add according to Peat to make safe (and thus weight gain from that fat)
-not worried or can offset very poor phosphate : calcium balance
-not allergenic to nightshades.

 

[charlie]

Re: Ray Peat Interview - One Radio Network

I have moved this thread to the audio section. Added the interview links to the original post, and also adusted the title of the thread slightly. This way we can keep all the discussion about the interview in this thread.

 

[aquaman]

Re: Ray Peat will be on One Radio Network

Yes, duly noted :>) "almost perfect."
Still, personally, I would not judge that Peat's work, as a whole,
would even reflect the evaluation of "almost perfect."
In addition to the fiber,
there's the starch.
And then there's the phosphate to calcium ratio.

he's clearly referring to potatoes in the context of juiced. Easily assimilated, great protein, no starch...

Anyway, it's the best interview i've heard of Peat's.

 

[narouz]

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I don't believe this is the case. :)

 

[narouz]

Re: Ray Peat Interview - One Radio Network

Another mysterious tidbit, loose bit, for me:

Near the end he comments about milk:
"It is the best practical protein, because of its calcium : phospate ratio."

Makes me wonder:
what is the best unpractical protein?

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I tend to recoil at the deployment of the "context is everything" chestnut.
But in this situation, this radio interview, the context does seem important.

Peat was trying his best to be nice with the interviewer,
who wished Peat a "pleasant" day twice in his first sentence,
and went on to show that he didn't really know very much about Peat's ideas.
He seemed very attached to keeping his rice and salad,
and made remarks like "isn't that interesting."

Oh, he was nice enough, I don't mean to be mean.
My point is that Peat really attenuated his content and tone because of the interviewer.
This was nice in some ways, as it allowed a review or summary of the Peat Basics.
And we got a few little surprises thrown in.

Peat tried to be pleasant and to paint a welcoming picture of a really good diet.
He didn't want to give the feeling that a good diet would be restrictive, in my opinion.
So, for instance, when Timpone asked about
"all those potatoes, sweet potatoes, regular potatoes...are they good food?"
Peat responded,
"Yes, Indians lived on a pure potato diet for 51 weeks, then had pork feasts on the 52nd week."

So there he seemingly endorses sweet potatoes as "good food."

My opinion is that Peat was speaking loosely, trying not to be overly stringent.
He sortuv let Timpone believe he was going to be significantly better off with eating rice soaked before cooking, and made it all sound fine and consonant with a really good Peat diet.

Peat is not confrontational in interviews, especially with a host like Timpone and all his pleasantness.

That is fine with me.
But as I said earlier, this is a good example of why we shouldn't assign the gold standard to every single expression of Peats.

The best way, IMO, to understand what he really thinks
is to do a careful reading/listening to his stuff.
On the other hand, a way to possibly get distorted Peat info
is to grant undeserved legitimacy to every poster who insinuates they are buddies with Peat,
and attest that he said their "diet was fine."

He also made an interesting point about the relative evilness of n-3 vs n-6 oils--
which was more evil.
I'll come back to that maybe.

 

[narouz]

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Back to the fish oils and Peat's remarks about them in the interview.

There have been at least a couple of threads here exploring which is worse--
the n-3 fish oils, or the n-6 seed oils.

In some interviews I've heard Peat say the fish oils are worse.
But I've realized that has to be looked into more closely.
In the Radio One interview, and in other interviews (can't remember where)
I've heard Peat explain how,
even though "on paper" the fish oils are worse,
they actually, in practice, in diet, are better than the seed oils (though still bad).

The explanation Peat gives in the interview is that the fish oils are so unstable
that by the time one gets them into one's body
they have already broken down into their less harmful forms.
Peat said, and I'm quoting pretty closely:
"Their good feature is that they breakdown so fast
that they can't be stored as easily as the seed oils."

(Side note: back before I discovered Peat, I took a lot of fish oils, and I tried to take the best ones--the ones that promised to be freshest, least oxidized. Now I think by doing so I was only poisoning myself more effectively. Oy vey.)

Peat also said:
"The best thing I can say about them (fish oils) is that they protect against the seed oils, but..."(and he goes on to explain how this is still a bad health strategy.)

That's interesting. I don't think I've ever heard him say the fish oils protect against the seed oils.

 

[narouz]

Re: Ray Peat Interview - One Radio Network

Naringenin and Apigenin

Peat also mentioned that a couple of substances found in oranges,
naringenin and apigenin,
are anti-estrogenic.

He said that when the orange juice producers get around to extracting those substances
from the orange peels
they will be useful nutritionally.

This made this think I should watch it,
as I sometimes slide into more Coke drinking
than orange juice drinking.

 

[narouz]

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Salads

Another little bit I don't think I've ever heard Peat say
in exactly this way:

"For some people who have a very vigorous peristalsis,
a raw salad sweeps out, cleans the intestines, which is a good thing."

Because in those individuals the transit time is so fast the fiber doesn't have a chance to harbor bad bacteria.

 

[narouz]

Re: Ray Peat Interview - One Radio Network

Potatoes the "Almost Perfect" Food ?

Just to clarify:
I have no problem seeing potatoes as a really cool food.
It is the "almost perfect" ranking that I have trouble with.

Earlier I explained why I think Peat used that phrase--
adjusting his tone to the hyper-pleasant interviewer, etc.

But if you try to sketch out your own Peat food ranking scheme,
and you try to incorporate "almost perfect" (and therefore "perfect") in some sensible way,
you might come up with something like this:

Perfect
Almost Perfect--potatoes?
Excellent
Good
Okay
Poor
Avoid like the Plague

And if you try to flesh out the rest of the rankings,
you will see I think,
that potatoes are too high at "Almost Perfect.)
(Actually, I believe Peat's exact wording might have been
"in some ways almost perfect."
Have to listen again.)

Yes, yes--of course they may be "almost perfect" or even "perfect"
for someone with really strong metabolism,
who doesn't fear weight gain/appetite increase,
doesn't worry about starch persorption,
doesn't worry about the weight gain from all the butter that should be added
isn't concerned about excess phosphate,
isn't worried about fiber, etc etc.
Or for someone who is really poor--I've been there,
and potatoes are great in that situation.

I simply, personally, feel the ranking of "almost perfect" isn't perfect. :)

Now...juiced, de-starched, de-fibered, cooked potatoes? May Be : >)
In fact, I wonder if that is the best impractical protein
Peat left unspoken (see my earlier note).

Personally, I think I would put regular, cooked potatoes at "Good."

 

[pboy]

Re: Ray Peat Interview - One Radio Network

good breakdown narouz. For people as wise, refined, and experienced as Peat, as opposed to the average listener, its almost imperative to be polite, tone some stuff down, and make broad statements that leave room for the intelligent to read between the lines. One thing I think is awesome about Peat is that he doesn't discriminate, its just like...this seems to be how the body functions optimally, and these seem to be the best available easy ways to meet those demands towards optimum function. Something new could come around, and if it fit the right profile, could easily be incorporated. Something new could come around, and could easily and quickly be identified as something potentially irritating and not optimum.
If its mostly water soluble, provides nutrients, lacks irritants, and is cultivated easily enough and available enough to not be a stressor in of itself, its probably good

 

[Mittir]

Re: Ray Peat Interview - One Radio Network

(Actually, I believe Peat's exact wording might have been
"in some ways almost perfect."
Have to listen again.)

I remember saying him " was almost perfect". My understanding is
that potato would have been an almost perfect food if it was not
for other negative problems like nightshade allergy and starch problems.
I think most people know the difference between facts and opinion.
All the if's you listed and all the positive side of potatoes ( keto acids,
high vitamin and minerals) are facts. I can't tolerate potato, i can easily
say it is the worst food in the world. That would not change the facts
on potatoes. Jen had great result with potatoes and it would be fine if
she says potato is the best food in the world.
RP does not compromise on facts. But he gives slightly different answers
depending on the way a question is phrased. I remember in one interview
a lady made an statement that coffee increases cortisol when RP recommended
coffee for magnesium. RP's response was to try decaf coffee.
If she said coffee gives her trouble or asked if coffee really increases cortisol
RP would have given a different answer.

 

[aquaman]

Re: Ray Peat Interview - One Radio Network

Another mysterious tidbit, loose bit, for me:

Near the end he comments about milk:
"It is the best practical protein, because of its calcium : phospate ratio."

Makes me wonder:
what is the best unpractical protein?

-------------
I tend to recoil at the deployment of the "context is everything" chestnut.
But in this situation, this radio interview, the context does seem important.

Peat was trying his best to be nice with the interviewer,
who wished Peat a "pleasant" day twice in his first sentence,
and went on to show that he didn't really know very much about Peat's ideas.
He seemed very attached to keeping his rice and salad,
and made remarks like "isn't that interesting."

Oh, he was nice enough, I don't mean to be mean.
My point is that Peat really attenuated his content and tone because of the interviewer.
This was nice in some ways, as it allowed a review or summary of the Peat Basics.
And we got a few little surprises thrown in.

Peat tried to be pleasant and to paint a welcoming picture of a really good diet.
He didn't want to give the feeling that a good diet would be restrictive, in my opinion.
So, for instance, when Timpone asked about
"all those potatoes, sweet potatoes, regular potatoes...are they good food?"
Peat responded,
"Yes, Indians lived on a pure potato diet for 51 weeks, then had pork feasts on the 52nd week."

So there he seemingly endorses sweet potatoes as "good food."

My opinion is that Peat was speaking loosely, trying not to be overly stringent.
He sortuv let Timpone believe he was going to be significantly better off with eating rice soaked before cooking, and made it all sound fine and consonant with a really good Peat diet.

Peat is not confrontational in interviews, especially with a host like Timpone and all his pleasantness.

That is fine with me.
But as I said earlier, this is a good example of why we shouldn't assign the gold standard to every single expression of Peats.

The best way, IMO, to understand what he really thinks
is to do a careful reading/listening to his stuff.
On the other hand, a way to possibly get distorted Peat info
is to grant undeserved legitimacy to every poster who insinuates they are buddies with Peat,
and attest that he said their "diet was fine."

He also made an interesting point about the relative evilness of n-3 vs n-6 oils--
which was more evil.
I'll come back to that maybe.

I think you've had too much time on your hands and way over-analysed this interview. I really don't think any of your points are useful or coherent.

For one thing, he says that sweet potatoes have a lot of beta carotene which slows the metabolism and often causes large amounts of gas. He made a very clear distinction between white and sweet potatoes.

 

[charlie]

Re: Ray Peat Interview - One Radio Network

I just got through the first hour. Lots of good information so far.