Yeah, don't see any negative interactions there.hi guys i want to try joekools protocol but im on levothyroxine. can i take both?
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Yeah, don't see any negative interactions there.hi guys i want to try joekools protocol but im on levothyroxine. can i take both?
another question how can i mix the hcg and and keep it for the next few daysYeah, don't see any negative interactions there.
Don’t believe soDo you have varicocele inside your scrotum? You can check it yourself if your doc didn't do it as routine procedure. Just wondering.
how can i keep the ready mixxed hcg for the other days??
thanks i appreciate itHCG is usually sold in the form of powder to be reconstituted with bacteriostatic water.
The solution is sterile and lasts around one month in the fridge.
thanks i appreciate itYeah, don't see any negative interactions there.
Ι am following your posts, your info about the subject is very helpful. How someone without lab tests could finding in what category of the 2 belongs.I have retain my muscle composure after pfs, also my energy levels and my strength was great all the time.The biggest problem was mental problems and not morning wood, plus sebum production is non existent from the momment that i started fina in the past and never recover.Social anxiety is my biggest problem.Hey, guys, personally I'm not a PFS sufferer but I'm lurking this thread, since You post very intresting info. I was hackstasis user, I remeber thread which was deleted on this forum where Gbold (Helen) post cures and explain them. I would like to help You beacuse I remember the cures which he post.
There are two cases of PFS, they are based on blood levels:
1. low/lowish levels of progesterone after stopping fin-cure is
a) Progesterone 50-400mg ED for 1 week w/ calorie restriction; then start on zinc + NAD
b)Clomiphene E very Day 150mg 3 days, 100mg 4 days, 50mg 2 weeks, 25mg 4 weeks; cabergoline half pill once a week; 2 weeks after start, begin taking zinc gluconate 20-50mg,NAD 500mg,vitamin E
2. high/highish progesterone, high cortisol, high dht lvls in blood
a)pine pollen (3 b hsd inhibitor)+ relora or licorice (11 B hydroxylase inhibitor)+neetle or neetle root/coconut oil/lykopene (tomato juice) (5 ar inhibitors)
or for both cases RU 486-action depend on current progesterone lvls- 3 days -10mg
if you are getting healthy on one of this protocols you should feel bad on them, after ceassing them you should feel better than before, you may need few cycles(i think this sticks more to case nr 2 where curring protocol is based on herbs)
Boom:does HCG decreases expression of androgen receptors?
What increases the expression of androgen receptors to fix faulty ones?This is the basic idea:
Finasteride causes lower DHT through 5AR suppression -> cells respond with more androgen receptors (shown in studies) -> at some point in time the cells make a slightly faulty androgen receptor (or any protein related to this) which the immune cells mark as exogenous (pathogen) -> immune system starts making auto antibodies against any androgen receptor(or related protein) thereby debilitating it’s function through the whole body (but the AR can still be there!, however dysfunctional) -> auto-antibodies will be made for a seriously long time
This is basically how many auto-immune diseases start off.
L-Carnitine. Btw I found multiple PFS recoveries from carnitine.What increases the expression of androgen receptors to fix faulty ones?
Yes Carnitine is not like HCG of course but it really seems interesting especially since it's part of multiple recoveries. It's also very cheap and easy to get.@Mister interesting, carnitine seems not really in the same league as an hormone and it increases fat oxidation, I dunno if it's very effective. And from what I have read, carnitin tartrate may only affects androgen after excersize araound muscle. dunno to what for extent it may reach.
Absolutley, PEA seems to have great potential for PFS. Made a post about it some pages back too. (scroll a bit down Finally Cured From Post Finasteride Syndrome )As vitamin D can decrease expressions of megalin which is needed to put testosterone on SHBG into the cells, we may need to add PEA palmitoyl ethanolamide to compensate and increase megalin as they are part of a feedback loop ( from prostate studies) . Also PEA acts in the brain to increase allopregnanole. and I dont know how far HCG effects reaches and what it does for the brain.
Very interesting new post on Rxisk about the auto immune theory:Triggered by Mister's link to the PH post about auto-immunity I've been thinking about the auto antibody hypothesis and think we should explore/brain storm about the idea more. It's a highly plausible explanation for PFS or any similar condition (with a slightly different starting mechanism).
This is the basic idea:
Finasteride causes lower DHT through 5AR suppression -> cells respond with more androgen receptors (shown in studies) -> at some point in time the cells make a slightly faulty androgen receptor (or any protein related to this) which the immune cells mark as exogenous (pathogen) -> immune system starts making auto antibodies against any androgen receptor(or related protein) thereby debilitating it’s function through the whole body (but the AR can still be there!, however dysfunctional) -> auto-antibodies will be made for a seriously long time
This is basically how many auto-immune diseases start off.
This auto antibody hypothesis explains some key phenomenon in PFS:
- We have no clue who is susceptible or not
- One can get it at any point in time, after 1 pill or after years
- The persistence of symptoms
- It causes central (brain/dopaminergic/psychological) and peripheral symptoms, aka whole body symptoms like we do
This is merely to keep the discussion going. I'm not claiming this must be the PFS mechanism.
Cooper we are all just sharing our views and new findings, nobody here is claiming to know all the answers.All due respect, why are you guys still wasting time talking about Carnitine? I mean really Carnitine, after 25 years of PFS history?
Either way you can take Carnitine for a health supplement. It won't hurt you nor cure you. Those stories are kinda BS to begin with if you ask me. If only fixing these conditions were that easy... God i wish...
I already outlined multiple times what you guys have to do.
Instead of reading useless articles i suggest getting your gut microbiome and SIBO tested in a clinic and MRI's of the spine and pelvic floor, gut area to see the pinched nerve networks. Getting auto immune antibodies tested. And cycling steroids with HCG if you have AR related PFS. That's it.
This thread has 137 pages of useless data and waste of time if you ask me.