Finally Cured From Post Finasteride Syndrome

[Stars’y]

Hey @CureOrCause, you have a very good memory!

It was positive, but also somewhat sobering. I hoped to have a lot of time for questions, but then I had only a few minutes and could hardly ask any questions about hCG and the other SERMS. He took blood values, examined my thyroid glands and testicles by ultrasound and then I had to give a sperm sample.

I asked him if his goal was to rebuild the HPA axis so that it could support itself again. He said yes, and that he was using aromatase inhibitors like tamoxifen, hCG and another drug of which I don't remember the name, along with precursor hormones like androstendione and DHEA and another one that I don't remember either. Not necessarily all of them together. He is also well aware that the long-term therapy of e.g. Tamoxifen can have strong side effects, and his goal is clearly that the body can get along without medication.

I then asked him what dose he normally prescribes hCG and he said 2 x 1500UI per week. He told me about a patient who has been doing this for 4 years. I asked him what he thought about 3 x 250UI per week and he said that it was certainly worth a try.

He told me that on average after one year people see themselves at 90% - 95% recovery.

All in all, a doctor who not only sees values "in range", but actually sees the problem and tries to correct it with the means at his disposal.

In two weeks I will receive a detailed report with a therapy recommendation, which I will of course share with you.

If you still have questions, just ask.

Best regards

Michael

hi I also sent an email to doctor zitzmann because I am in Belgium and I could join his consultation but unfortunately so far I have no answer and for me impossible to call him because I do not speak there 'German. Please keep us posted on your protocol to see if we can adopt it without having to consult. My issues outside of brain fog are mostly sexual (libido, ED and numbness) you have the same types of issues. Thank you

 

[MichaelZurich]

hi I also sent an email to doctor zitzmann because I am in Belgium and I could join his consultation but unfortunately so far I have no answer and for me impossible to call him because I do not speak there 'German. Please keep us posted on your protocol to see if we can adopt it without having to consult. My issues outside of brain fog are mostly sexual (libido, ED and numbness) you have the same types of issues. Thank you

Hey @Stars’y I am pretty sure he also speaks English ;-) he is supposed to be an international luminary. Kind Regards

 

[Mister]

@MichaelZurich Great update Michael!

 

[nicolas]

Hey guys. I have been following this thread for a while. I made some analitics and
Calcium. (8,5-10mg/ml) 9,2 mg/dl
Phosphatemia(2,5-4,9mg/dl) 5,2
Magnesium(1,8-2,5mg/dl) 2,16
Sodium(3,5-4,6mEq/L) 4,38
Tsh (0,35-4,40) 3,64
Fsh. (1,4-18,10) 3,35
LH (1,5-9,3) 6,16 mUI/ml
Prolactin. (2,1-17,7) 10,9
Estradiol. (11,6-41,2) 39,8
Shbg. ( 18,3-76,7) 38,4
Cortisol. (4,2-22,4) 18,9
SDHEA. ( 1600-4490ug/L) 1390ug/L
Total testosterone( 164-753) 797

My LH seems good. This protocol with HCG can help me ? Or just make me worse?

 

[JoeKool]

@Unknownuser i hate to keep having you add stuff but did you ever try high dose p5p? I believe you have the mast / histamine issue and p5p should help that , beyond the hcg protocol. Try 300mg a day p5p. Split into two doses. Check this link out even though it's for women: 5 Ways Vitamin B6 Benefits Hormones

I don't think a 1500iu hcg shot will help as it'll be too estrogenic for you. In the video @Mister posted, his reference of 500iu 3 times a week is for someone coming off AAS and is shutdown their own production.

As we can confidently state, pfs is all about the neurosteroids and blood tests like @nicolas show simply don't account for neurosteroid degradation from finasteride. That's why the protocol merely "tops off" our numbers to rebuild and repair said damage. Those reporting lessening depression and less "bad pfs days" prove this point, to which it continues to improve & expand to everything for the duration of hcg and beyond.

Keep up the support! Many are seeing results.

 

[nicolas]

But i mean, if my LH levels are normal. Why and exogenous LH will help??

 

[madis l]

@Unknownuser i hate to keep having you add stuff but did you ever try high dose p5p? I believe you have the mast / histamine issue and p5p should help that , beyond the hcg protocol. Try 300mg a day p5p. Split into two doses. Check this link out even though it's for women: 5 Ways Vitamin B6 Benefits Hormones

I don't think a 1500iu hcg shot will help as it'll be too estrogenic for you. In the video @Mister posted, his reference of 500iu 3 times a week is for someone coming off AAS and is shutdown their own production.

As we can confidently state, pfs is all about the neurosteroids and blood tests like @nicolas show simply don't account for neurosteroid degradation from finasteride. That's why the protocol merely "tops off" our numbers to rebuild and repair said damage. Those reporting lessening depression and less "bad pfs days" prove this point, to which it continues to improve & expand to everything for the duration of hcg and beyond.

Keep up the support! Many are seeing results.

at higher doses (higher than 250 ui ) it'll stimulate your hpa axis more than your natural lh

 

[nicolas]

But also my others hormones are pretty high, next to max range. Testosterone, estrogen, LH

Maybe i can try HCG, i just dont wanna harm myself even more.

 

[madis l]

But also my others hormones are pretty high, next to max range. Testosterone, estrogen, LH

Maybe i can try HCG, i just dont wanna harm myself even more.

i think you need to check your dht although blood test don't tell the whole story , the mechanism behind pfs is still unknown and it seems to be affecting people differently , melcangi suspected an alteration in the gut-brain axis , we know that there's a bidirectional communication between the gut and the brain , More than 90% of the body's serotonin is produced by bacteria in the gut, as well as about 50% of the body's dopamine , a dysfunction in the neurosteroid environment will alter the gut and an imbalance in the gut micriobiome (bad bacteria versus good ) will too have a negative impact on the brain by altering neurochemicals (bacteria cross the brain blood barrier ) , finasteride significantly reduce neurosteroids during it's use which would certainly cause major problems to an already imbalanced gut micriobiome leading to bad bacteria overgrowth and a cascade of events , it would also explain why only an extreme minorty of users are hit by pfs , maybe we already had an altered gut-brain axis and finasteride made it much worse , as in my case i had major digestives problems (gaz , constipation ) and some anxiety problems well before the use of finasteride , if melcangi's next study come to fruition we'll certainly have more informations .

ps : a post from a few years back on cure zone , apparently this guy's pfs sympthoms (both sexual and mental ones ) were all gone after he got rid of an intestinal parasite , diagnostic was done by an infectious disease specialist https://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2276109#i

 

[nicolas]

Yes. My stomach is total ***t right now. I thought in taking and anti sibo supp, bu i notice that my liver is also destroyed. I dont make enough HCL , so even if i get rid of parasites or whatever, i will still get back sibo and all this dysbiosis. So i think that i should adress the hormonal imbalabce first.
My dhea came reqlly low, i will supplement it. I dont know if it can help with digestion, but i have to give it a try

 

[Cooper]

Has anyone have any idea regarding that could one recover his lost of pubertal development damage once he is recover?
I have PAS since 16 years old. And im scared if it damaged the development of my penis. Many people say penis gains thickness and length till age of 18. I think my mild PAS could have damaged it.

Can i express my full genetical potential after recovery? Regardless of my current age? Anyone knows how genes and hormones work? Thanks.

Btw, guys im on Tamoxifen 10mg eod now. I will report back my results.

 

[madis l]

Yes. My stomach is total ***t right now. I thought in taking and anti sibo supp, bu i notice that my liver is also destroyed. I dont make enough HCL , so even if i get rid of parasites or whatever, i will still get back sibo and all this dysbiosis. So i think that i should adress the hormonal imbalabce first.
My dhea came reqlly low, i will supplement it. I dont know if it can help with digestion, but i have to give it a try

digestives problems are just a consequence of the gut microbiome imbalance , hormones have a direct impact on the gut so dhea might be helpful

 

[madis l]

Has anyone have any idea regarding that could one recover his lost of pubertal development damage once he is recover?
I have PAS since 16 years old. And im scared if it damaged the development of my penis. Many people say penis gains thickness and length till age of 18. I think my mild PAS could have damaged it.

Can i express my full genetical potential after recovery? Regardless of my current age? Anyone knows how genes and hormones work? Thanks.

Btw, guys im on Tamoxifen 10mg eod now. I will report back my results.

the lost in size is due to the condition in itself , if you cure the root cause penis's size will grow , in the mean time you can give bathmate a go , it helps for length and girth if used frequently , keep us updated on your tamox use

 

[John W]

Week 11, currently doing 200 IUs EOD, now. All is fine, supplemented potassium and that fixed my issues with digestion. Dropped mag and glycine, wasn’t making me feel good right at all. Almost at the half time mark!

 

[Enzote2]

Week 11, currently doing 200 IUs EOD, now. All is fine, supplemented potassium and that fixed my issues with digestion. Dropped mag and glycine, wasn’t making me feel good right at all. Almost at the half time mark!

Could you tell us more about your improvements?

 

[Unknownuser]

@Unknownuser i hate to keep having you add stuff but did you ever try high dose p5p? I believe you have the mast / histamine issue and p5p should help that , beyond the hcg protocol. Try 300mg a day p5p. Split into two doses. Check this link out even though it's for women: 5 Ways Vitamin B6 Benefits Hormones

I don't think a 1500iu hcg shot will help as it'll be too estrogenic for you. In the video @Mister posted, his reference of 500iu 3 times a week is for someone coming off AAS and is shutdown their own production.

As we can confidently state, pfs is all about the neurosteroids and blood tests like @nicolas show simply don't account for neurosteroid degradation from finasteride. That's why the protocol merely "tops off" our numbers to rebuild and repair said damage. Those reporting lessening depression and less "bad pfs days" prove this point, to which it continues to improve & expand to everything for the duration of hcg and beyond.

Keep up the support! Many are seeing results.

I have Pyroluria or called HPU in Europe. So I take around 25 to 50mg P5P daily already together with 200mg magnesium, 5mg manganese, selen and other stuff. I´ve heard some take up to 100mg p5p. But 300mg might be toxic no? Maybe you mean 300mg normal B6 and not the active form p5p? Unfortunately I cant take zinc. Its a two edged sword for me. I need it due to HPU and it is so so important for the body. Especially I am deficient in it due to 10 years of DMPS usage to detox mercury (I had 14 amalgame fillings that got removed within 3 months without protection around 2007/2008). DMPS removes all the copper and zinc from the body. But when I take zinc, I get PFS symptoms. I took 50mg daily back in April and libido still not recovered from that. I remember taking zinc in around February, when I had a girlfriend. The days I took zinc, I lost erection during sex. Copper is also said to be a strong 5ar inhibitor. I think I might have copper deficiency. And copper is needed to built DAO to reduce histamine in the body.

When I started this HPU therapy together with DHEA and Pregnenolone back in December 2019, I was pretty much recovered in terms of self confidence, fatigue, mental health etc. Even my libido was recovered 4-5 days with 3-4 ejaculations a day because I could not handle the sexual desire. Had thick white semen, wich I never had in the 14 years before. Unfortunately it faded away slowly back into pfs. Mental as well as sexual. In this time I also injected BPC 157 and was detoxing my mercury loads with OSR/NBMI. Whatever it was that helped, I could not recreate it again. I tried all the supplements I took that time.

I now switched to 250 ui SQ injections in the morning. The last 2-3 weeks I had hard times injecting in the muscle. It felt like I was not really getting deep into the muscle.

 

[gabe]

Just a quick progress update. Started the protocol (.25 ml SQ) on Friday (11/13). Saturday night I slept through the night without waking up as I typically do at 4AM. Sunday I (11/14) woke up at 4AM (I suspect it's because I was coming off hCG). Injected yesterday Monday (11/16) and slept through the night. I'll take it!

 

[Unknownuser]

What is causing the tight scrotum and shrinked penis? I added pregnenolone wich gives me great psychological relieve but also gives me the tight scrotum and shrinked penis. When its not erect, it looks like a **** of a 5 years old. Its really frustrating to chose between a normal looking **** and mental health.

 

[MichaelZurich]

i think you need to check your dht although blood test don't tell the whole story , the mechanism behind pfs is still unknown and it seems to be affecting people differently , melcangi suspected an alteration in the gut-brain axis , we know that there's a bidirectional communication between the gut and the brain , More than 90% of the body's serotonin is produced by bacteria in the gut, as well as about 50% of the body's dopamine , a dysfunction in the neurosteroid environment will alter the gut and an imbalance in the gut micriobiome (bad bacteria versus good ) will too have a negative impact on the brain by altering neurochemicals (bacteria cross the brain blood barrier ) , finasteride significantly reduce neurosteroids during it's use which would certainly cause major problems to an already imbalanced gut micriobiome leading to bad bacteria overgrowth and a cascade of events , it would also explain why only an extreme minorty of users are hit by pfs , maybe we already had an altered gut-brain axis and finasteride made it much worse , as in my case i had major digestives problems (gaz , constipation ) and some anxiety problems well before the use of finasteride , if melcangi's next study come to fruition we'll certainly have more informations .

ps : a post from a few years back on cure zone , apparently this guy's pfs sympthoms (both sexual and mental ones ) were all gone after he got rid of an intestinal parasite , diagnostic was done by an infectious disease specialist https://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2276109#i

Hey @madis l This actually sounds very interesting! I just booked an appointment here with a parasite specialist because of your post and definitively will do a (parasite)-fasting anyway...

 

[madis l]

Hey @madis l This actually sounds very interesting! I just booked an appointment here with a parasite specialist because of your post and definitively will do a (parasite)-fasting anyway...

Hi michael , that's great news , the guy on curezone said the stool test came back negative intitially but then showed up positive on a retest , so you probably need to check a 2nd parasite specialist if 1st test isn't telling