Fat And "LOW" Estrogen/low Libido After Andro/pansterone/VitE

jtoro

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Hello,
I have been asking questions relevant to this issue in a few other posts, but thought making a new threat might help me better.

So after going from keto/carnivore to a more "peaty" diet, I have gone from 210lbs to 280lbs.
I have gut issues as shown in stool tests and SIBO tests. The gut issues led to lots of anxiety. Working with antimicrobials and activated charcoal has helped a lot on that front.

My testosterone has also gone from the 500s to the 100s over the last few years.
My estradiol was consistently in the 25 range.

However, over the last few months, I have experimented with Androsterone/Pansterone and Vitamin E in an effort to increase testosterone and improve fertility.

Vitamin E 800mg for a 2 months.
Androsterone 1mg for a month, then 2mg for a month, then 5mg for a few days.
Pansterone 15mg for 2 months.
The last month I ran out of Pansterone and was only taking the Androsterone.

Unfortunately, the results have been a
1)going from a libido (5/10) to (0/10) . no desire for sex
2) Estradiol from 26.8 to 15.4 (before I did another month of the androsterone). I will test it this week . It is likely much lower.

I stopped taking Vitamin E, 2 weeks ago.
I stopped taking the androsterone/pansterone last week after the no libido became unbearable.

So my question: I'm fat and have LOW estrogen.

What are the best way to recover from the androsterone/pansterone/vitamin E inhibition of estrogen?

What are some experiences you've had with these substances?

From what I've seen in the forum, anecdotal evidence suggests a low estradiol is a real concern regarding libido (despite what some studies posted say).
I am concerned that some people are reporting long-lasting libido issues from a similar combination.
This is despite that androsterone/pansterone have short half-lives. Vitamin E is a bit longer I understand as a fat-soluble vitamin.



In the meantime, I am working on increasing my gut health (antimicrobials/prebiotics/probiotics/activated charcoal/no starch) and maximizing dopamine/lowering serotonin.


I'm pretty scared. Despite having anxiety issues stemming from gut issues, my libido had always been reliable. But having no libido is absolutely soul-crushing.

Thanks.
 
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I think I have this problem too due to lots of estrogen-lowering substances. I stopped them all 2 days ago. Considering using nutritional yeast because I’ve read that it contains bio-identical estrogen so..

We’ll see.
 

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Hello,
I have been asking questions relevant to this issue in a few other posts, but thought making a new threat might help me better.

So after going from keto/carnivore to a more "peaty" diet, I have gone from 210lbs to 280lbs.
I have gut issues as shown in stool tests and SIBO tests. The gut issues led to lots of anxiety. Working with antimicrobials and activated charcoal has helped a lot on that front.

My testosterone has also gone from the 500s to the 100s over the last few years.
My estradiol was consistently in the 25 range.

However, over the last few months, I have experimented with Androsterone/Pansterone and Vitamin E in an effort to increase testosterone and improve fertility.

Vitamin E 800mg for a 2 months.
Androsterone 1mg for a month, then 2mg for a month, then 5mg for a few days.
Pansterone 15mg for 2 months.
The last month I ran out of Pansterone and was only taking the Androsterone.

Unfortunately, the results have been a
1)going from a libido (5/10) to (0/10) . no desire for sex
2) Estradiol from 26.8 to 15.4 (before I did another month of the androsterone). I will test it this week . It is likely much lower.

I stopped taking Vitamin E, 2 weeks ago.
I stopped taking the androsterone/pansterone last week after the no libido became unbearable.

So my question: I'm fat and have LOW estrogen.

What are the best way to recover from the androsterone/pansterone/vitamin E inhibition of estrogen?
From what I've seen in the forum, anecdotal evidence suggests a low estradiol is a real concern regarding libido (despite what some studies posted say).
I am concerned that some people are reporting long-lasting libido issues from a similar combination.
This is despite that androsterone/pansterone have short half-lives. Vitamin E is a bit longer I understand as a fat-soluble vitamin.



In the meantime, I am working on increasing my gut health (antimicrobials/prebiotics/probiotics/activated charcoal/no starch) and maximizing dopamine/lowering serotonin.


I'm pretty scared. Despite having anxiety issues stemming from gut issues, my libido had always been reliable. But having no libido is absolutely soul-crushing.

Thanks.

What’s your current diet? @Hans wrote some great posts connecting gut health to libido, and personally, I’ve noticed that my digestion/gut irritability is the strongest correlate to my libido.
  • What foods irritate you, and which foods go down well?
  • Are you eating fruit? Make sure it’s super ripe.
 

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Yes. Thanks . The Hans article is awesome.

My diet is now mostly eggs, fruits, milk, beef, seafood, sugar.

Usually I feel higher libido when I eat bad foods such as wheat possibly due to the higher estrogen from gut irritation.



I'm more curious as to experiences with the Aromatase inhibitors. And anything they've done to correct any issues.
 

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Hello,
I have been asking questions relevant to this issue in a few other posts, but thought making a new threat might help me better.

So after going from keto/carnivore to a more "peaty" diet, I have gone from 210lbs to 280lbs.
I have gut issues as shown in stool tests and SIBO tests. The gut issues led to lots of anxiety. Working with antimicrobials and activated charcoal has helped a lot on that front.

My testosterone has also gone from the 500s to the 100s over the last few years.
My estradiol was consistently in the 25 range.

However, over the last few months, I have experimented with Androsterone/Pansterone and Vitamin E in an effort to increase testosterone and improve fertility.

Vitamin E 800mg for a 2 months.
Androsterone 1mg for a month, then 2mg for a month, then 5mg for a few days.
Pansterone 15mg for 2 months.
The last month I ran out of Pansterone and was only taking the Androsterone.

Unfortunately, the results have been a
1)going from a libido (5/10) to (0/10) . no desire for sex
2) Estradiol from 26.8 to 15.4 (before I did another month of the androsterone). I will test it this week . It is likely much lower.

I stopped taking Vitamin E, 2 weeks ago.
I stopped taking the androsterone/pansterone last week after the no libido became unbearable.

So my question: I'm fat and have LOW estrogen.

What are the best way to recover from the androsterone/pansterone/vitamin E inhibition of estrogen?

What are some experiences you've had with these substances?

From what I've seen in the forum, anecdotal evidence suggests a low estradiol is a real concern regarding libido (despite what some studies posted say).
I am concerned that some people are reporting long-lasting libido issues from a similar combination.
This is despite that androsterone/pansterone have short half-lives. Vitamin E is a bit longer I understand as a fat-soluble vitamin.



In the meantime, I am working on increasing my gut health (antimicrobials/prebiotics/probiotics/activated charcoal/no starch) and maximizing dopamine/lowering serotonin.


I'm pretty scared. Despite having anxiety issues stemming from gut issues, my libido had always been reliable. But having no libido is absolutely soul-crushing.

Thanks.

From the nutrient book I have here, possible effects of vitamin E overdose are listed as "High blood pressure, allergies, gastrointestinal distress, nausea, derangements of Fe metabolism"

Too much vitamin E can mess with iron metabolism, iron being especially vital for libido by increasing dopamine, and nitric oxide. Could be due to the fact it antagonizes vitamin A. Taking such a massive amount, its hard to know what went wrong but I blame it mostly on the vitamin E rather than the hormones you took.

Wheat is fortified with vitamins but particularly there is quite a bit of folic acid especially if you eat a few servings at a time. This likely is what is improving libido since folic acid helps libido and sexual function through multiple avenues. Its vital for dopamine, histamine, nitric oxide function, all three vital for strong libido. You can try eating more folic acid fortified foods in the diet or supplementing folate, say a couple of milligrams a day and see if libido improves. Vitamin C and B3 synergize well with folate for this purpose, neither are anti-estrogen.

Also ballooning up in weight is due to eating too many calories, but decreased histamine levels can cause excessive hunger which makes overeating more likely.

Vitamin E antagonizes prostaglandins (which also help signal histamine) and has anti-histamine effect by preventing release of histamine from mast cells. So overdose of E can amplify this too much and can shut off libido besides the fact that it has anti-estrogen effects. Just to say what needs to be said, you should never ever take such a massive amount of vitamin E or something similar ever again.
 

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I'm real tired of comparing high libido to estrogen. What high libido? Normal libido that makes you go whenever you want but not horny like you can't stop jerking it 5 times a day and gotta look at porn to get yourself off?

High libido = getting erect easily and fantasizing but not having it take over your creative thoughts (art, money making, helping others) etc.
 

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From the nutrient book I have here, possible effects of vitamin E overdose are listed as "High blood pressure, allergies, gastrointestinal distress, nausea, derangements of Fe metabolism"

Too much vitamin E can mess with iron metabolism, iron being especially vital for libido by increasing dopamine, and nitric oxide. Could be due to the fact it antagonizes vitamin A. Taking such a massive amount, its hard to know what went wrong but I blame it mostly on the vitamin E rather than the hormones you took.

Wheat is fortified with vitamins but particularly there is quite a bit of folic acid especially if you eat a few servings at a time. This likely is what is improving libido since folic acid helps libido and sexual function through multiple avenues. Its vital for dopamine, histamine, nitric oxide function, all three vital for strong libido. You can try eating more folic acid fortified foods in the diet or supplementing folate, say a couple of milligrams a day and see if libido improves. Vitamin C and B3 synergize well with folate for this purpose, neither are anti-estrogen.

Also ballooning up in weight is due to eating too many calories, but decreased histamine levels can cause excessive hunger which makes overeating more likely.

Vitamin E antagonizes prostaglandins (which also help signal histamine) and has anti-histamine effect by preventing release of histamine from mast cells. So overdose of E can amplify this too much and can shut off libido besides the fact that it has anti-estrogen effects. Just to say what needs to be said, you should never ever take such a massive amount of vitamin E or something similar ever again.

Thank you so much for responding.
Any idea of how long for this Vitamin E to be out of the system?
I have tried to search online, and the half life is 40 hours. But I do not understand how to apply the half life when the tissues are saturate.
 

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Thank you so much for responding.
Any idea of how long for this Vitamin E to be out of the system?
I have tried to search online, and the half life is 40 hours. But I do not understand how to apply the half life when the tissues are saturate.

Book I use says 2 week half life... I mean after all it is fat soluble so it can be stored. The issue is not its half life though, it will take time to let your system reset from overdosing but it doesnt mean libido will come back because we dont really know much about what taking such a high dose does.

Try folate supplementation with C and B3 and getting more zinc and iron in the diet (red meat, especially steak) and see if it helps for now.
 

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How did you gain so much weight? Gaining that much weight will certainly mess with your hormones, cut back on the caloric intake. Also, apparently androsterone can lower T by through the DHT conversion pathway. So it's likely the tanking in T has crashed your libido. I would drop everything except pansterone, keeping pansterone in your protocol at low dosages could bring it back up due to the DHEA in it.
 

jtoro

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Hello,
I have been asking questions relevant to this issue in a few other posts, but thought making a new threat might help me better.

So after going from keto/carnivore to a more "peaty" diet, I have gone from 210lbs to 280lbs.
I have gut issues as shown in stool tests and SIBO tests. The gut issues led to lots of anxiety. Working with antimicrobials and activated charcoal has helped a lot on that front.

My testosterone has also gone from the 500s to the 100s over the last few years.
My estradiol was consistently in the 25 range.

However, over the last few months, I have experimented with Androsterone/Pansterone and Vitamin E in an effort to increase testosterone and improve fertility.

Vitamin E 800mg for a 2 months.
Androsterone 1mg for a month, then 2mg for a month, then 5mg for a few days.
Pansterone 15mg for 2 months.
The last month I ran out of Pansterone and was only taking the Androsterone.

Unfortunately, the results have been a
1)going from a libido (5/10) to (0/10) . no desire for sex
2) Estradiol from 26.8 to 15.4 (before I did another month of the androsterone). I will test it this week . It is likely much lower.

I stopped taking Vitamin E, 2 weeks ago.
I stopped taking the androsterone/pansterone last week after the no libido became unbearable.

So my question: I'm fat and have LOW estrogen.

What are the best way to recover from the androsterone/pansterone/vitamin E inhibition of estrogen?

What are some experiences you've had with these substances?

From what I've seen in the forum, anecdotal evidence suggests a low estradiol is a real concern regarding libido (despite what some studies posted say).
I am concerned that some people are reporting long-lasting libido issues from a similar combination.
This is despite that androsterone/pansterone have short half-lives. Vitamin E is a bit longer I understand as a fat-soluble vitamin.



In the meantime, I am working on increasing my gut health (antimicrobials/prebiotics/probiotics/activated charcoal/no starch) and maximizing dopamine/lowering serotonin.


I'm pretty scared. Despite having anxiety issues stemming from gut issues, my libido had always been reliable. But having no libido is absolutely soul-crushing.

Thanks.

I should specify that the bloodwork and drop in libido was after I was already fat and was with the introduction of androsterone
 

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Book I use says 2 week half life... I mean after all it is fat soluble so it can be stored. The issue is not its half life though, it will take time to let your system reset from overdosing but it doesnt mean libido will come back because we dont really know much about what taking such a high dose does.

Try folate supplementation with C and B3 and getting more zinc and iron in the diet (red meat, especially steak) and see if it helps for now.

Do you really believe that 800mg of vitamin e could be considerred an overdose? I believe there are plenty of people on this forum who have used that much. I take 250mg most days, I think 500mg is standard for some.
 

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From the nutrient book I have here, possible effects of vitamin E overdose are listed as "High blood pressure, allergies, gastrointestinal distress, nausea, derangements of Fe metabolism"

Too much vitamin E can mess with iron metabolism, iron being especially vital for libido by increasing dopamine, and nitric oxide. Could be due to the fact it antagonizes vitamin A. Taking such a massive amount, its hard to know what went wrong but I blame it mostly on the vitamin E rather than the hormones you took.

Wheat is fortified with vitamins but particularly there is quite a bit of folic acid especially if you eat a few servings at a time. This likely is what is improving libido since folic acid helps libido and sexual function through multiple avenues. Its vital for dopamine, histamine, nitric oxide function, all three vital for strong libido. You can try eating more folic acid fortified foods in the diet or supplementing folate, say a couple of milligrams a day and see if libido improves. Vitamin C and B3 synergize well with folate for this purpose, neither are anti-estrogen.

Also ballooning up in weight is due to eating too many calories, but decreased histamine levels can cause excessive hunger which makes overeating more likely.

Vitamin E antagonizes prostaglandins (which also help signal histamine) and has anti-histamine effect by preventing release of histamine from mast cells. So overdose of E can amplify this too much and can shut off libido besides the fact that it has anti-estrogen effects. Just to say what needs to be said, you should never ever take such a massive amount of vitamin E or something similar ever again.
Its strange that book says high intake of vitamin E can cause high blood pressure and allergies etc, since vitamin E acts a powerful estrogen antagonist and a pro-progesterone substance its well known for its ability to decrease blood pressure in alot of the high doses, estrogen and histamine are also closely related and stimulate each other and so the reduced estrogen from vitamin E would be more likely to lower histamine,

There is talk of vitamin E helping to lower iron levels but how do you know iron helps stimulate dopamine? Theres a few threads and studies talking about how iron increases serotonin through the enzyme TPH and we know serotonin antagonizes dopamine, nitric oxide we know is also harmful in excess and nitric oxide is known to lower dopamine likely because it inhibits mitochondrial function to a degree,

If i had to guess i would say it could be the hormones because androsterone is known to convert into DHT and when DHT becomes too high its known it can suppress the gonadal axis and restrict testosterone production, and i experienced essentially very similar libido issues while taking the same hormones but no vitamin E,

There is talk of certain hormones being able to have a negative feedback mechanism and suppress gonadal function which is said to be responsible for the libido issues,

Thats just my thoughts all we can do is speculate,

But most of the studies posted on the forum usually by users like haidut show vitamin E’s benefits increase the higher the dose, theres studies shared with doses up to even around 5000mg where it chops prolactin and estrogen down to nothing, improves vascularity, stops asthma/pneumonia etc. Personally just from the studies ive seen on vitamin E im convinced it’s helpful unless some evidence maybe shows higher doses can be responsible for negative effects for a logical reason,

But hormones can be confusing and alot of people report negative libido effects from it.

However the good news is for men (maybe for women too) pregnenolone seems to be one hormones that can restore gonadal function and its known for being likely the primary male fertility hormone,

Those are just my thoughts at least hopefully we can figure something out
 

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Unfortunately, the results have been a
1)going from a libido (5/10) to (0/10) . no desire for sex
2) Estradiol from 26.8 to 15.4 (before I did another month of the androsterone). I will test it this week . It is likely much lower.

So my question: I'm fat and have LOW estrogen.

But, do you though? The range for serum estradiol for men is 10-50 pg/mL. So, if that's the same measurement, you are still well within the normal range. That's not even considering things like estrone or estriol or tissue bound estrogen. Meanwhile, testosterone at 100 ng/ml is way below any lab range. Weird that you don't seem to care about that number at all.
 

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Its strange that book says high intake of vitamin E can cause high blood pressure and allergies etc, since vitamin E acts a powerful estrogen antagonist and a pro-progesterone substance its well known for its ability to decrease blood pressure in alot of the high doses, estrogen and histamine are also closely related and stimulate each other and so the reduced estrogen from vitamin E would be more likely to lower histamine,

There is talk of vitamin E helping to lower iron levels but how do you know iron helps stimulate dopamine? Theres a few threads and studies talking about how iron increases serotonin through the enzyme TPH and we know serotonin antagonizes dopamine, nitric oxide we know is also harmful in excess and nitric oxide is known to lower dopamine likely because it inhibits mitochondrial function to a degree,

If i had to guess i would say it could be the hormones because androsterone is known to convert into DHT and when DHT becomes too high its known it can suppress the gonadal axis and restrict testosterone production, and i experienced essentially very similar libido issues while taking the same hormones but no vitamin E,

There is talk of certain hormones being able to have a negative feedback mechanism and suppress gonadal function which is said to be responsible for the libido issues,

Thats just my thoughts all we can do is speculate,

But most of the studies posted on the forum usually by users like haidut show vitamin E’s benefits increase the higher the dose, theres studies shared with doses up to even around 5000mg where it chops prolactin and estrogen down to nothing, improves vascularity, stops asthma/pneumonia etc. Personally just from the studies ive seen on vitamin E im convinced it’s helpful unless some evidence maybe shows higher doses can be responsible for negative effects for a logical reason,

But hormones can be confusing and alot of people report negative libido effects from it.

However the good news is for men (maybe for women too) pregnenolone seems to be one hormones that can restore gonadal function and its known for being likely the primary male fertility hormone,

Those are just my thoughts at least hopefully we can figure something out

Iron is needed for tyrosine hydroxylase, which makes L-DOPA which then makes dopamine via P5P. Its directly needed to carry oxygen which is needed for most reactions (including this one) as well but that's besides the point. Yeh the tryptophan hydroxylase enzyme also depends on iron but that's not how you go about lowering serotonin (by getting rid of its cofactors).

A vitamin is not going to behave how it would "normally" when you take ridiculously high doses. Its can be like a drug with its own unique effects that you won't get at RDI doses.
 
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Hello,
I have been asking questions relevant to this issue in a few other posts, but thought making a new threat might help me better.

So after going from keto/carnivore to a more "peaty" diet, I have gone from 210lbs to 280lbs.
I have gut issues as shown in stool tests and SIBO tests. The gut issues led to lots of anxiety. Working with antimicrobials and activated charcoal has helped a lot on that front.

My testosterone has also gone from the 500s to the 100s over the last few years.
My estradiol was consistently in the 25 range.

However, over the last few months, I have experimented with Androsterone/Pansterone and Vitamin E in an effort to increase testosterone and improve fertility.

Vitamin E 800mg for a 2 months.
Androsterone 1mg for a month, then 2mg for a month, then 5mg for a few days.
Pansterone 15mg for 2 months.
The last month I ran out of Pansterone and was only taking the Androsterone.

Unfortunately, the results have been a
1)going from a libido (5/10) to (0/10) . no desire for sex
2) Estradiol from 26.8 to 15.4 (before I did another month of the androsterone). I will test it this week . It is likely much lower.

I stopped taking Vitamin E, 2 weeks ago.
I stopped taking the androsterone/pansterone last week after the no libido became unbearable.

So my question: I'm fat and have LOW estrogen.

What are the best way to recover from the androsterone/pansterone/vitamin E inhibition of estrogen?

What are some experiences you've had with these substances?

From what I've seen in the forum, anecdotal evidence suggests a low estradiol is a real concern regarding libido (despite what some studies posted say).
I am concerned that some people are reporting long-lasting libido issues from a similar combination.
This is despite that androsterone/pansterone have short half-lives. Vitamin E is a bit longer I understand as a fat-soluble vitamin.



In the meantime, I am working on increasing my gut health (antimicrobials/prebiotics/probiotics/activated charcoal/no starch) and maximizing dopamine/lowering serotonin.


I'm pretty scared. Despite having anxiety issues stemming from gut issues, my libido had always been reliable. But having no libido is absolutely soul-crushing.

Thanks.
I had similar problems when taking androsterone , I was considering myself a fairly high estrogen person ,so I doubt it just crashed my estrogen to zero in a few days . I never took more than 1 mg per day .
I think it also lowers progesterone or something beneficial , at least other AIs have been shown to lower progesterone. I think that's where to joint pain comes from as well.
For me it only got better when I stopped taking andro. But while I was on it I had the best results taking andro and progesterone together.
I have also made a diluted version that contains 0,1mg per drop and use that occasionally.
 
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Iron is needed for tyrosine hydroxylase, which makes L-DOPA which then makes dopamine via P5P. Its directly needed to carry oxygen which is needed for most reactions (including this one) as well but that's besides the point. Yeh the tryptophan hydroxylase enzyme also depends on iron but that's not how you go about lowering serotonin (by getting rid of its cofactors).

A vitamin is not going to behave how it would "normally" when you take ridiculously high doses. Its can be like a drug with its own unique effects that you won't get at RDI doses.
Oh ok see, makes sense i mean iron is essential so it makes sense it should have funcions such as serving for things like dopamine however many other things agonize that pathway so i wouldnt say it would be wise or logical to supplement or increase iron unless theres a true proven deficiency, but because of all the negative implications of iron and its reactions with PUFA free radicals etc. I feel its more at risk for a serotonergic effect if someone really tries to increase their iron alot, i mean vitamin E is known to serum lower iron but i dont think its an actual iron chelator like aspirin and others, and so i dont think a person could risk having an iron deficiency from taking vitamin E? I could see maybe if they were giving blood frequently, but i’d have to agree that overdosing any vitamin is likely not a good idea, it also depends on the vitamin too, the b-vitamins being water soluble are known to be safe in higher amounts where as things like minerals are known to be dangerous to take in high amounts as supplements, but most of the studies on vitamin E show its relatively beneficial in doses even as high as 3800mg, so if it is iron causing those issues, i think he would need a test to prove he’s iron deficient but i think just eating a normal healthy diet or having a bit of meat or eggs, or even some vegetables a person should be getting more than enough iron to meet their needs no? Hard to say but i think because iron is essential it likely has alot of beneficial functions like helping with dopamine production but if the iron is the issue i guess it would have to be confirmed theres a deficiency, i didnt know it affected tyrosine hydroxylaze though thats interesting
 

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Oh ok see, makes sense i mean iron is essential so it makes sense it should have funcions such as serving for things like dopamine however many other things agonize that pathway so i wouldnt say it would be wise or logical to supplement or increase iron unless theres a true proven deficiency, but because of all the negative implications of iron and its reactions with PUFA free radicals etc. I feel its more at risk for a serotonergic effect if someone really tries to increase their iron alot, i mean vitamin E is known to serum lower iron but i dont think its an actual iron chelator like aspirin and others, and so i dont think a person could risk having an iron deficiency from taking vitamin E? I could see maybe if they were giving blood frequently, but i’d have to agree that overdosing any vitamin is likely not a good idea, it also depends on the vitamin too, the b-vitamins being water soluble are known to be safe in higher amounts where as things like minerals are known to be dangerous to take in high amounts as supplements, but most of the studies on vitamin E show its relatively beneficial in doses even as high as 3800mg, so if it is iron causing those issues, i think he would need a test to prove he’s iron deficient but i think just eating a normal healthy diet or having a bit of meat or eggs, or even some vegetables a person should be getting more than enough iron to meet their needs no? Hard to say but i think because iron is essential it likely has alot of beneficial functions like helping with dopamine production but if the iron is the issue i guess it would have to be confirmed theres a deficiency, i didnt know it affected tyrosine hydroxylaze though thats interesting

It doesn't just affect or agonize the pathway, the pathway does not work without iron. That means you aren't going to be making enough L-dopa, which is what dopamine is made from. If someone is iron deficient and thus iron is too low in the brain, this can and probably does lead to low dopamine and can affect the other catecholamines as well, since they are made from dopamine.

A "normal" diet does prevent iron deficiency and usually maintains iron levels wherever they are at. But having already low iron and trying to raise it from diet alone is very difficult. Iron absorption is very low normally, also calcium inhibits absorption further. Athletes, women, teenagers, children are generally more at risk for ID due to either increased losses and/or increased needs.

If you consume copious amounts of dairy and thus calcium you will absorb much less iron. Also increased inflammation (athletes also have this problem from the inflammation due to exercise) can affect absorption negatively.

Yes it is ideal to test it to know if you need it.
 

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Vitamin E reduces sodium and estrogen.
sodium and boron supplementation can help.

I have the same problem as you, I just ordered boron and sodium.
I would say the result.
 

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Vit e can cause muscle tiredness. It is good to check sodium potassium balance.
 

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Vit e can cause muscle tiredness. It is good to check sodium potassium balance.
Is muscle relaxation caused by decreased cortisol and increased gaba?


because after taking vitamins E and D, I have this kind of symptoms,
I am very relaxed, not at all nervous as before.
The problem is, it completely killed my libido and made me depressed.

It's been four months since my libido disappeared.

Coffee and B vitamins help me a lot in increasing my mood and sexual function.
but it is a temporary solution.
 
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