Hello everyone!
I've been cruising around the forum for the last couple of months and really learned some great stuff.
I've also tried to incorporate as much as possible of Ray's advice regarding diet and supplements.
Then I discovered @haidut and his work.
As many of us here I'm also interested in increasing my rats androgen levels.
He trains in the gym and trying to build muscle, strength and also live as healthy life as possible. He's quite dedicated to all this.
He is 29 years old, 185xm high, around 86-87 kg, 15-16% bodyfat, bulking at the moment, been training sports as long as he can remember. Gym training the last 10-ish human years, more seriously last 3-4.
After reading about IdeaLabs products and reviews, testimonials from you guys, I decided to try some on him in hopes of increasing Testosterone, DHT, Thyroid, and lowering or holding under control Estrogen, Cortisol and all other "bad guys".
Tried Pansterone, Androsterone, Kuinone ,TyroMix, Tyronene.
Started with 1:1 ratio Pansterone Androsterone of 2 drops each per day and 10-15mg Kuinone. Felt something positive was happening.
Increased the doses up to 10MG of each Pansterone Androsterone, soon libido went down.
Solved that with adding TyroMix, 2-3 drops per day.
He felt good again.
Trained in the gym like a maniac.
And that was maybe the turned point...
He overtrained a little bit I think, cause he lost libido almost over night and started feeling beaten down and really tired. Sleep was getting worse, waking up tired in the morning ...
Probably cortisol related ... Too much and hard training, too much cortisol, too much Progesterone and DHEA usage for cortisol production and then game over. No raw materials for cortisol nor the other steroids.
Took a deload week. Started adding some pregnenolone cream on top of 10MG Pansterone and Androsterone , 15-30mg pregnenolone cream extra per day.
Felt a bit better.
The week after he stopped with pregnenolone cream and continued with just Pansterone, Androsterone, Kuinone and TyroMix.
After he started feeling little estrogenic (bloat, brain fog, difficult to concentrate, emotional...) he stopped with Pansterone and continued with just Androsterone up to 15MG, Kuinone and introduced Tyronene 2 drops per day.
Introducing Tyronene helped. Energy levels increased (cortisol probably went up a bit from it), some libido improvement also.
This all happened two weeks prior to taking blood.
So, he did blood work after just a couple of days of feeling better, after introducing Tyronene 2 drops per day, 15MG Androsterone and ~18mg Kuinone .
So, here are the results, first ever...
Cholesterol 5.79 mmol/L (<5.20)
HDL 1.17 mmol/L (>1.00)
Non HDL 4.62 mmol/L (<4.10)
LDL 4.32 mmol/L (<4.10)
Triglycerides 0.65 mmol/L (<1.70)
Atherosclerosis risk 3.7 (<3.00)
Risk factor 4.9 (<4.5)
ALT (SGPT) 49 U/L (<55)
AST (SGOT) 67 U/L (<34)
Alkaline phosphatase 88 U/L (40-150)
GAMA GT 24 U/L (12-64)
s-TSH 2.360 uIU/mL (0.400-4.000)
FT3 4.57 pmol/L (2.76-6.45)
FT4 13.6 pmol/L (11.5-22.7)
Cortisol morning 439 nmol/L (138-690)
Dopamine plasma 17 pg/ml (<100)
Serotonine 267 ug/L (50-220)
Vitamin 25-OH D total 116.8 nmol/L (75-250)
Estradiol 21.5 pg/mL (0-56)
Estradiol 78.9 pmol/L
FSH 4.4 mIU/ml (0.7-11)
LH 3.92 mIU/ml (0.8-7.6)
Prolactine 202 mIU/L (53-360)
Progesterone 0.88 nmol/L (0.86-2.9)
Progesterone 0.28 ng/ml (0.27-0.92)
Testosterone 8.91 nmol/L (5.54-25.20)
FREE Testosterone 10.96 pg/ml (7-22.70)
DHT 345.4 pg/ml (250-999)
SHBG 27 nmol/L (13-71)
DHEA-S 117 ug/dL (80-560)
DHEA 3.5 ng/mL (1.8-12.5)
Estrone E1 48 pg/mL (15-80)
As you can see Testosterone is low, so is DHT and Free Testosterone.
DHEA and DHEA-S also lowish.
I was surprised that Estradiol and Estrone E1 were on the lower end, I was expecting them to be higher.
SHBG - Ok.
Progesterone is also quite low. Maybe because he train hard and that his body is using too much Progesterone for making cortisol.
That's probably the reason for low DHEA and DHEA-S, I suppose?
And consequently low all other steroid hormones?
Morning cortisol seems ok...
Prolactine? It could be lower? What do you think?
FSH and LH?
Vitamin D?
Dopamine low, Serotonine high. What's the cause of that, what do you think?
I'm bulking at the moment and a lot of carbs on my 4 training days per week.
Maybe that's why?
Thyroid seems ok...
Liver enzymes are higher than expected...
Thoughts why?
Cholesterol high... Maybe because I'm trying to eat a lot of cholesterol rich food to increase steroid production.
Triglycerides are ok, so I suppose higher cholesterol is not such a big problem?
And Atherosclerosis risk is high. Why is that so, what do you think? (if Triglycerides are low)
I'm really interested in what you think and should I approach to all this.
Start with Pansterone again, slowly increasing the doses up to 15MG a day or?
Continue with Tyronene?
Maybe combine Tyronene 2 drops and 8-10 MG Pansterone with 15MG Androsterone and 15-20mg Kuinone?
Maybe try adding Stresanon for added Pregnenolone and to increase Progesterone? Or add 5 DHP?
What about Prolactine?
Serotonine? Maybe try Metergoline?
Ok guys... A looooong post, I know. Just wanted to cover everything.
Thanks in advance...
Thoughts?
@haidut
I've been cruising around the forum for the last couple of months and really learned some great stuff.
I've also tried to incorporate as much as possible of Ray's advice regarding diet and supplements.
Then I discovered @haidut and his work.
As many of us here I'm also interested in increasing my rats androgen levels.
He trains in the gym and trying to build muscle, strength and also live as healthy life as possible. He's quite dedicated to all this.
He is 29 years old, 185xm high, around 86-87 kg, 15-16% bodyfat, bulking at the moment, been training sports as long as he can remember. Gym training the last 10-ish human years, more seriously last 3-4.
After reading about IdeaLabs products and reviews, testimonials from you guys, I decided to try some on him in hopes of increasing Testosterone, DHT, Thyroid, and lowering or holding under control Estrogen, Cortisol and all other "bad guys".
Tried Pansterone, Androsterone, Kuinone ,TyroMix, Tyronene.
Started with 1:1 ratio Pansterone Androsterone of 2 drops each per day and 10-15mg Kuinone. Felt something positive was happening.
Increased the doses up to 10MG of each Pansterone Androsterone, soon libido went down.
Solved that with adding TyroMix, 2-3 drops per day.
He felt good again.
Trained in the gym like a maniac.
And that was maybe the turned point...
He overtrained a little bit I think, cause he lost libido almost over night and started feeling beaten down and really tired. Sleep was getting worse, waking up tired in the morning ...
Probably cortisol related ... Too much and hard training, too much cortisol, too much Progesterone and DHEA usage for cortisol production and then game over. No raw materials for cortisol nor the other steroids.
Took a deload week. Started adding some pregnenolone cream on top of 10MG Pansterone and Androsterone , 15-30mg pregnenolone cream extra per day.
Felt a bit better.
The week after he stopped with pregnenolone cream and continued with just Pansterone, Androsterone, Kuinone and TyroMix.
After he started feeling little estrogenic (bloat, brain fog, difficult to concentrate, emotional...) he stopped with Pansterone and continued with just Androsterone up to 15MG, Kuinone and introduced Tyronene 2 drops per day.
Introducing Tyronene helped. Energy levels increased (cortisol probably went up a bit from it), some libido improvement also.
This all happened two weeks prior to taking blood.
So, he did blood work after just a couple of days of feeling better, after introducing Tyronene 2 drops per day, 15MG Androsterone and ~18mg Kuinone .
So, here are the results, first ever...
Cholesterol 5.79 mmol/L (<5.20)
HDL 1.17 mmol/L (>1.00)
Non HDL 4.62 mmol/L (<4.10)
LDL 4.32 mmol/L (<4.10)
Triglycerides 0.65 mmol/L (<1.70)
Atherosclerosis risk 3.7 (<3.00)
Risk factor 4.9 (<4.5)
ALT (SGPT) 49 U/L (<55)
AST (SGOT) 67 U/L (<34)
Alkaline phosphatase 88 U/L (40-150)
GAMA GT 24 U/L (12-64)
s-TSH 2.360 uIU/mL (0.400-4.000)
FT3 4.57 pmol/L (2.76-6.45)
FT4 13.6 pmol/L (11.5-22.7)
Cortisol morning 439 nmol/L (138-690)
Dopamine plasma 17 pg/ml (<100)
Serotonine 267 ug/L (50-220)
Vitamin 25-OH D total 116.8 nmol/L (75-250)
Estradiol 21.5 pg/mL (0-56)
Estradiol 78.9 pmol/L
FSH 4.4 mIU/ml (0.7-11)
LH 3.92 mIU/ml (0.8-7.6)
Prolactine 202 mIU/L (53-360)
Progesterone 0.88 nmol/L (0.86-2.9)
Progesterone 0.28 ng/ml (0.27-0.92)
Testosterone 8.91 nmol/L (5.54-25.20)
FREE Testosterone 10.96 pg/ml (7-22.70)
DHT 345.4 pg/ml (250-999)
SHBG 27 nmol/L (13-71)
DHEA-S 117 ug/dL (80-560)
DHEA 3.5 ng/mL (1.8-12.5)
Estrone E1 48 pg/mL (15-80)
As you can see Testosterone is low, so is DHT and Free Testosterone.
DHEA and DHEA-S also lowish.
I was surprised that Estradiol and Estrone E1 were on the lower end, I was expecting them to be higher.
SHBG - Ok.
Progesterone is also quite low. Maybe because he train hard and that his body is using too much Progesterone for making cortisol.
That's probably the reason for low DHEA and DHEA-S, I suppose?
And consequently low all other steroid hormones?
Morning cortisol seems ok...
Prolactine? It could be lower? What do you think?
FSH and LH?
Vitamin D?
Dopamine low, Serotonine high. What's the cause of that, what do you think?
I'm bulking at the moment and a lot of carbs on my 4 training days per week.
Maybe that's why?
Thyroid seems ok...
Liver enzymes are higher than expected...
Thoughts why?
Cholesterol high... Maybe because I'm trying to eat a lot of cholesterol rich food to increase steroid production.
Triglycerides are ok, so I suppose higher cholesterol is not such a big problem?
And Atherosclerosis risk is high. Why is that so, what do you think? (if Triglycerides are low)
I'm really interested in what you think and should I approach to all this.
Start with Pansterone again, slowly increasing the doses up to 15MG a day or?
Continue with Tyronene?
Maybe combine Tyronene 2 drops and 8-10 MG Pansterone with 15MG Androsterone and 15-20mg Kuinone?
Maybe try adding Stresanon for added Pregnenolone and to increase Progesterone? Or add 5 DHP?
What about Prolactine?
Serotonine? Maybe try Metergoline?
Ok guys... A looooong post, I know. Just wanted to cover everything.
Thanks in advance...
Thoughts?
@haidut