Dating and Working in a Vaccinated World

[tankasnowgod]

I think TPTB are intentionally breeding a super-virus with mass application of the vaxx to kill many people, create a state of emergency, and use it to create the great reset.

I don't believe in "Super Viruses." I think it has a whole lot more to do with host health, and other factors.

If the virus doesn't exist, why are they able to even discover and identify variants with consistency?

Short answer..... they don't. They are basically just making stuff up. It's pretty easy to make stuff up with consistency.

As janky and the fraudulent as the COVID tests are, the "varient" tests are exponentially more janky and fraudulent.

Even the Mass Satanic Media says as much-

You aren't legally allowed to know which variant gave you COVID-19 in the US, even if it's Delta

Sequencing tests, which pick up on variants, have to be federally approved before their results can be disclosed to doctors or patients.

www.businessinsider.com

So far, Wroblewski said, more than 50 public labs in the US are capable of sequencing coronavirus samples to detect variants. But she's not aware of any labs that have completed the validation process to get federal approval.

"The process of validating a next-generation sequencing test is burdensome," Wroblewski said. "It takes a lot of time. It takes a lot of data. It takes a lot of resources. And the thing about the variants is that variants of concern and of interest are constantly changing, so you would have to do a whole validation every time you have a variant."

For a sequencing test to be validated, a manufacturer needs to collect data to show that the test does a good job of detecting a specific variant, then request emergency authorization from the Food and Drug Administration. Alternatively, laboratories can validate their sequencing tests "in house," meaning they collect the same data so CMS can approve their test.

I certainly don't think that "Federal Approval" is the be all end all, but these labs can self verify. Why take the time, gather the data, and use lots of resources when you can, you know, just cheat? "Hey, I think we found a Lambada- Dance Of Death variant. To be sure, I checked my results with myself, and yep, totally the Lambada Variant."

Also, if viruses don't affect healthy people, then why are there mild ones like the common cold and severe ones like rabies?

I never made the claim that "viruses don't affect healthy people," although I am aware of that hypothesis. My claim is that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't exist. I base that on the fact that no health agency in the world has a sample of this "Novel Corona Virus," the tests were also developed without a sample (admittedly), and are easily manipulated to boot.

Although, I don't know if "viruses" are the cause of the common cold, or if they are the only cause. I think there can be many things that can bring about a mild cold, especially since excess endotoxin is what is the likely trigger of common cold symptoms. There might even be cases of the common cold that aren't even triggered by a germ.

Covid may have started as an (intentionally) overblown threat, but it may become a real one, silencing people who say covid is as much of a threat as a common or bad flu.

It's still overblown. It's the Flu, rebranded. Of course, they also rebrand cancer and heart disease and kidney failure and motorcycle crash victims and murder suicides, so I guess that's more of a "threat," but that "threat" is only coming from governments, "health officials," and the media.

First off, even taking the supposed "Covid Death Toll" at face value, it's not a pandemic. 5 Million Deaths over 23+ months isn't a "Pandemic." It's well within what would be expected of Respiratory Disease Deaths within that time frame. Roughly about 35-40% of Respiratory Disease Deaths, actually.

Of course, it's nowhere near that in reality. As Anthony Colpo points out, the "Death Toll" is a big, fat fraud, and needs to be reduced by well over 90%

The Official COVID-19 Death Toll is a Big Fat Fraud

As I write this, the popular facts and figures website worldometer.info is reporting 578,975 COVID-19 deaths for the US, through 15 April 2021. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website claims that, as of 15 April 2021, there have been 561,356 deaths from COVID-19. I'm...

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[Kayaker]

I don't believe in "Super Viruses." I think it has a whole lot more to do with host health, and other factors.

Short answer..... they don't. They are basically just making stuff up. It's pretty easy to make stuff up with consistency.

As janky and the fraudulent as the COVID tests are, the "varient" tests are exponentially more janky and fraudulent.

Even the Mass Satanic Media says as much-

You aren't legally allowed to know which variant gave you COVID-19 in the US, even if it's Delta

Sequencing tests, which pick up on variants, have to be federally approved before their results can be disclosed to doctors or patients.

www.businessinsider.com

I certainly don't think that "Federal Approval" is the be all end all, but these labs can self verify. Why take the time, gather the data, and use lots of resources when you can, you know, just cheat? "Hey, I think we found a Lambada- Dance Of Death variant. To be sure, I checked my results with myself, and yep, totally the Lambada Variant."

I never made the claim that "viruses don't affect healthy people," although I am aware of that hypothesis. My claim is that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't exist. I base that on the fact that no health agency in the world has a sample of this "Novel Corona Virus," the tests were also developed without a sample (admittedly), and are easily manipulated to boot.

Although, I don't know if "viruses" are the cause of the common cold, or if they are the only cause. I think there can be many things that can bring about a mild cold, especially since excess endotoxin is what is the likely trigger of common cold symptoms. There might even be cases of the common cold that aren't even triggered by a germ.

It's still overblown. It's the Flu, rebranded. Of course, they also rebrand cancer and heart disease and kidney failure and motorcycle crash victims and murder suicides, so I guess that's more of a "threat," but that "threat" is only coming from governments, "health officials," and the media.

First off, even taking the supposed "Covid Death Toll" at face value, it's not a pandemic. 5 Million Deaths over 23+ months isn't a "Pandemic." It's well within what would be expected of Respiratory Disease Deaths within that time frame. Roughly about 35-40% of Respiratory Disease Deaths, actually.

Of course, it's nowhere near that in reality. As Anthony Colpo points out, the "Death Toll" is a big, fat fraud, and needs to be reduced by well over 90%

The Official COVID-19 Death Toll is a Big Fat Fraud

As I write this, the popular facts and figures website worldometer.info is reporting 578,975 COVID-19 deaths for the US, through 15 April 2021. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website claims that, as of 15 April 2021, there have been 561,356 deaths from COVID-19. I'm...

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SARS-CoV-2 is similar to other coronaviruses from the proteins they discovered, most notably the spike protein.

SARS-CoV-2 causes similar symptoms to SARS-CoV-1 and the vaxx which makes the body produce spike protein.

The vaxx is probably a better way to assess the effects of the spike protein than the viruses themselves since the vaxx creates more spike proteins than the viruses. Also, illnesses that occur with positive PCR tests are often not due to the virus, in other words not due to the virus's spike protein.

I read that SARS-CoV2 is highly contagious and spread in the air, rather through respiratory droplets. This makes it perfect for increasing "death count", or in other words, any deaths that occur with positive PCR tests.

I imagine organizations are unwilling to purify the virus because the flaky tests such as PCR would stop being used. The PCR test is used to impair immunity by damaging the nasal cavity. This definitely increases covid mortality among the unvaxxed, who get PCR tests done much more often than the vaxxed.

Possibly to the extent that the vaxxed have statistically lower mortality or a less severe infection when they are infected with covid than the unvaxxed. The vaxx could have zero benefit except saving people from PCR tests that impair immunity.

 

[tankasnowgod]

SARS-CoV-2 is similar to other coronaviruses from the proteins they discovered, most notably the spike protein.

That's the claim. But how come no health agency has an isolated sample of this virus that shut down the world for two years? What, they had more important things to do?

SARS-CoV-2 causes similar symptoms to SARS-CoV-1 and the vaxx which makes the body produce spike protein.

Yeah, you know why? Because, since there is no sample of SARS-Cov-2, they just used the genetic parts of the original SARS wherever they didn't have enough data.

The vaxx is probably a better way to assess the effects of the spike protein than the viruses themselves since the vaxx creates more spike proteins than the viruses. Also, illnesses that occur with positive PCR tests are often not due to the virus, in other words not due to the virus's spike protein.

Disagree. There's all sorts of other things in the demonvax that can be having a detrimental effect, like custom lipids and the toxin SM-102 in Moderna. Neither Pfizer nor Modena claim to have the spike protein, or any sort of "virus" in them, but instead make the dubious and totally untested claim that they cause your own cells to manufacture the spike protein. (Is this even possible? Our cells can't even make some amino acids like phenylanaline, but now we can manufacture complex foreign proteins on demand?) These are, far and away, the most commonly used Covid "Vaccines" in the US. The J&J one claims to have a genetically modified Adenovirus with the spike protein grafted onto it. But there are all sorts of other potential confounders. And it's not like the J&J one used a sample from the original lady who ate a bat in a Wuhan Wet Market.

I read that SARS-CoV2 is highly contagious and spread in the air, rather through respiratory droplets.

Yeah, and I've read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which claimed that Vogons destroyed the Earth. This doesn't mean what either of us read is true. How did they determine this, what was the materials and methods of the paper you read?

This makes it perfect for increasing "death count", or in other words, any deaths that occur with positive PCR tests.

Deaths that occur without a PCR test would be eyeball diagnosis. Since literally every one of the "Covid Symptoms" listed by the CDC overlaps with the cold and flu (and also many other conditions), deaths without any sort of test certainly don't prove the existence of a "Novel Corona Virus."

I imagine organizations are unwilling to purify the virus because the flaky tests such as PCR would stop being used.

This doesn't make it any less fraudulent.

The PCR test is used to impair immunity by damaging the nasal cavity.

I tend to agree with this. I even saw a video of a nurse suggested that the Ethylene Oxide on the swabs could be driving the increase of loss of taste and smell that seems to be more popular nowadays. Certainly makes sense, since most adults weren't regularly sticking foreign objects up their nose with this regularity before 2019.

This definitely increases covid mortality among the unvaxxed, who get PCR tests done much more often than the vaxxed.

Possibly to the extent that the vaxxed have statistically lower mortality or a less severe infection when they are infected with covid than the unvaxxed. The vaxx could have zero benefit except saving people from PCR tests that impair immunity.

The RCTs didn't even test for reduction of severe cases or deaths, so there is zero evidence that the demonvax can reduce deaths or serious cases.

 

[Kayaker]

That's the claim. But how come no health agency has an isolated sample of this virus that shut down the world for two years? What, they had more important things to do?

Their employees were affected by the plandemic as well.

Yeah, you know why? Because, since there is no sample of SARS-Cov-2, they just used the genetic parts of the original SARS wherever they didn't have enough data.

Everyone already believes there's a virus. What would the financial motive be, especially if creating flunky data based on variants would be more profitable?

Disagree. There's all sorts of other things in the demonvax that can be having a detrimental effect, like custom lipids and the toxin SM-102 in Moderna. Neither Pfizer nor Modena claim to have the spike protein, or any sort of "virus" in them, but instead make the dubious and totally untested claim that they cause your own cells to manufacture the spike protein. (Is this even possible? Our cells can't even make some amino acids like phenylanaline, but now we can manufacture complex foreign proteins on demand?) These are, far and away, the most commonly used Covid "Vaccines" in the US. The J&J one claims to have a genetically modified Adenovirus with the spike protein grafted onto it. But there are all sorts of other potential confounders. And it's not like the J&J one used a sample from the original lady who ate a bat in a Wuhan Wet Market.

Ultrasensitive blood test detects viral protein, confirms mRNA vaccine activates robust immune response

In series of samples collected from individuals vaccinated against COVID-19, an ultrasensitive test detected low concentrations of circulating antigen. Following robust production of antibodies, investigators found that the viral protein declined to undetectable levels.

www.sciencedaily.com

I'm aware of the miscellaneous substances in the vaxx, and my reasoning is that the substances vary in vaxxes made by different companies, yet the adverse effects and causes of death are usually similar (blood clotting, stroke, heart attack, myocarditis, and pericarditis) and related to the mechanism of action of the spike protein (binding to the ACE2 receptor).

Yeah, and I've read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which claimed that Vogons destroyed the Earth. This doesn't mean what either of us read is true. How did they determine this, what was the materials and methods of the paper you read?

Viable SARS-CoV-2 in the air of a hospital room with COVID-19 patients

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), genus Betacoronavirus, subgenus Sarbecovirus, family Coronaviridae, is a positive-polarity single-stranded RNA virus that probably originated in bats (Andersen et al., 2020; Lu et al., 2020; Gorbalenya et al., 2020) and is the...

www.ijidonline.com

Deaths that occur without a PCR test would be eyeball diagnosis. Since literally every one of the "Covid Symptoms" listed by the CDC overlaps with the cold and flu (and also many other conditions), deaths without any sort of test certainly don't prove the existence of a "Novel Corona Virus."

I doubt they eyeball diagnose if they PCR test people after they died in a motorcycle crash.

This doesn't make it any less fraudulent.

I tend to agree with this. I even saw a video of a nurse suggested that the Ethylene Oxide on the swabs could be driving the increase of loss of taste and smell that seems to be more popular nowadays. Certainly makes sense, since most adults weren't regularly sticking foreign objects up their nose with this regularity before 2019.

The RCTs didn't even test for reduction of severe cases or deaths, so there is zero evidence that the demonvax can reduce deaths or serious cases.

If there's no such data in the RCTs, then where are people getting this from? I've heard it from multiple different people. I assumed it came from massaged data, but the claim isn't even based on manipulated statistics?

 

[hei]

I never made the claim that "viruses don't affect healthy people," although I am aware of that hypothesis. My claim is that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't exist. I base that on the fact that no health agency in the world has a sample of this "Novel Corona Virus," the tests were also developed without a sample (admittedly), and are easily manipulated to boot.

How could they do this without a sample of the virus?

Human challenge: the people volunteering to be infected with Covid

Amid claims PM wanted to be infected with Covid on TV, volunteers tell of taking part in a human challenge trial

www.theguardian.com

Human challenge studies

A human challenge study is a carefully managed medical research study, during which volunteers are intentionally given an infection in a safe way with healthcare support.

www.imperial.ac.uk

 

[tankasnowgod]

Their employees were affected by the plandemic as well.

So what? They don't care about their employees.

Everyone already believes there's a virus. What would the financial motive be, especially if creating flunky data based on variants would be more profitable?

Okay...... Just because everyone "believes there's a virus" doesn't mean that SARS-Cov-2 exists. I didn't bring up the issue of profit, just that no one can actually prove it exists.

And clearly, it's not "everyone." Maybe a majority of the population, but not everyone.

Ultrasensitive blood test detects viral protein, confirms mRNA vaccine activates robust immune response

In series of samples collected from individuals vaccinated against COVID-19, an ultrasensitive test detected low concentrations of circulating antigen. Following robust production of antibodies, investigators found that the viral protein declined to undetectable levels.

www.sciencedaily.com

Air samples collected in the hospital room of two coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19) patients, one ready for discharge and the other newly admitted, were subjected to RT-qPCR and virus culture. The genomes of the SARS-CoV-2 collected from the air and isolated in cell culture were sequenced.

So, it proves that there are germs in the air.... but again, the entire idea rests on the assumption that the "genetic sequences" they have for SARS-Cov-2 are accurate.

Who knows, if they don't have a control sample of "The Virus?"

I'm aware of the miscellaneous substances in the vaxx, and my reasoning is that the substances vary in vaxxes made by different companies, yet the adverse effects and causes of death are usually similar (blood clotting, stroke, heart attack, myocarditis, and pericarditis) and related to the mechanism of action of the spike protein (binding to the ACE2 receptor).

Um, where did you read that the spike protein can cause myocarditis, pericarditis, heart attack, and stroke? I have never heard that before.

All of those things can be related to a host of other factors. Blood clots, for example, can be caused by serotonin.

Regardless, even if SARS-Cov-2 does exist, and can trigger those conditions, through whatever mechanism, it isn't alone in that. For example, Web MD lists the following-

What You Should Know: Myocarditis

Myocarditis: Known as the inflammation of the heart muscle or myocardium, this condition has no major symptoms. Learn more about causes, treatments, types, and complications.

www.webmd.com

Some things that can cause myocarditis include:

• Coxsackie B viruses
• Epstein-Barr virus (EBV)
• Cytomegalovirus (CMV)
• Hepatitis C
• Herpes
• HIV
• Parvovirus
• Chlamydia (a common sexually transmitted disease)
• Mycoplasma (bacteria that cause a lung infection)
• Streptococcal (strep) bacteria
• Staphylococcal (staph) bacteria
• Treponema (the cause of syphilis)
• Borrelia (the cause of Lyme disease)

Fungal and parasitic infections can also cause it.

So, even before December 2019, we have several viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites that can cause myocarditis. Many of which are thought to be widespread in the general population (like EBV, CMV, and Herpes). So maybe all that was needed was something that lowered the immune system enough for one of those already existing germs to take hold.

Viable SARS-CoV-2 in the air of a hospital room with COVID-19 patients

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), genus Betacoronavirus, subgenus Sarbecovirus, family Coronaviridae, is a positive-polarity single-stranded RNA virus that probably originated in bats (Andersen et al., 2020; Lu et al., 2020; Gorbalenya et al., 2020) and is the...

www.ijidonline.com

Ah. They determined the patient had Covid with, shocker of shocker, a PCR test! Which, again, was developed without a sample of the virus. And is a surrogate test, anyway.

I doubt they eyeball diagnose if they PCR test people after they died in a motorcycle crash.

Well, the CDC even put out guides to diagnosing people with COVID without any sort of test. You say "they" like there is only one entity doing things. There are all sorts of people doing things in all different ways. I would think most do have a positive PCR or other test (which are basically worthless), but there have been diagnosis without ANY test, or with a NEGATIVE test.

An Example from a forum member last year-

@boris
I am 100% sure I have Covid-19.
Even though my nose swab was negative, I was still diagnosed with Covid-19 based on symptoms. The Infectious disease specialist doctor who diagnosed me told me the nose swabs have a very high rate of false negatives.
I wish they would have put the swab in my eye. I have had conjuctivitis for over two months now. My nose seem fine. I have rinsed it with saline daily for two years now.

See? Tested negative on the swab test, but diagnosed on symptoms, which are all common cold and flu symptoms.

If there's no such data in the RCTs, then where are people getting this from? I've heard it from multiple different people. I assumed it came from massaged data, but the claim isn't even based on manipulated statistics?

I can't tell you their source. My guess is they heard it on the news, or from an agency like the CDC.

A thread was posted last year on this very thing-

COVID-19 Vaccine Trials Are Essentially Pointless

...because they won't tell us if the vaccines can prevent deaths or serious COVID-19 complications, or virus transmission between people. If you think I am trolling, check out the CNN and BMJ articles below - that is exactly what they are saying. If that is the case, then I do not see what is...

raypeatforum.com

 

[tankasnowgod]

How could they do this without a sample of the virus?

Human challenge: the people volunteering to be infected with Covid

Amid claims PM wanted to be infected with Covid on TV, volunteers tell of taking part in a human challenge trial

www.theguardian.com

Human challenge studies

A human challenge study is a carefully managed medical research study, during which volunteers are intentionally given an infection in a safe way with healthcare support.

www.imperial.ac.uk

From the Guardian Article-

The experience was in equal parts terrifying and amazing, he said. “Being in the room with a vast amount of extraordinarily pure [medical grade] virus … it just looked like water, but you don’t expect to see coronavirus like that.

From the Trial-

For the initial study, up to 90 volunteers will be given the virus by drops in the nose in a safe and controlled environment. Only volunteers at the lowest risk of becoming severely unwell (young adults between 18-30 years old with no underlying health conditions) can take part. The study is taking place in a controlled facility at the Royal Free Hospital in London, so the virus cannot be passed on to people outside the study. There are medical staff on hand all the time closely monitoring the volunteers.

So, you need a vial of liquid (saline or whatever), and you need people convinced it has a sample of SARS-Cov-2 in it. You don't actually need any virus or germ in the vial.

 

[Kayaker]

So what? They don't care about their employees.

Okay...... Just because everyone "believes there's a virus" doesn't mean that SARS-Cov-2 exists. I didn't bring up the issue of profit, just that no one can actually prove it exists.

It's a mild virus, which means it would be quickly fought off by the immune system and not reproduce to large quantities that would be easily discovered.

They'd have to examine the air from a person infested with it to the point of being at the verge of death. But those people are on ventilators, so that's impossible. Not to mention, the PCR tests are questionable and have a lot of false positives, so it's unknown if the person on the ventilator is actually dying from covid.

And clearly, it's not "everyone." Maybe a majority of the population, but not everyone.

So, it proves that there are germs in the air.... but again, the entire idea rests on the assumption that the "genetic sequences" they have for SARS-Cov-2 are accurate.

There are a higher number of variants in highly vaccinated countries than less vaccinated ones. Then what exactly are they discovering if not variants created by ADE?

Who knows, if they don't have a control sample of "The Virus?"

SARS-CoV-2 isn't unique. It's at least similar to other structures called coronaviruses, one of which caused similar disease in the past. It's reasonable to assume that sub-structures that were a part of the old SARS that are discovered in the airspace of people who have similar symptoms are part of a similar virus.

Um, where did you read that the spike protein can cause myocarditis, pericarditis, heart attack, and stroke? I have never heard that before.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902 Error - Cookies Turned Off

All of those things can be related to a host of other factors. Blood clots, for example, can be caused by serotonin.

Regardless, even if SARS-Cov-2 does exist, and can trigger those conditions, through whatever mechanism, it isn't alone in that. For example, Web MD lists the following-

What You Should Know: Myocarditis

Myocarditis: Known as the inflammation of the heart muscle or myocardium, this condition has no major symptoms. Learn more about causes, treatments, types, and complications.

www.webmd.com

So, even before December 2019, we have several viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites that can cause myocarditis. Many of which are thought to be widespread in the general population (like EBV, CMV, and Herpes). So maybe all that was needed was something that lowered the immune system enough for one of those already existing germs to take hold.

When activated, like due to an impaired immune system, herpes simplex *mainly* causes a skin/oral/gential membrane condition, hepatitis B, C, etc cause liver inflammation, and so forth. SARS causes vascular disease because of the spike protein.

Ah. They determined the patient had Covid with, shocker of shocker, a PCR test! Which, again, was developed without a sample of the virus. And is a surrogate test, anyway.

SARS-CoV2 is difficult to isolate because it's spread through the air, rather than through respiratory droplets. The study has some legitimacy. Random samples of the virus are better than nothing. It explains why masks don't prevent transmission.

Well, the CDC even put out guides to diagnosing people with COVID without any sort of test. You say "they" like there is only one entity doing things. There are all sorts of people doing things in all different ways. I would think most do have a positive PCR or other test (which are basically worthless), but there have been diagnosis without ANY test, or with a NEGATIVE test.

An Example from a forum member last year-

See? Tested negative on the swab test, but diagnosed on symptoms, which are all common cold and flu symptoms.

I can't tell you their source. My guess is they heard it on the news, or from an agency like the CDC.

A thread was posted last year on this very thing-

COVID-19 Vaccine Trials Are Essentially Pointless

...because they won't tell us if the vaccines can prevent deaths or serious COVID-19 complications, or virus transmission between people. If you think I am trolling, check out the CNN and BMJ articles below - that is exactly what they are saying. If that is the case, then I do not see what is...

raypeatforum.com

So the CDC is immune to being sued for unsubstantiated claims? The claimed I've heard personally were based on twisted or misleading data, or on "professional opinions".

 

[tankasnowgod]

It's a mild virus, which means it would be quickly fought off by the immune system and not reproduce to large quantities that would be easily discovered.

Fair point, and normally, I wouldn't think this would be a big deal. But, this "mild virus" has been used to shut down the world, basically, for the past two years. This isn't quibbling over funding a half million dollar study. This is more in the range of tens to hundreds of trillions of dollars. As such, the burden of proof should be exponentially higher.

They'd have to examine the air from a person infested with it to the point of being at the verge of death. But those people are on ventilators, so that's impossible. Not to mention, the PCR tests are questionable and have a lot of false positives, so it's unknown if the person on the ventilator is actually dying from covid.

Why would that be impossible? It should be easier to take an air sample when someone is hooked up to a machine.

Also, they should rule out other causes of death. 95% of Covid deaths in the US have an average of 4 comorbidities. And people on ventilators are likely being killed by the ventilator protocol. It be more accurate to say we don't even know if all the people in the death toll even had SARS-Cov-2, let alone died from it.

There are a higher number of variants in highly vaccinated countries than less vaccinated ones. Then what exactly are they discovering if not variants created by ADE?

They might just be making mistakes. I have no idea what they are looking at, or not. Again, since the labs can verify their own work, no one outside the labs knows, either. Obviously, this is a huge problem, but it's just another huge problem being ignored or allowed to fester with all the other huge problems that have been created since March 2020.

SARS-CoV-2 isn't unique. It's at least similar to other structures called coronaviruses, one of which caused similar disease in the past. It's reasonable to assume that sub-structures that were a part of the old SARS that are discovered in the airspace of people who have similar symptoms are part of a similar virus.

Fair point, in normal times. But again, it's been used to justify all sorts of insane actions. The burden of proof should be several thousand times higher, in this case.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902 Error - Cookies Turned Off

When activated, like due to an impaired immune system, herpes simplex *mainly* causes a skin/oral/gential membrane condition, hepatitis B, C, etc cause liver inflammation, and so forth. SARS causes vascular disease because of the spike protein.

SARS-CoV2 is difficult to isolate because it's spread through the air, rather than through respiratory droplets. The study has some legitimacy. Random samples of the virus are better than nothing. It explains why masks don't prevent transmission.

If there even is transmission. Or, if it even exists.

Also, masks haven't ever been shown to reduce any sort of respiratory disease that is thought to be transmitted by aerosols. And as far as a virus, the vast majority of masks used wouldn't do anything anyway, and you don't need to look any further than the manufacturer's disclaimer on the box. They are too pourous, like trying to hold water with a sieve. Only an N95 could possibly work, and that would still have to be form fitted and worn properly.

So the CDC is immune to being sued for unsubstantiated claims? The claimed I've heard personally were based on twisted or misleading data, or on "professional opinions".

I don't know if they are immune, but they probably don't think it's a big threat. It would depend on how they make their claims, if they are official or not, and how specific it is. If they say something like "The Covid Vaccines are generally safe," they can't really get sued over that. I don't know what they are basing their claims on, but I know they aren't based on anything solid.

 

[Peatness]

 

[Vileplume]

Missing out on life's important moments with friends

I'm in my late twenties, and three of my friends are getting married in the next few months, with one friend even asking me to be his groomsman. I haven't yet mentioned to the groomsman-friend that I'm unvaccinated, but I just received a mass email today from one friend:

"All of our wedding guests must be vaccinated, so if you're unvaccinated, please let us know that you cannot attend."

So, I have to miss this important event with an old friend because I don't want the vaccine. Even further, I have to tell large groups of old friends that I'm unvaccinated, an announcement that will surely arouse a lot of judgment, people thinking I'm a conspiracy theorist, and potentially further ostracization down the line from these old friend groups. This is one example that shows what the unvaccinated are forced to sacrifice:

1. We sacrifice the opinions of our friends and family. Many of my friends and family members have strong pro-vaxx opinions, and they strengthen these opinions amidst the echoes of all the other pro-vaxx friends and family they have. 99% of the people I'm close with are pro-vaxx, so by refusing to take this vaccine, I draw a line between me and them. That's decades of time spent creating a connection, that now becomes diminished. I don't harbor any ill will toward them, but they sure do toward me.

2. We sacrifice meaningful memories with our community. Friends, family, or coworkers--holidays, dates, weddings, parties, funerals, dinners--the number of missed events is piling up and will continue to do so. By physically missing these events, we lose out on some memories that make life special. Plus, combined with the social ostracization mentioned above, we just further separate ourselves from some of our old friend groups. And once this line is drawn, and events are missed, it becomes difficult to ever get it back.

I know you all have experienced this too, so I just wanted to empathize with you all. It's really difficult to stand up for what you believe when it's socially unpopular, and the stakes are only increasing. I think back to how people throughout history must have felt, when they stood on their own against masses who outcasted them.

 

[Nighteyes]

Missing out on life's important moments with friends

I'm in my late twenties, and three of my friends are getting married in the next few months, with one friend even asking me to be his groomsman. I haven't yet mentioned to the groomsman-friend that I'm unvaccinated, but I just received a mass email today from one friend:

"All of our wedding guests must be vaccinated, so if you're unvaccinated, please let us know that you cannot attend."

So, I have to miss this important event with an old friend because I don't want the vaccine. Even further, I have to tell large groups of old friends that I'm unvaccinated, an announcement that will surely arouse a lot of judgment, people thinking I'm a conspiracy theorist, and potentially further ostracization down the line from these old friend groups. This is one example that shows what the unvaccinated are forced to sacrifice:

1. We sacrifice the opinions of our friends and family. Many of my friends and family members have strong pro-vaxx opinions, and they strengthen these opinions amidst the echoes of all the other pro-vaxx friends and family they have. 99% of the people I'm close with are pro-vaxx, so by refusing to take this vaccine, I draw a line between me and them. That's decades of time spent creating a connection, that now becomes diminished. I don't harbor any ill will toward them, but they sure do toward me.

2. We sacrifice meaningful memories with our community. Friends, family, or coworkers--holidays, dates, weddings, parties, funerals, dinners--the number of missed events is piling up and will continue to do so. By physically missing these events, we lose out on some memories that make life special. Plus, combined with the social ostracization mentioned above, we just further separate ourselves from some of our old friend groups. And once this line is drawn, and events are missed, it becomes difficult to ever get it back.

I know you all have experienced this too, so I just wanted to empathize with you all. It's really difficult to stand up for what you believe when it's socially unpopular, and the stakes are only increasing. I think back to how people throughout history must have felt, when they stood on their own against masses who outcasted them.

Thanks for writing this. Just wanted to say that I feel with you. Such a tragedy the division that is happening. I hope for a better 2022

 

[baudoman]

@Vileplume, I empathize with you and all of us in the same boat as well.

Keep thinking to myself - what's it gonna take? What it's gonna take for people to stop buying into the lies and fear?

In my experience as well, those who think they are "pro-vaxx" do not even want to listen or hear anything contrary to what they seem to believe is the truth.

But your last paragraph resonates with me - about how those throughout history (and even those peoples who were oppressed pre-COVID and continue to be, even more so than we can even imagine!) must have felt.

It seems that the truth is only acknowledged (and the mistakes made) after those spreading it have passed away (I think this was a quote from someone famous as well). But I definitely hope we don't have to wait that long for this mess to be cleared up and finally acknowledged!

 

[Lord Cola]

Dating is no longer meaningful. Even if the injections had no long-term side effects, would you be happy about spending romantic/whatever time with idiots who subjected themselves to experimental injections in the context of 2019 onward? Even if you did find a person who persisted through all this, how will you start a healthy family and keep them protected from the increasingly harmful effects of society? They will not let you become an example of a successful outsider. There is no potentially stable solution. Unless you are already well off, and/or have the capacity to wield significant power, you are well on your way to become completely screwed, or are completely screwed.

 

[Ben.]

Missing out on life's important moments with friends

I'm in my late twenties, and three of my friends are getting married in the next few months, with one friend even asking me to be his groomsman. I haven't yet mentioned to the groomsman-friend that I'm unvaccinated, but I just received a mass email today from one friend:

"All of our wedding guests must be vaccinated, so if you're unvaccinated, please let us know that you cannot attend."

So, I have to miss this important event with an old friend because I don't want the vaccine. Even further, I have to tell large groups of old friends that I'm unvaccinated, an announcement that will surely arouse a lot of judgment, people thinking I'm a conspiracy theorist, and potentially further ostracization down the line from these old friend groups. This is one example that shows what the unvaccinated are forced to sacrifice:

1. We sacrifice the opinions of our friends and family. Many of my friends and family members have strong pro-vaxx opinions, and they strengthen these opinions amidst the echoes of all the other pro-vaxx friends and family they have. 99% of the people I'm close with are pro-vaxx, so by refusing to take this vaccine, I draw a line between me and them. That's decades of time spent creating a connection, that now becomes diminished. I don't harbor any ill will toward them, but they sure do toward me.

2. We sacrifice meaningful memories with our community. Friends, family, or coworkers--holidays, dates, weddings, parties, funerals, dinners--the number of missed events is piling up and will continue to do so. By physically missing these events, we lose out on some memories that make life special. Plus, combined with the social ostracization mentioned above, we just further separate ourselves from some of our old friend groups. And once this line is drawn, and events are missed, it becomes difficult to ever get it back.

I know you all have experienced this too, so I just wanted to empathize with you all. It's really difficult to stand up for what you believe when it's socially unpopular, and the stakes are only increasing. I think back to how people throughout history must have felt, when they stood on their own against masses who outcasted them.

Well said vileplume. Im in a similar position. I guess it is ok to have these sacrifices since we are doing them because we feel or "know" it to be the right thing to do, no matter how bad of a circumstance it creates. I do not intent to remove all contacts or cast thoose people out as i still love many of them, but instead my goal/plan is on trying to fill the social need we are denied right now with people who think and act similar to us.

I feel the last paragraph. I could never relate much from a emotional or personal perspective, but now i can do so alot better.

 

[Peatness]

@Vileplume
I feel really sad to read your post and wish there was something I could do to help. I was speaking to a friend (the only one left who is not injected); we’ve been friends since we were in our 20’s. We were reminiscing about the past. We both expressed a lot of regret about things we didn’t understand back then and felt that we did not have the full picture or the context to a lot of things we experienced. We also felt that when a lot of friendships moved online, face book etc a certain level of intimacy and honesty got lost. I was never on social media and drifted apart from some friends. My friend was for a while but as time has gone she had drifted away from it too. We both desire the time when there was a sense of community and belonging in real time rather than a virtual one. We both talked about honesty and being ‘real’ whatever that means.

Friends who care about each other listen to each other. Perhaps talk to your friend and find out the reason behind their mandating an experimental injection as a prerequisite for attending their wedding. Perhaps write/speak to your friend and explain your reasons for making the choice not to be injected with experimental drugs? Have ready research papers that demonstrate that the injections do not prevent transmission and or infections. A playlist much like the ones some members put together for relatives and friends who wanted to get injected.

 

[Kayaker]

Dating is no longer meaningful. Even if the injections had no long-term side effects, would you be happy about spending romantic/whatever time with idiots who subjected themselves to experimental injections in the context of 2019 onward? Even if you did find a person who persisted through all this, how will you start a healthy family and keep them protected from the increasingly harmful effects of society? They will not let you become an example of a successful outsider. There is no potentially stable solution. Unless you are already well off, and/or have the capacity to wield significant power, you are well on your way to become completely screwed, or are completely screwed.

You can provide off the fat of the land. You don't need Big Brother.

 

[Lollipop2]

Missing out on life's important moments with friends

I'm in my late twenties, and three of my friends are getting married in the next few months, with one friend even asking me to be his groomsman. I haven't yet mentioned to the groomsman-friend that I'm unvaccinated, but I just received a mass email today from one friend:

"All of our wedding guests must be vaccinated, so if you're unvaccinated, please let us know that you cannot attend."

So, I have to miss this important event with an old friend because I don't want the vaccine. Even further, I have to tell large groups of old friends that I'm unvaccinated, an announcement that will surely arouse a lot of judgment, people thinking I'm a conspiracy theorist, and potentially further ostracization down the line from these old friend groups. This is one example that shows what the unvaccinated are forced to sacrifice:

1. We sacrifice the opinions of our friends and family. Many of my friends and family members have strong pro-vaxx opinions, and they strengthen these opinions amidst the echoes of all the other pro-vaxx friends and family they have. 99% of the people I'm close with are pro-vaxx, so by refusing to take this vaccine, I draw a line between me and them. That's decades of time spent creating a connection, that now becomes diminished. I don't harbor any ill will toward them, but they sure do toward me.

2. We sacrifice meaningful memories with our community. Friends, family, or coworkers--holidays, dates, weddings, parties, funerals, dinners--the number of missed events is piling up and will continue to do so. By physically missing these events, we lose out on some memories that make life special. Plus, combined with the social ostracization mentioned above, we just further separate ourselves from some of our old friend groups. And once this line is drawn, and events are missed, it becomes difficult to ever get it back.

I know you all have experienced this too, so I just wanted to empathize with you all. It's really difficult to stand up for what you believe when it's socially unpopular, and the stakes are only increasing. I think back to how people throughout history must have felt, when they stood on their own against masses who outcasted them.

A very similar situation happened to me and my husband. My old old friends were having a dance performance of their daughter and a party afterwards. I met her when she was like 5 years old. They invited us through evite and then in an email expressed that they hoped we were vaccinated because all of the guests would be. I replied we chose to remain unvaccinated. He never responded back, never heard from them again and we were disinvited. It was a sad sad day for me. Also, I will never see my Father again. He refuses to see us because we are not vaxxed. My sister and her family and children would not spend Christmas with us because we were not vaxxed...

In the end, I felt lucky to have my sweet husband who is on the same page as me, but it has dramatically affected my “friends and family circle”.

 

[TheCalciumCad]

1. We sacrifice the opinions of our friends and family. Many of my friends and family members have strong pro-vaxx opinions, and they strengthen these opinions amidst the echoes of all the other pro-vaxx friends and family they have. 99% of the people I'm close with are pro-vaxx, so by refusing to take this vaccine, I draw a line between me and them. That's decades of time spent creating a connection, that now becomes diminished. I don't harbor any ill will toward them, but they sure do toward me.

2. We sacrifice meaningful memories with our community. Friends, family, or coworkers--holidays, dates, weddings, parties, funerals, dinners--the number of missed events is piling up and will continue to do so. By physically missing these events, we lose out on some memories that make life special. Plus, combined with the social ostracization mentioned above, we just further separate ourselves from some of our old friend groups. And once this line is drawn, and events are missed, it becomes difficult to ever get it back.

I know you all have experienced this too, so I just wanted to empathize with you all. It's really difficult to stand up for what you believe when it's socially unpopular, and the stakes are only increasing. I think back to how people throughout history must have felt, when they stood on their own against masses who outcasted them.

Are you not active on twitter / insta? A friend of mine whos a dating coach in the US recommends people in this situation to build social media platforms to find new tribes to engage with and build relationships... then for dating slide into some DMs...


View: https://twitter.com/Pat_Stedman/status/1388289686926397441



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsCTqOnqYiY&t=2482s

 

[-Luke-]

In some way I'm glad about what happened and still happens. When the snow melts, the sh*t surfaces. What is coming to light now was there before, we just didn't see it. People have not turned into denunciators and totalitarians overnight in the last 24 months. It was there before.

For most of my life I went through life worrying about what other people might think about me. That's no longer the case, at least not often. I may have lost most or all of my friends and the relationship with the rest of my family may be strained. But I have also gained something that no one can take away from me: self-respect.