Being transwoman doesn't equal being female

[Drareg]

This thread will attract the wokists and cancellation is incoming, what happens with wokists is when they realize they will loose the debate via analogy and logic they start to rage and start throwing flaming strawmans everywhere screaming cancel!

What we need to do as a society is arrest the ruling class and give them "magic sex changing hormones" and leave them in a room with wokist meltdown videos on a loop for weeks, everyday they will attend a woke church where a woke priest will deliver a 4 hour speech on intersectionality in an angry tone, we will put a live video feed in said rooms so the masses can be entertained, we will add shill celebrities to the ruling class bag so the peasants will recognize some faces.

 

[Morgan]

This documentary is the story of three men who as young adults had their gender changed (hormones and surgery), believing it would solve their problems. It didn't. All three of them had suffered trauma and/or abuse in childhood.

We can use an endless amount of examples of how abuse can change or define a person... It is not an accurate assessment of a more complicated and nuanced issue that in the end is rather personal.


I suppose if only they were abused like this instead we would get a more favorable outcome I suppose?

Some Abrahamic religions? some rabbis believe Adam was a hermaphrodite, it’s no surprise why "conspiracy theories" arise about this belief system.

Man and woman are words to denote forms within reality, a creative process that maintains the general said form throughout life, a penis is structure that maintains a general form throughout life, even a man with a decapitated penis still has a multitude of structures that imply masculinity, the brain structures have differences as another example, these structures as forms are maintained in a general sense throughout life until we die.
Said structures and tissues will differ in their metabolic rate and epigenetic residue denoting forms that imply male or female.

For forms that have differences to man and woman like ambiguous genitalia we apply different words/descriptions to said forms like hermaphrodite.
Changing words does not change forms, this is the rigidity of verbosity, verbosity is one of the first signs of psychopathology, wokism is verbose, wokism is a religion, a dogma, wokism teaches fear, hate, misery, aggression, JK Rowling is an example, an incredible woman, genuinely intelligent, brought joy into millions of children’s lives, stimulating their imagination, her backstory to how she got there is even more impressive.
Cancel culture is another example of wokist fear, hate and aggression.

Its not that people hate transgender people, we don’t want authoritarian wokism with selective inclusiveness, selective empathy, we don’t want children harmed, this is empathy and intelligent coherent behavior, many transgender have autism, autism is a high serotonin state, this is empirically based, wokism denies empiricism and logic, wokism is the opinion and delusions of high serotonin individuals, many are heavily medicated on SSRI’s, wokism is cult.
Wokism is canceling personal freedom everywhere.

Masculine women in general do not have the aggression to take on a man a foot smaller than them, even a woman with a heavier weight can’t manage this, female structures and epigenetic residue do not allow for the capacitance/energetic storage to apply said aggression, even a male with dwarfism could beat most women in situations that require aggression.
5 lionesses can’t handle the aggression of one male lion in some cases, this is also why you won’t see female to male transgender in MMA, they won’t win, we do see however see male to female transgender in MMA and real women are having their skulls fractured because of this, 3 real women so far, what I mean by real women is those that maintain the form of vagina and other structures denoted as feminine as mentioned previously throughout life.

A foteus goes through process, the initial seed starts the outward crystallization, its influenced by the womb environment but the initial seeds momentum effect is too strong once out of the womb to change drastically,

We currently do not have the scientific understanding ability to change somebodies sexual structure/form without causing harm, it’s therefore reckless and crude experimentation, to behave this way with children is psychopathological.
The bottom line is we currently can’t turn into a woman if currently male, you can use words as you wish but like I said words won’t change forms and patterns that maintain a general stability over time, to clarify a little more, you can’t currently change your functioning penis into a functioning vagina with a womb etc
If you want to act like a woman whatever you believe that to be while still having masculine forms and structures by all means go for it, the reality is you will acting like your definition of woman, wordplay essentially, this is the psychosis of wokism and low intelligence, infantilism.

All this low intelligent verbosity is a great way for the ruling class to get away with bank and big business bailouts and usher in neofeudalism, the peasants are busy arguing with autistic types stuck in verbosity about dicks and vaginas, the academics and big pharma and other woke professional activists make a fortune offering opinions and nazi like experimental treatments on said topics.

Right, division is always a tool to redirect people away from more significant or more core issues.. and yet this thread is an example of that very division at work. We are not asking ourselves the more difficult questions of how and why things come to be, and why it may be important to even question the notion of "tradition" as well.. With all that said people do genuinely hate others they do not understand, they have been conditioned to do just that.

 

[Drareg]

We can use an endless amount of examples of how abuse can change or define a person... It is not an accurate assessment of a more complicated and nuanced issue that in the end is rather personal.


I suppose if only they were abused like this instead we would get a more favorable outcome I suppose?


Right, division is always a tool to redirect people away from more significant or more core issues.. and yet this thread is an example of that very division at work. We are not asking ourselves the more difficult questions of how and why things come to be, and why it may be important to even question the notion of "tradition" as well.. With all that said people do genuinely hate others they do not understand, they have been conditioned to do just that.

Tradition is based on familiar patterns/behaviors that ensure bioenergetic resources, they change as more coherent resources are discovered.
People hate when others are looking to acquire their bioenergetic resources or effect said resources, like forcing vaccines on folks or puberty blockers on kids, this lowers the energetic capacity of the overall society, what’s labeled hate by wokists can redefined as altruism, when folks don’t accept the altruistic desires of an aspect of society then self defense arises which via propaganda in media can denoted as "hate".

Humans want to evolve and improve, to this we must increase our use of coherent bioenergetic resources which increases coherent behavior, society senses this and attempts to correct itself.
The principle of least action in physics that applies to all organisms and matter tells us it’s currently more coherent and less energetically wasteful for a male to remain a male because he doesn’t currently change into a woman coherently, if a society has folks that are more coherent and keep taking in less coherent individuals it will become energy taxing, a burden causing stratification/separatism, the thing is the less coherent attach themselves to the more coherent to try access bioenergetic resources, low skilled migrants are another example, more coherent individuals will only give a certain amount of bioenergetic resources away before realizing this is incoherent behavior.

 

[Morgan]

Tradition is based on familiar patterns/behaviors that ensure bioenergetic resources, they change as more coherent resources are discovered.
People hate when others are looking to acquire their bioenergetic resources or effect said resources, like forcing vaccines on folks or puberty blockers on kids, this lowers the energetic capacity of the overall society, what’s labeled hate by wokists can redefined as altruism, when folks don’t accept the altruistic desires of an aspect of society then self defense arises which via propaganda in media can denoted as "hate".

Humans want to evolve and improve, to this we must increase our use of coherent bioenergetic resources which increases coherent behavior, society senses this and attempts to correct itself.
The principle of least action in physics that applies to all organisms and matter tells us it’s currently more coherent and less energetically wasteful for a male to remain a male because he doesn’t currently change into a woman coherently, if a society has folks that are more coherent and keep taking in less coherent individuals it will become energy taxing, a burden causing stratification/separatism, the thing is the less coherent attach themselves to the more coherent to try access bioenergetic resources, low skilled migrants are another example, more coherent individuals will only give a certain amount of bioenergetic resources away before realizing this is incoherent behavior.

I understand, but at what cost to the individual? What if society is critically wrong, even critically wrong on an intuitive level; an example would be how it's likely that we don't have the properly evolved intuition to deal with the complexity of our current civilization. Group altruism can be vastly different to just pure altruism, and with that we could be subjecting those who are male to a set of conditioning that is.. in my eyes, abhorrent at times. Could it not be a process of evolution to question tradition? What I'm suggesting is that the issue of "transgender" is more complicated than those who attempt to transition via a chemical process, it can also be a challenge to a set of cultural values that may have had a negative effect historically.

 

[Sweet Meat]

I understand, but at what cost to the individual? What if society is critically wrong, even critically wrong on an intuitive level; an example would be how it's likely that we don't have the properly evolved intuition to deal with the complexity of our current civilization. Group altruism can be vastly different to just pure altruism, and with that we could be subjecting those who are male to a set of conditioning that is.. in my eyes, abhorrent at times. Could it not be a process of evolution to question tradition? What I'm suggesting is that the issue of "transgender" is more complicated than those who attempt to transition via a chemical process, it can also be a challenge to a set of cultural values that may have had a negative effect historically.

fun factoid - the mark of the beast from revelation is a coded greek translation; greek letters have numeric values and the beast, once calculated, is 666

the only word in the entire new testament that has a numeric value of 666 is the word παράδοση or "paradosis", which literally means "tradition"

tldr - the concept of the anti christ is literally based on tradition, or dogmatic thinking. questioning tradition, challenging authority and standing up to anyone that blindly follows the rules handed down by others is the only way to avoid hell on earth

at least according to the bible :P

correction * παραδόσεις - traditions, plural = 666

 

[PxD]

IT'S MA'AM!!!!1

(I'll kick your f**king ****!)

 

[Drareg]

I understand, but at what cost to the individual? What if society is critically wrong, even critically wrong on an intuitive level; an example would be how it's likely that we don't have the properly evolved intuition to deal with the complexity of our current civilization. Group altruism can be vastly different to just pure altruism, and with that we could be subjecting those who are male to a set of conditioning that is.. in my eyes, abhorrent at times. Could it not be a process of evolution to question tradition? What I'm suggesting is that the issue of "transgender" is more complicated than those who attempt to transition via a chemical process, it can also be a challenge to a set of cultural values that may have had a negative effect historically.

Individual originally meant undivided in it’s original sense, it’s evolving as a whole toward more complexity and coherency, this isn’t just empirically evident it’s philosophically evident.

Society is critically wrong in relation to its use of words to describe processes and forms within reality, the forms are what they are, you perceive them via your senses, we extend using technology our sensory capacity, they are temporal but the initial seed creates a crystallization that maintains a general form over time until death,we do not have the ability currently to change these forms drastically, it’s delusional to believe we can and have by claiming words make it so.

Our intuition evolved within a context, the current context being our current civilization is here because of feedback with environment via our intuition, it wouldn’t be what it is without intuition, like anything in relation to the laws thermodynamics we loose coherency as a byproduct of the process, juts like a metabolic rate and flow can have loose coherency from time to time, transgender forms within reality are part of this incoherency and this can proved, this doesn't justify aggression against transgender folks but is does justify separatism and more coherent individuals have a right to do this, in reality and evolutionary terms separatism is inevitable, if people try to stop this then violence ensues.

Coherent group altruism should be similar to individual group altruism for the most part, any society using altruism is again using a behavior that increases bionenergetic resources until it becomes pathological altruism which is also an issue, it’s the use of the word ascribe charitable notions to an act, when we view the act in action without words we see it’s selfishness and greed, psychopathological.
Males don’t generally don’t behave abhorrently when bioenergetic resources are in abundance unless inherited processes are limiting their capacity to adapt via limiting structure, males however do hunt and kill for food and this is coherent behavior, even if we evolve to an ideal diet that doesn’t require animals anymore we will still likely have to cull, you would really have to define what you see as abhorrent in male behavior.

Evolution wants to evolve, become more complex, we as humans are looking for coherent bioenergetic resources to increase our capacitance, our capacitance is what allows use to sense deeper and understand more of the universe and it’s creative process, it will allow us to create more complex structures/forms accordingly, tradition changes when a more Coherent bioenergetic resources becomes possible, anything that goes the opposite way of this will fail.

Cultural values are assigned as a means to maintain coherent bioenergetic resources, those values evolve when a more coherent bioenergetic resources is found, anything that takes away from this coherency is sensed as a negative/bad, transgender is not adding to coherent bioenergetic resources, it’s taking away, as an example a male to female transgender individual cannot have children, children initially deplete coherent bioenergetic resources from the parents but with time they give back in abundance. If the majority of humans decide to become trans we will cease to exist as it currently stands, the capacity for test tube humans as it currently stands is limited, it’s overstated how advanced it is.

 

[Regina]

This thread will attract the wokists and cancellation is incoming, what happens with wokists is when they realize they will loose the debate via analogy and logic they start to rage and start throwing flaming strawmans everywhere screaming cancel!

What we need to do as a society is arrest the ruling class and give them "magic sex changing hormones" and leave them in a room with wokist meltdown videos on a loop for weeks, everyday they will attend a woke church where a woke priest will deliver a 4 hour speech on intersectionality in an angry tone, we will put a live video feed in said rooms so the masses can be entertained, we will add shill celebrities to the ruling class bag so the peasants will recognize some faces.

Yes. And they should be vaccinated daily too.

 

[Drareg]

Gender critical theory and all woke "critical theories" are interesting to think about in relation to their use of the word "critical".
Is it irony or intention that the origins of the word "critical" is censorious?
Wokism is a censoring cult while calling for inclusivity of other views and beliefs, wokism is an intentional paradoxical cult designed to bamboozle with oxymoronic statements while the ruling class raid tax payers coffers and enslave us in their new panopticon.

1580s, "censorious, inclined to find fault," . Sense of "important or essential for determining" is from c. 1600, originally in medicine. Meaning "of the nature of a crisis, in a condition of extreme doubt or danger"

 

[Drareg]

Yes. And they should be vaccinated daily too.

How could I forget the vaccines!
Everyday before the vaccine arrives we will loop the sound of Bill Gates saying the word vaccines, kind of like a Pavlovian dog like effect.

 

[Regina]

Gender critical theory and all woke "critical theories" are interesting to think about in relation to their use of the word "critical".
Is it irony or intention that the origins of the word "critical" is censorious?
Wokism is a censoring cult while calling for inclusivity of other views and beliefs, wokism is an intentional paradoxical cult designed to bamboozle with oxymoronic statements while the ruling class raid tax payers coffers and enslave us in their new panopticon.

1580s, "censorious, inclined to find fault," . Sense of "important or essential for determining" is from c. 1600, originally in medicine. Meaning "of the nature of a crisis, in a condition of extreme doubt or danger"

I'd like to dismiss the transgender movement as a distraction to keep us from focusing on the great heist. It is that but it also seems like a softening us up for some full on cyborg experiments.
You'll have to try to keep up with the robots if you want out of your UBI kibble feeder box.

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If you look at her familly's business, you can see how it stands to gain at every point in the plan.

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[PurpleHeart]

LSD causes heart fibrosis that will decrease metabolism over time, empirical non woke science says so, I guess you can ignore it because science and empiricism is a "social construct", heart fibrosis however is not a social construct, it’s a process and form observable within the human body, the word "fibrosis" is a social construct, we could replace the word with "****" and call it "**** heart" but the observable form is still the same.

You keep saying that, what you probably mean is that stimulation of a subtype of a serotonin receptor that LSD Psilocybin Mescaline etc. bind to has been shown in some cases to causes heart fibrosis.
Do you have any actual studies where someone managed to actually cause heart fibrosis to humans with reasonable amounts of psychedelics, because before starting microdosing i did search and I couldn't find any study proving this, microdosing uses miniscule amounts of the substance and you usually don't microdose more than a month straight without a break.
So i don't think heart fibrosis is an actual real threat, alexander shulgin was basically taking serotoninergic psychedelics for all his life non stop and died well into old age. Doctor Hofmann also experimented with LSD all his life and died at the age of 102 years old. so I think its safe to say heart fibrosis is not a real threat.

If you have any actual studies showing heart fibrosis feel welcome to post them, I would actually be very interested in reading them.

About the transgender debate, you seem to make a good case I like that, you mentioned the brain and this is exactly my point, there is a study(can't find it right now) that shows that male fetuses can be born with female brains, ironically it was aromatase deficiency in the brain that caused that if I recall correctly, yep the study found that not only estrogen can cause masculinization but that estrogen is actually needed for the male brain to be created, Ray peat right again about estrogen causing male characteristics under certain circumstances.

So if a male can be born with a female brain, shouldn't we be able to give the patient a female body? I agree with you about the science not being advanced enough to do that at the moment, but I think that a male body with a female brain is a possible problem that we should be able to tackle in the future.

I didn't even know what wokism was I had to look it up on google, well like I said this SJW people are lunatics that act with their gut feeling, but so are all zealots and fanatics no matter their background and beliefs.
This people are actually the polar opposite of extreme conservatism and share the same serotonin driven mindless hatred,

When I am talking about trans people I am not talking about SJW lunatics, I personally know a few people that where unhappy being male, had a sex change surgery and lived happily ever after, so I don't see why you should judge all transgender people based on some raging lunatics or some random trans rapist or something like that.

I still stand with my opinion on male and female being a construct, I never said that men and women are the same, neither I refused to acknowledge hormones and chromosomes and other physical differences, what I am saying is that even thou men and women are not the same ,no two humans are the same, most things that we consider manly of feminine are part of the linguistically generated illusion that culture and society that we happen to be born in enforces on us, for example if you see what clothing was considered masculine in 1750 you will see that its nothing like what is considered masculine today, quite the opposite actually.

Gender is what I am calling a construct, and it is, many tribal civilizations had a different way of perceive gender, some had more than two.

Also making claims like any male dwarf being able to beat any woman in a fight is an extreme overgeneralization that's absolutely wrong, while men are obviously significantly stronger than women, part of why women are so weak in the developed world is that they are raised to be weak and passive, just how most men are raised to be strong and assertive.

If you wanna pull it to the extremes, any feral female raised like amazons were raised in Ancient Greece can easily overpower a nerd playing computer games 16 hours a day, so don't try to imply that chromosomes or hormones alone make you an efficient and strong predator.

 

[Homo Consumericus]

About the transgender debate, you seem to make a good case I like that, you mentioned the brain and this is exactly my point, there is a study(can't find it right now) that shows that male fetuses can be born with female brains, ironically it was aromatase deficiency in the brain that caused that if I recall correctly, yep the study found that not only estrogen can cause masculinization but that estrogen is actually needed for the male brain to be created, Ray peat right again about estrogen causing male characteristics under certain circumstances.

So if a male can be born with a female brain, shouldn't we be able to give the patient a female body? I agree with you about the science not being advanced enough to do that at the moment, but I think that a male body with a female brain is a possible problem that we should be able to tackle in the future.

If a man is born with a hormone imbalance, the solution is to treat that patient with the missing hormones. The solution to a hormone deficiency is certainly not to mutilate the child or adult patient.

The most important study to date which tipped the scales in favour of "gender-affirming surgeries" was this one: Psychiatry Online. But the conclusion was retracted once the dishonest manipulation of the data came to light. After re-analysis, the new conclusion was that neither "gender-affirming hormone treatment" nor "gender-affirming surgeries" reduced the need for mental health services, the opposite of what the study originally claimed: Correction: Transgender Surgery Provides No Mental Health Benefit.

Post-"treatment", the mentally ill victims still had 3 times the rate of inpatient psychiatric care and 19 times the rate of completed suicides.

 

[Morgan]

Individual originally meant undivided in it’s original sense, it’s evolving as a whole toward more complexity and coherency, this isn’t just empirically evident it’s philosophically evident.

Society is critically wrong in relation to its use of words to describe processes and forms within reality, the forms are what they are, you perceive them via your senses, we extend using technology our sensory capacity, they are temporal but the initial seed creates a crystallization that maintains a general form over time until death,we do not have the ability currently to change these forms drastically, it’s delusional to believe we can and have by claiming words make it so.

Our intuition evolved within a context, the current context being our current civilization is here because of feedback with environment via our intuition, it wouldn’t be what it is without intuition, like anything in relation to the laws thermodynamics we loose coherency as a byproduct of the process, juts like a metabolic rate and flow can have loose coherency from time to time, transgender forms within reality are part of this incoherency and this can proved, this doesn't justify aggression against transgender folks but is does justify separatism and more coherent individuals have a right to do this, in reality and evolutionary terms separatism is inevitable, if people try to stop this then violence ensues.

Coherent group altruism should be similar to individual group altruism for the most part, any society using altruism is again using a behavior that increases bionenergetic resources until it becomes pathological altruism which is also an issue, it’s the use of the word ascribe charitable notions to an act, when we view the act in action without words we see it’s selfishness and greed, psychopathological.
Males don’t generally don’t behave abhorrently when bioenergetic resources are in abundance unless inherited processes are limiting their capacity to adapt via limiting structure, males however do hunt and kill for food and this is coherent behavior, even if we evolve to an ideal diet that doesn’t require animals anymore we will still likely have to cull, you would really have to define what you see as abhorrent in male behavior.

Evolution wants to evolve, become more complex, we as humans are looking for coherent bioenergetic resources to increase our capacitance, our capacitance is what allows use to sense deeper and understand more of the universe and it’s creative process, it will allow us to create more complex structures/forms accordingly, tradition changes when a more Coherent bioenergetic resources becomes possible, anything that goes the opposite way of this will fail.

Cultural values are assigned as a means to maintain coherent bioenergetic resources, those values evolve when a more coherent bioenergetic resources is found, anything that takes away from this coherency is sensed as a negative/bad, transgender is not adding to coherent bioenergetic resources, it’s taking away, as an example a male to female transgender individual cannot have children, children initially deplete coherent bioenergetic resources from the parents but with time they give back in abundance. If the majority of humans decide to become trans we will cease to exist as it currently stands, the capacity for test tube humans as it currently stands is limited, it’s overstated how advanced it is.

It is not the behavior the occurs during stressed situations that I find abhorrent, it is specifically the cultural conditioning that is placed upon those that are born male that I believe needs to be questioned. Actually I believe much of how we treat "gender" needs to be questioned, but there is certainly more "force" applied to young boys on how they should or shouldn't be in order to maintain a metabolically sick system.

"Culture, it seems, starts to make us stupid long before the metabolic problems appear."
"Our brain grows into our culture, and the culture lives in our nervous system."

If a man is born with a hormone imbalance, the solution is to treat that patient with the missing hormones. The solution to a hormone deficiency is certainly not to mutilate the child or adult patient.

The most important study to date which tipped the scales in favour of "gender-affirming surgeries" was this one: Psychiatry Online. But the conclusion was retracted once the dishonest manipulation of the data came to light. After re-analysis, the new conclusion was that neither "gender-affirming hormone treatment" nor "gender-affirming surgeries" reduced the need for mental health services, the opposite of what the study originally claimed: Correction: Transgender Surgery Provides No Mental Health Benefit.

Post-"treatment", the mentally ill victims still had 3 times the rate of inpatient psychiatric care and 19 times the rate of completed suicides.

What they mentioned were apparently changes upon birth likely related to how mothers have a different hormonal profile depending on how many children they have had, your idea of treating what may be "natural" is interesting.. We sure do like to treat all sorts of "mental abnormalities" in this great civilization of ours.

Men on average have significantly higher rates of completed suicides compared to women, what then may this say about so called "mental health"?

 

[Hugh Johnson]

poor guy named Tim out there

Now he he knows how I feel when I introduce myself. Oh well, could be worse. I could be named **** Head.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

If a man is born with a hormone imbalance, the solution is to treat that patient with the missing hormones. The solution to a hormone deficiency is certainly not to mutilate the child or adult patient.

The most important study to date which tipped the scales in favour of "gender-affirming surgeries" was this one: Psychiatry Online. But the conclusion was retracted once the dishonest manipulation of the data came to light. After re-analysis, the new conclusion was that neither "gender-affirming hormone treatment" nor "gender-affirming surgeries" reduced the need for mental health services, the opposite of what the study originally claimed: Correction: Transgender Surgery Provides No Mental Health Benefit.

Post-"treatment", the mentally ill victims still had 3 times the rate of inpatient psychiatric care and 19 times the rate of completed suicides.

What tipped the scales was doctors and pharma realising that they can make bank out of this

 

[Homo Consumericus]

What they mentioned were apparently changes upon birth likely related to how mothers have a different hormonal profile depending on how many children they have had, your idea of treating what may be "natural" is interesting.. We sure do like to treat all sorts of "mental abnormalities" in this great civilization of ours.

Men on average have significantly higher rates of completed suicides compared to women, what then may this say about so called "mental health"?

Perhaps my wording wasn't clear to you, but I was not suggesting that every man with a hormone deficiency be treated with missing hormones. My contention is that treating a male with hormones he is deficient in can be justified (for example, administering DHT to a male suffering from microphallus pathology), but treating a male with a female hormone balance and mutilating his sexual organs is never justified.

Men on average have significantly higher rates of completed suicides compared to women, what then may this say about so called "mental health"?

This suggests that men may need more mental health support than they are currently receiving. Mens Rights Activist groups have been fighting for more funding for mens issues since in many cities shelters for struggling men do not exist. This state of affairs for women would be unthinkable nowadays. Men are more likely to flunk out of school, men are more likely to be seriously injured or die while performing their job, men are more likely to lose their assets and children in a divorce, men are more likely to be homeless, yet 100s of millions more dollars/euros are allocated to supporting women's issues.

 

[Homo Consumericus]

What tipped the scales was doctors and pharma realising that they can make bank out of this

Somewhat agree. Dissolution of the Western nuclear family is the goal, and the profit motive for pharma and docs incentivizes complicity.

 

[Giraffe]

We can use an endless amount of examples of how abuse can change or define a person... It is not an accurate assessment of a more complicated and nuanced issue that in the end is rather personal.


I suppose if only they were abused like this instead we would get a more favorable outcome I suppose?

These men (in the documentary I linked) would have need needed psychotherapy. To have their bodies mutilated with what is called "gender affirming surgery" did not solve any of their problems and they later regretted their decisions.

 

[PurpleHeart]

If a man is born with a hormone imbalance, the solution is to treat that patient with the missing hormones. The solution to a hormone deficiency is certainly not to mutilate the child or adult patient.

The most important study to date which tipped the scales in favour of "gender-affirming surgeries" was this one: Psychiatry Online. But the conclusion was retracted once the dishonest manipulation of the data came to light. After re-analysis, the new conclusion was that neither "gender-affirming hormone treatment" nor "gender-affirming surgeries" reduced the need for mental health services, the opposite of what the study originally claimed: Correction: Transgender Surgery Provides No Mental Health Benefit.

Post-"treatment", the mentally ill victims still had 3 times the rate of inpatient psychiatric care and 19 times the rate of completed suicides.

I never said anything about a hormonal imbalance , hormone levels have nothing to do with sexual preference or transgenderism as far as I know, I said a study showed that males can be born with a female brain, and that is a problem much more complicated that something you can solve with supplementing DHT or something.

Also you are clearly biased against it , you do not posses a neutral point of view, you are subject to not only naturalistic fallacies, but also childish black and white Christian ethics, and delusions about someone wanting to dissolute the western family,

Western way of thinking is what got all of us into this mess in the first place, you are trying to oversimplify something that probably neither of us understand a significant part of, I am not saying transgenderism is the perfect solution , but it seems to work for some people and believing that this people somehow hurt you or your precious western family structure is laughable.