It's funny how "male issues" are always self-driven, i.e., men are always made out as losers in the world, whereas females never have to "woman up"

[Atman]

Very interesting thread.
I am positively surprised that most members here now at least acknowledge the problem/phenomenon.
I have to admit that when I first started thinking about this topic, I was inclined to side with the position of the incel-sphere, which tends to put the "blame" on women.
But this is a very shortsighted judgment when you consider what is actually happening at large.
When one considers the dedifferentiation of the sexes as a degenerative process, which can be compared to the formation of cancer within the individual organism, the hypergamous selective behaviour of women appears as a corrective force. This force however tends to erode one of the prerequisites for our functioning modern society.

 

[Makrosky]

A couple of years ago I saw a study that concluded 2% of all married men in the UK were married to women who gave birth to babies whose actual father was another man. The birth of the child occurred after the woman got married. At 2% of the entire UK married population, that's hundreds of thousansds of cucked men who are raising and paying for another man's child and don't know it. Now married men have to get blood test to confirm it's their kid! It's not hating on women to see something very wrong with this picture.

2% is a very low percentage I think haidut posted a while ago a higher figure. And I believe it. The thing is rampant. I am with you 100% that should be prosecuted and women (but not because they are women) should be punished for that. Still, whether morally correct or incorrect, it is the lawmaker's fault, not women as a collective. I don't judge women as a collective for that, one does what laws allow one to do because at the end of the day the hard boundary is the law, not what is morally correct or not. It would be like calling men thiefs because most of the bankers are men.

And if the state thinks the right to "have a father" is superior to the right to no raise a kid that is not yours (they use this legal trick) then the state can hire fathers or pay for social care or whatever but not burden someone's life with a wight that is unfair.

 

[Badger]

2% is a very low percentage I think haidut posted a while ago a higher figure. And I believe it. The thing is rampant. I am with you 100% that should be prosecuted and women (but not because they are women) should be punished for that. Still, whether morally correct or incorrect, it is the lawmaker's fault, not women as a collective. I don't judge women as a collective for that, one does what laws allow one to do because at the end of the day the hard boundary is the law, not what is morally correct or not. It would be like calling men thiefs because most of the bankers are men.

And if the state thinks the right to "have a father" is superior to the right to no raise a kid that is not yours (they use this legal trick) then the state can hire fathers or pay for social care or whatever but not burden someone's life with a wight that is unfair.

The state already has vast numbers of men who pay for raising children raised by women they did not have the pleasure of impregnating. It goes under the heading of "welfare."

The state shakes down money from men in what is called "taxes" and distributes it very efficiently to single women with children - the majority of whom are black, though white women are doing their best to catch up, from stats I've seen - and whose impregnator has disappeared and is paying out nothing. Thanks to welfare, why would women bother to curtail their sexual activities or be very demanding about the conditions for having sex with men, such as demand they legally marry them first? Thanks to welfare to cover their back (or vagina and what later comes out of it - babies), why should women not profligately chase all the alluring alpha unmarriageable bad boys - who would make lousy fathers in many cases - they want and leave the beta and incel men fend for themselves with porn? A hell of a lot of women answer these questions with this reply, "Sure, why not." And lots of stupid men support this system, which screws them over endlessly.

 

[FocusedOnHealth]

I don't mean to discourage this kind of discussion and delude guys with fairy tales, but be wary of how your thoughts are being shapen. It's easy to picture how counterproductive it can be for susceptible guys to be constantly exposed to such information. Consider the guy from the videos above, if he spent time fixated on these topics, he might view himself as a number and contrast with the girl's number for compatibility. Then, he would think that if average guys are having a difficult time with women, what are the chances of someone with a disability? He might ponder how much resources he has, perhaps to compensate, but soon be discouraged because if anything goes wrong, the law favors women. It's probable that he wouldn't invest, but if he did and the response was positive, he would be very suspicious of her intentions and behave accordingly. When interacting, he would be constantly screening her for warning signs and that's where most of his attention would go. It's likely that the outcome would be different, things wouldn't take off, he would reinforce his views, fit in the statistic and join other frustrated guys for complaining, perhaps feeling at ease the more other men failed.

Dating single moms is alright provided that it was weighed as a defect. Maybe the guy killed someone in the past, evening them and allowing a healthy relationship to occur.

Those are good points. Anything that is fixated upon, to the exclusion of other ideas, can become a skewed perspective. Too much “ woe is me, the cards are stacked against me- I might as well give up” mentality, is counterproductive. Change your perspective and your thoughts, change your outcome.

 

[Amazoniac]

On the topic of productive ingenuity, getting into a relationship to eventually constitute a family with fetal synthesis involves a lot of sacrifices no matter how wealthy you are. It can be problematic to be too objective about it, men are at greater risk of falling victims of this objectivism since women have the biological pressure, but both sexes need some noble reason to override the fact that they'll be creating their own parasite that's going to suck the life out of them with nothing material in return, maybe one day with nothing guaranteed. Without fantasizing, people won't be willing/compelled to endure it. Overlooking challenges is part of mating, but can't be an excuse to be delusional and let predatory women exploit. Having defined rôles for men and women would help for forcing interdependency.

I was thinking of building a website for a male version of deflorate.me. It would be a connecting place for women to do charity work for us, virgins. A verification is going to be needed -- CAPTVSA (Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Virgins and Sinners Apart) -- to avoid opportunist guys: 'Select images related to Naruto'.

 

[Regina]

The same thing can be said about pretty much any modern music genre. There are allegations even against the Beatles - i.e. them being a CIA project/psyop.
Anyways, I did not say hip hop represents reality for everybody, but it does represent the type of reality poor people driven by a system into a life with no prospects (except "getting rich or die tryin") face. Namely, if the only concern in life is survival and making it through the day, most urban dwellers will probably devolve into "dealers" (usually males) and hoes (usually females). Look at the "occupation" profile reports on people in most large slums around the world. There is not much else they can do/be in such conditions and we (the, now former, middle class) are rapidly approaching that state of affairs too due to the elite's psyops and economic policies over the last 50+ years.

"Home sapiens have outgrown their use...... Gotta make way for the homo superior......"


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBQ-S6njQQw

 

[Badger]

C'mon MAN:

"All of you defining ‘woman’ in biological terms: so reductive! Is every swinging d*ck a MAN? Aren’t certain higher qualities required? Courage, discipline, rationality, moderation, restraint, self-possession, confidence, fortitude, tenacity and good sense… what of ‘woman’, then?"


View: https://twitter.com/malmesburyman/status/1506619469170458625

 

[OccamzRazer]

C'mon MAN:

"All of you defining ‘woman’ in biological terms: so reductive! Is every swinging d*ck a MAN? Aren’t certain higher qualities required? Courage, discipline, rationality, moderation, restraint, self-possession, confidence, fortitude, tenacity and good sense… what of ‘woman’, then?"


View: https://twitter.com/malmesburyman/status/1506619469170458625

Fair enough, but by this logic there are probably only a couple dozen true women in the US ?

 

[Badger]

Fair enough, but by this logic there are probably only a couple dozen true women in the US ?

If you your joke is funny, you must be a woman. Or one in spirit.

 

[IT'S OVER]

**** man, i just wanted to have a virgin and loyal woman to build a family with her, but people nowdays are all so promiscuous. And i dont think iam prepared to have a woman, i havent became nothing by going to school and playing video games (thankfully iam still very young).There A LOT of work to be done, but i kind lose the motivation to improve easy, since it will be almost impossible to reach my goals. hate modern society

 

[Badger]

**** man, i just wanted to have a virgin and loyal woman to build a family with her, but people nowdays are all so promiscuous. And i dont think iam prepared to have a woman, i havent became nothing by going to school and playing video games (thankfully iam still very young).There A LOT of work to be done, but i kind lose the motivation to improve easy, since it will be almost impossible to reach my goals. hate modern society

You sound very disheartened and demoralized. Look at this blog, which no longer is updated, but has been archived at the URL below. Focus especially on the posts that have to do with sex and women. Reading his stuff might raise your courage and also help you find the right lady, which will reenergize you like few things can. He has lots of practical ideas about that: Chateau Heartiste

 

[IT'S OVER]

You sound very disheartened and demoralized. Look at this blog, which no longer is updated, but has been archived at the URL below. Focus especially on the posts that have to do with sex and women. Reading his stuff might raise your courage and also help you find the right lady, which will reenergize you like few things can. He has lots of practical ideas about that: Chateau Heartiste

i was 3 days no fap when i did this comentary, so dont take it to serius. i cant sleep, i wish i could sleep, thats it. but thanks to the suggestion anyways

 

[OccamzRazer]

I'm sitting in a coffee shop right now surrounded by a group of loud, rude, obese 'Christian' women.

They're actually reading the scripture as we speak - reading about how Jesus doesn't allow men to get divorced!

These women are talking **** about their husbands and being cruel towards their young kids, who are also here. (I know what discipline looks like...but these women are just being cruel.)

If they verbally abuse their kids one more time I am going to go over and tell them to be nice.

If they don't take what I say seriously, I'm going to call CPS.

Being married to any of these women would surely be hell on earth. I feel bad for the children...

 

[ursidae]

LMAO this guy really went and pasted this message in three different threads

are you getting paid to b!tch and moan about women?

 

[OccamzRazer]

LMAO this ****er really went and pasted this message in three different threads

are you getting paid to b**** and moan about women?

Hi Ursidae long time no speak ?

 

[aniciete]

LMAO this guy really went and pasted this message in three different threads

are you getting paid to b!tch and moan about women?

Ironic coming from you

 

[OccamzRazer]

LMAO this guy really went and pasted this message in three different threads

are you getting paid to b!tch and moan about women?

How are you doing today?

Thanks for specifying that I'm a guy and not a ****er.

Maybe we can get along after all !

 

[JamesGatz]

are you getting paid to b!tch and moan about women?

I'm doing it for FREE currently but if Soros wants to cut a check for me to make a living doing it - I'll start bringing the heat

 

[Peatness]

I'm doing it for FREE currently but if Soros wants to cut a check for me to make a living doing it - I'll start bringing the heat

You are not doing yourself a favour. All you achieve is attracting more of what you are b i t ching about. You want love show love. You want respect show respect. Your mother is a women, your sister is a woman, your aunt is a woman, your grandmother is a women – think.

 

[OccamzRazer]

If women here were to make a post complaining about men who were mistreating their children and talking trash about their wives at her local coffee shop...

And if she were to - gasp - post this in 3 separate places ALL AT ONCE...

I would not be offended.
I would not call her a ****er.
I would not accuse her of getting paid to write.
I would not refer to her valid complaint as 'b!tching.'

Instead I would emphasize and also feel bad for the wives and children.

@Peatness @ursidae