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I get that it is better than the America dollar now, but for my buck, I don’t want to be part of the experiment and be left holding a bunch of Pokémon cards nobody wants, and want my savings gold backed.

First off, I don't think anybody should be taking what I write as truth. I am sharing what I am observing.

From an investing standpoint, everybody should make decisions based on the knowledge and how it makes sense to them.

With that said, I believe we are all apart of an experiment.
 
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First off, I don't think anybody should be taking what I write as truth. I am sharing what I am observing.

From an investing standpoint, everybody should make decisions based on the knowledge and how it makes sense to them.

With that said, I believe we are all apart of the experiment no matter what.
Well of of course, the world is a mess. Your video pointed towards, gold is the better choice, as an investment.

EDIT: crypto convenient and a maybe, and gold safest, but not so usable.
 
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Well of of course, the world is a mess. Your video pointed towards, gold is the better choice.

That was your interpretation of the video. That is not how I interpreted the video. With that said, I have been studying this narrative for a few years.

When they spoke about a "gold backed token" and XRP being on the same level as the gold back token which are designed to replace the dollar, then that said to me,

"If the world is ran by the dollar as the main reserve and bridge currency and it's about to collapse, that would mean that the world needs new medium of exchanges to take their place. Therefore, all the money that is in the world currently will flow into these new tokens which will increase the value of the token."

Gold is a phenomenal preservation of wealth, but to send gold around the world is expensive and heavy due to the weight of the metal. Therefore, a digital representation of gold, kind of like a stock, has a high chance of seeing appreciation for little a low amount of an investment because it's easier to transfer trillions of dollars around the world in seconds.
 
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That was your interpretation of the video. That is not how I interpreted the video. With that said, I have been studying this narrative for a few years.

When they spoke about a "gold backed token" and XRP being on the same level as the gold back token which are designed to replace the dollar, then that said to me,

"If the world is ran by the dollar as the main reserve and bridge currency and it's about to collapse, that would mean that the world needs new medium of exchanges to take their place. Therefore, all the money that is in the world currently will flow into these new tokens which will increase the value of the token."

Gold is a phenomenal preservation of wealth, but to send gold around the world is expensive and heavy due to the weight of the metal. Therefore, a digital representation of gold, kind of like a stock, has a high chance of seeing appreciation for little a low amount of an investment because it's easier to transfer trillions of dollars around the world in seconds.
You are right, what I said is my interpretation of what I heard. The video didn’t change my view on anything, as I already had plans for transferring my checking account, months ago and a trip planned to do it this weekend, and I have invested in gold. I am definitely not buying anytime soon. I have friends that have made money buying the right one and lost it all doing it again.
 

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I'll probably get push back on this, but here goes... :): Crypto seems like some kind of pyramid scheme to me. The only way a person makes money is if somebody has become convinced that the crypto that can be purchased has some kind of value, and that that value will likely increase if they can find somebody else who also believes it has value, and will also increase in value, etc. etc. etc.

It seems contrary to the "wisdom of the ages" I once heard in a story format. -- An ancient king gathered his wisest men and asked them to search through and compile all the wisdom that had ever been accumulated. After several years, these wise men compiled that ancient wisdom, and recorded it into seven separate volumes. The king was pleased, but thought it was too long. Could they condense it down to one volume?

The wise men weren't sure how they could do that, but after much effort, they did manage it. The king was very pleased, but still felt it was too long. Could they whittle it down to one chapter? Subsequently, the king asked if they could whittle it down to a single paragraph. Then into a single sentence. Even the single sentence was too long for the king, and he asked if they could whittle down all the wisdom of the ages into just five words. They finally got back to the king, and presented their five-word synopsis of all the wisdom of the ages: "There ain't no free lunch!" The king was very satisified.

And so it goes. So many of the world's problems exist because people don't understand a basic spiritual premise, the one that says everything must be paid for in the true coin. Crypto just doesn't fill that bill--for me. It may for others, but not for me. It seems people are always looking for shortcuts to get "their share" of wealth without necessarily having to work for it. Looking for a way of "getting something for nothing".

I've heard of many people who did get very, very wealthy timing the crypto markets just right. But I've heard of many others (often minorities who don't have good access to our banking system) who've lost a LOT of their money, leaving some of them destitute from investing (gambling) on a "sure thing". To me, it just seems the crypto markets are like a gigantic casino. (Not to say our current conventional banking system doesn't have its own faults).
 
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I'll probably get push back on this, but here goes... :): Crypto seems like some kind of pyramid scheme to me. The only way a person makes money is if somebody has become convinced that the crypto that can be purchased has some kind of value, and that that value will likely increase if they can find somebody else who also believes it has value, and will also increase in value, etc. etc. etc.

It seems contrary to the "wisdom of the ages" I once heard in a story format. -- An ancient king gathered his wisest men and asked them to search through and compile all the wisdom that had ever been accumulated. After several years, these wise men compiled that ancient wisdom, and recorded it into seven separate volumes. The king was pleased, but thought it was too long. Could they condense it down to one volume?

The wise men weren't sure how they could do that, but after much effort, they did manage it. The king was very pleased, but still felt it was too long. Could they whittle it down to one chapter? Subsequently, the king asked if they could whittle it down to a single paragraph. Then into a single sentence. Even the single sentence was too long for the king, and he asked if they could whittle down all the wisdom of the ages into just five words. They finally got back to the king, and presented their five-word synopsis of all the wisdom of the ages: "There ain't no free lunch!" The king was very satisified.

And so it goes. So many of the world's problems exist because people don't understand a basic spiritual premise, the one that says everything must be paid for in the true coin. Crypto just doesn't fill that bill--for me. It may for others, but not for me. It seems people are always looking for shortcuts to get "their share" of wealth without necessarily having to work for it. Looking for a way of "getting something for nothing".

I've heard of many people who did get very, very wealthy timing the crypto markets just right. But I've heard of many others (often minorities who don't have good access to our banking system) who've lost a LOT of their money, leaving some of them destitute from investing (gambling) on a "sure thing". To me, it just seems the crypto markets are like a gigantic casino. (Not to say our current conventional banking system doesn't have its own faults).

Thanks for sharing your input, Layne, and taking the time to offer your perspective.

I think you hit the nail on the head in the final sentence.

In banking, people have no problem putting their money in the bank not realizing it’s no longer their money, officially.

And I agree with you about crypto and someone convincing them on a price. But isn’t that the exact same as any other forms of asset or medium of exchange?

For someone to sell their house, they have to make a decision based on someone agreeing to that price, and, the rest of the market can dictate the price.
When someone runs a business, they have to create a price based on what the market agrees is a price they would pay.
They can also get someone to buy a house or business by convincing them that the price is going up.

Now, am I a fan of crypto And what it stands for? Not necessarily.
Am I a fan of the current monetary system and what it stands for? Not necessarily.

But I am becoming accepting of the system that we live in more than I initially would.

In essence, all of it is a pyramid scheme, it may just be less pronounced and in your face then someone selling multi level marketing.
 
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I'll probably get push back on this, but here goes... :): Crypto seems like some kind of pyramid scheme to me. The only way a person makes money is if somebody has become convinced that the crypto that can be purchased has some kind of value, and that that value will likely increase if they can find somebody else who also believes it has value, and will also increase in value, etc. etc. etc.

It seems contrary to the "wisdom of the ages" I once heard in a story format. -- An ancient king gathered his wisest men and asked them to search through and compile all the wisdom that had ever been accumulated. After several years, these wise men compiled that ancient wisdom, and recorded it into seven separate volumes. The king was pleased, but thought it was too long. Could they condense it down to one volume?

The wise men weren't sure how they could do that, but after much effort, they did manage it. The king was very pleased, but still felt it was too long. Could they whittle it down to one chapter? Subsequently, the king asked if they could whittle it down to a single paragraph. Then into a single sentence. Even the single sentence was too long for the king, and he asked if they could whittle down all the wisdom of the ages into just five words. They finally got back to the king, and presented their five-word synopsis of all the wisdom of the ages: "There ain't no free lunch!" The king was very satisified.

And so it goes. So many of the world's problems exist because people don't understand a basic spiritual premise, the one that says everything must be paid for in the true coin. Crypto just doesn't fill that bill--for me. It may for others, but not for me. It seems people are always looking for shortcuts to get "their share" of wealth without necessarily having to work for it. Looking for a way of "getting something for nothing".

I've heard of many people who did get very, very wealthy timing the crypto markets just right. But I've heard of many others (often minorities who don't have good access to our banking system) who've lost a LOT of their money, leaving some of them destitute from investing (gambling) on a "sure thing". To me, it just seems the crypto markets are like a gigantic casino. (Not to say our current conventional banking system doesn't have its own faults).
This is great @Layne!! I think crypto money is valuable today, and maybe it is like a house of cards pyramid scheme of sorts. There is nothing backing it except everyone agreeing it is valuable, I mow your lawn you give me a note saying I owe you and you can pass it on to someone else who agrees that they will sign up for that way of trading. Maybe it will keep going that way, and so on, and so and so on, or the powers that be says, “Nah let’s start over.” My point isn’t that crypto doesn’t have value right now, but like the video said, it is a compromise, for now, until they figure out if everyone is going to sign up and agrees that it should be the new way. Well until then I am just going to sit on the sidelines and be a spectator on that one, until it is a for sure. I don’t have money to gamble.
 
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In essence, all of it is a pyramid scheme, it may just be less pronounced and in your face then someone selling multi level marketing.
Gold is of value because it in limited quantity, you can’t created it, like paper dollars or invisible floating money. With that being said, and kind of to your point, if you are a Bible believer gold will be eventually be worthless, not even able to buy you a loaf of bread. You’ll have to sell your soul for it. We can only be so prepared.
 
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This is the CEO of SDF. Based on her words and how she frames it, this is the problem that they are attempting to solve which will come off as appealing to everyday people and institutions that are transacting.
 

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I get that it is better than the America dollar now, but for my buck, I don’t want to be part of the experiment and be left holding a bunch of Pokémon cards nobody wants, and want my savings gold backed.
Exactly my thoughts. The wise thing would be to stay away from digital in the next year or two. Maybe 1-2% for fun if one has enough spare time to follow the story and enjoy until lights out. Metals are in fact really cheap, they've made such a massive distortion from reality, a pretty big mess they need to fix through a reset. Its long overdue. No need for gambles in other vehicles.

If in fact we do see a scenario with internet disruptions I guess digitals will be at a rock solid bottom with panic selling we've never seen before. Gold/Silver holders might finally get their long awaited/ but short/ dinosaur moment to unload and buy some brand new shiny and cool crypto on the web 3.0 or whatever build back version they say it is and enjoy the ride.
 
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Exactly my thoughts. The wise thing would be to stay away from digital in the next year or two. Maybe 1-2% for fun if one has enough spare time to follow the story and enjoy until lights out. Metals are in fact really cheap, they've made such a massive distortion from reality, a pretty big mess they need to fix through a reset. Its long overdue. No need for gambles in other vehicles.

If in fact we do see a scenario with internet disruptions I guess digitals will be at a rock solid bottom with panic selling we've never seen before. Gold/Silver holders might finally get their long awaited/ but short/ dinosaur moment to unload and buy some brand new shiny and cool crypto on the web 3.0 or whatever build back version they say it is and enjoy the ride.
There we go! This! All that you just said here sounds about right!
 
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Glad your hunch tells you it might be close to target. I take that as a strong confirmation. Works better than any other indicator.
I don’t think I have the future predicted, but jumping in on a compromise or experiment is never going to be a risk I will be comfortable taking. I am glad you started this thread, because I have thought about these things a lot and came to an unsure conclusion, and then got complacent, switched gears, and put efforts to growing food instead, until I could be sure of something. I am feeling the need to get that money market account going, as I felt 6 months ago, but just hadn’t done it, and video was a good reminder to quit putting it off.
 

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I don’t think I have the future predicted, but jumping in on a compromise or experiment is never going to be a risk I will be comfortable taking. I am glad you started this thread, because I have thought about these things a lot and came to an unsure conclusion, and then got complacent, switched gears, and put efforts to growing food instead, until I could be sure of something. I am feeling the need to get that money market account going, as I felt 6 months ago, but just hadn’t done it, and video was a good reminder to quit putting it off.
Risking too much on what is now still "concepts" with some 3 letter abbreviation is not a risk I am ready to take either until I see the reset play out. I too understand they are the future and governments will push them on us and getting early will make serious money but many people in the markets suffer a serious condition I call "the fear of missing out" and this makes them put their money in the wrong place or the wrong time or both because they have the dreams of becoming super rich with a click of a button. But there is always a catch, especially so late in the game. Also the game changes completely when there is a family involved that needs to get taken care of.
 
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Risking too much on what is now still "concepts" with some 3 letter abbreviation is not a risk I am ready to take either until I see the reset play out. I too understand they are the future and governments will push them on us and getting early will make serious money but many people in the markets suffer a serious condition I call "the fear of missing out" and this makes them put their money in the wrong place or the wrong time or both because they have the dreams of becoming super rich with a click of a button. But there is always a catch, especially so late in the game. Also the game changes completely when there is a family involved that needs to get taken care of.

I appreciate your comments and thank you for sharing some good thoughts.

Since other people may read this thread, I will
add this perspective.

When people are investing I believe they need to have multiple perspectives. When people are viewing crypto there are a lot narratives that are being spread.

I do whole heartedly agree that no one should consider investing all of their money into crypto. I always agree in a diversified portfolio and I personally believe that precious metals is a very strong and safe place for most people to be.

However, and this next line is important for people to understand.

$100 in the right crypto could turn into 6 or 7 figures one day.

And, if you study, closely, the narrative that is playing out with the future of our financial
System, you can find an understanding of that.

Therefore, to have a diversified portfolio, I don’t think it’s unwise for people to understand that $50-$100 isnt very risky.

If a person has $100,000 to invest and they put $100-$500 into the right crypto, I personally see that as low risk with the potential for a strong upside.

If someone only has $5000 to invest, personally, I don’t see $50-$100 of that as being risky.

For example, if cryptos like XRP, xlm, Xdc become worth $1000-$10,000 one day and a person invested $100 and that’s all they ever did as a skeptic, then again, that seems pretty low risk.

Thanks again to everyone for contributing their thoughts. This is a good thread.
 

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Crypto seems like some kind of pyramid scheme to me.
To me, it just seems the crypto markets are like a gigantic casino. (Not to say our current conventional banking system doesn't have its own faults).
I think you're pretty much right. When Bitcoin was first created years ago, the creator(s) intended it to just be a decentralised alternative to other monetary means, and not really anything more than that.

The biggest downside of decentralisation is that it's fair game for bad actors just as much as it is everyone else. There isn't really anything stopping one from propagating something about Bitcoin. Bitcoin replacing all monetary methods - one of the biggest narratives, was not only a pipedream, but it wasn't even part of the original vision. It was pure propaganda. And everyone fell for it, including me.

A novel technology no one really understands, and no single entity that "owns" it? Yeah. You could propagate anything and there's nothing anyone can really do about it.

As of now, from all the coins I've seen and die, there is literally only one cryptocurrency I've found that has a "use case", and ironically, it has nothing to do with the fact it's a cryptocurrency.
(No, I won't say what it is because I refuse to sound like a shill)
 

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$100 in the right crypto could turn into 6 or 7 figures one day.
This was true 10 years ago, but that was only because no one really understood what crypto even was at the time (and still do to an extent). That game has since been played, and the novelty wave has since passed. It would take something else to recreate such massive perceived value.
 
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This was true 10 years ago, but that was only because no one really understood what crypto even was at the time (and still do to an extent). That game has since been played, and the novelty wave has since passed. It would take something else to recreate such massive perceived value.

Thanks for sharing your input.

You are right in that the novelty wave has passed, but the utility wave, the largest wave hasn't happened yet.

Currently, the market cap hasn't ever really gone much above 1 trillion dollars. Eventually, the market cap will be above 1 quadrillion dollars if not more because all of the banks and institutions are going to use it to move trillions of dollars a day around the world.

So, to answer your question as to something else that will create massive perceived value, this is it.

The wave of people seeing tremendous gains in the initial novelty phase happened with things like, Bitcoin, Ethereum, Dogecoin, and other random coins before regulation kicked in.

The next wave are the utility wave cryptos like:

XRP
XLM
XDC
ALGO
IOTA
HBAR

...and more.

Thanks again for contributing to the thread my friend.
 
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I appreciate your comments and thank you for sharing some good thoughts.

Since other people may read this thread, I will
add this perspective.

When people are investing I believe they need to have multiple perspectives. When people are viewing crypto there are a lot narratives that are being spread.

I do whole heartedly agree that no one should consider investing all of their money into crypto. I always agree in a diversified portfolio and I personally believe that precious metals is a very strong and safe place for most people to be.

However, and this next line is important for people to understand.

$100 in the right crypto could turn into 6 or 7 figures one day.

And, if you study, closely, the narrative that is playing out with the future of our financial
System, you can find an understanding of that.

Therefore, to have a diversified portfolio, I don’t think it’s unwise for people to understand that $50-$100 isnt very risky.

If a person has $100,000 to invest and they put $100-$500 into the right crypto, I personally see that as low risk with the potential for a strong upside.

If someone only has $5000 to invest, personally, I don’t see $50-$100 of that as being risky.

For example, if cryptos like XRP, xlm, Xdc become worth $1000-$10,000 one day and a person invested $100 and that’s all they ever did as a skeptic, then again, that seems pretty low risk.

Thanks again to everyone for contributing their thoughts. This is a good thread.
Investing and risking do not have the same meaning. Investing is a slow build up and risking is the same as gambling. You can take that same $100 or $500 dollars, one can afford to risk, and double and quadruple it, and even 7 and 8 times over, and quicker, at the casino or horse races, and I have done it, many times, and more than 8 times over. At least with the stock market you can know about the company and it’s history. A diversified portfolio is right, but how is crypto not more like a pyramid scheme, when there is nothing solid backing it, no company, no gold, no nothing, nothing but the people who are pushing it saying it has value? Maybe eventually it will have value, but I can’t see that until they erase everything and start over, and it then represents something with value.
 
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Investing and risking do not have the same meaning. Investing is a slow build up and risking is the same as gambling. You can take that same $100 or $500 dollars, one can afford to risk, and double and quadruple it, and even 7 and 8 times over, and quicker, at the casino or horse races, and I have done it, many times, and more than 8 times over. At least with the stock market you can know about the company and it’s history. A diversified portfolio is right, but how is crypto not more like a pyramid scheme, when there is nothing solid backing it, no company, no gold, no nothing, nothing but the people who are pushing it saying it has value? Maybe eventually it will have value, but I can’t see that until they erase everything and start over, and it then represents something with value.

Great thoughts.

In my opinion, the stock market is no different than gambling at the casino.

You can study the companies that created cryptos like XRP (Ripple), XLM (Stellar Development Foundation), XDC (XinFin).

The value in a crypto is the problem that it solves. Just like when a company comes up with a new idea to solve a world problem.

Therefore, choosing to invest in a crypto is no different than investing in stocks or real estate as far as gambling your money into something that can have uncertainty.

Now, to your point of investing in something with a history, then I can understand why you don't want to invest in something without a history. There are many people that are willing to do their research on new technologies and decide whether or not they think it will come to fruition or not. It's the same as entrepreneurs building on an idea for the first time and believing based on the best reasonings they can find whether or not it will work.

As far as it being a pyramid scheme, from a perspective you can look at gold as a pyramid scheme. The world decides the value of it and this decision gets passed down to layers and layers of people like a pyramid.

To sum this up, if any individual is not comfortable with investing $50 on believing in something new then I can understand that. I just want to make sure that others that read this thread see all sides to the understanding of this.

Thanks again for your thoughts.
 
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