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I know women can benefit from progesterone, but when (if ever) should they consider supplementing with the other two "youth hormones" Peat speaks highly of?
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I have estrogen dominance however blood serum estrogen levels were low as were DHEA.
I take 20 mg. of DHEA every three days and so far, so good with no side effects however I've only been on it about a month. I think it helps with energy levels and I hope that it raises my estrogen levels some. I have estrogen dominance however blood serum estrogen levels were low as were DHEA. I also use progesterone cream and take Vitex in the am.
Have you read ray's work on estrogen? Aging, estrogen, and progesterone
Estrogen causes cancer, inflammation and degeneration, and almost everything that goes wrong with the body involves estrogen dominance.
I can't see any reason why you'd want to raise it.
He recommends at least a 20:1 ratio of progesterone to estrogen blood levels, so if anything you'd need to reduce estrogen, not raise it.
I thought the ratio he recommended was 10:1. Progesterone To Estradiol Ratio (P:E2)He recommends at least a 20:1 ratio of progesterone to estrogen blood levels
I thought the ratio he recommended was 10:1. Progesterone To Estradiol Ratio (P:E2)
That's what I always thought too.Maybe that's the minimum?
...because I also saw 100 to 1 here:
Progesterone 100 Times Higher Than Estrogen
I disagree that women should not try and raise estrogen because estrogen can be protective but I do agree with you on the ratio to progesterone. DHEA can raise both and here is a link to a study.
DHEA Supplements and Hormone Levels
I would never take DHEA without taking DIM and calcium D Glucarate and Vitex. I'm doing my own N 0f 1 to find the perfect dose of each of these supplements and then I can report back on how these combos can potentially help women in similar situations as mine.
Could be. It's a bit confusing. The formula @haidut gave me was a way to calculate tissue levels so maybe that makes a difference too.Maybe that's the minimum?
All the stress hormones including estrogen can be protective in an acute emergency, but estrogen shouldn't be elevated chronically. It also increases with aging and all disease.
Highly suggest you read Ray's work. It is the opposite of what most mainstream info will tell you; i.e., that estrogen is helpful in any way.
It is interesting what you say about bringing the period back. Have you succeeded this only by adding DHEA ?Tomisonbottom,
I never listen take the advice of anyone, including Ray Peat and especially anything that is mainstream without very thorough investigation. Why do you think I'm posting on this subject? Because I read one thing on the internet and followed that advice? LOL! Are you a man or woman? I am a woman and I have experienced first hand the horrors of menopause. I have gone days without sleep. You should know that estrogen levels drop during menopause and it the significant drop of that along with progesterone that causes the hot flashes, the insomnia, the mood swings, weight gain. Raising estrogen along with progesterone and DHEA to can restore balance and get rid of some of the symptoms. Of course you need to know about 2-hydroxylation and 16-hydroxylation. Every one is different and I'm telling you what has worked for me. I was able to bring my period back and feel normal again. Women DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and don't be afraid to experiment and get regular testing and journal about your experience and the supplements that you're taking.
Tomisonbottom,
I never listen take the advice of anyone, including Ray Peat and especially anything that is mainstream without very thorough investigation. Why do you think I'm posting on this subject? Because I read one thing on the internet and followed that advice? LOL! Are you a man or woman? I am a woman and I have experienced first hand the horrors of menopause. I have gone days without sleep. You should know that estrogen levels drop during menopause and it the significant drop of that along with progesterone that causes the hot flashes, the insomnia, the mood swings, weight gain. Raising estrogen along with progesterone and DHEA to can restore balance and get rid of some of the symptoms. Of course you need to know about 2-hydroxylation and 16-hydroxylation. Every one is different and I'm telling you what has worked for me. I was able to bring my period back and feel normal again. Women DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and don't be afraid to experiment and get regular testing and journal about your experience and the supplements that you're taking.
You should know that estrogen levels drop during menopause and it the significant drop of that along with progesterone that causes the hot flashes, the insomnia, the mood swings, weight gain.
How can one be estrogen dominant but have low estrogen levels on blood test? Sounds confusing.