Vitamin A and T3 for testosterone - dosage

[supercoolguy]

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Hi,
Can you please change the name of the forum, this is clearly disrespect to Peat and all of his works.

Yep, this is dissolving into a personal site.

 

[charlie]

Yep, this is dissolving into a personal site.

Do you not find it interesting the @GreekDemiGod goes and makes a thread complaining about his ban here and then several people chime in that "vitamin A" is indeed toxic and also two of those people said they felt better on low vitamin A with one of those saying it stopped their headaches?

 

[Sumbody]

Do you not find it interesting the @GreekDemiGod goes and makes a thread complaining about his ban here and then several people chime in that "vitamin A" is indeed toxic and also two of those people said they felt better on low vitamin A with one of those saying it stopped their headaches?

Can you link that thread here?

I can't seem to find it anywhere on the forum.

 

[supercoolguy]

Do you not find it interesting the @GreekDemiGod goes and makes a thread complaining about his ban here and then several people chime in that "vitamin A" is indeed toxic and also two of those people said they felt better on low vitamin A with one of those saying it stopped their headaches?

Spanning 18yrs of reading & listing, I recall KMUD Rad or other Interviews that contain the same sentiment of Vit A can interfere with thyroid. So why is this even an issue??
I never once heard RP say: "Takes lots of Vit A"

Seem probable that the people who choose low vit A are correct by coincidence, valuable none the less.

Maybe I missed something, Your solution to this criticizer is banning?

 

[Sumbody]

I know RP has said that the best way to raise testosterone is to take vitamin a and T3 but I've never found any info about dosage. Do you have any information about that or your own experience?

You can try looking here for information you may seek.

Vitamin A Stimulates Testosterone Production

I know some people here are trying to raise testosterone and have even asked Peat about it. Peat responded long the lines of "increase vitamin A and thyroid". It looks like he is right (again) about the vitamin A part. This study shows that both retinol and retinoic acid stimulated testosterone...

raypeatforum.com

It's unfortunate your post here was hijacked in such a way.

 

[charlie]

It's unfortunate your post here was hijacked in such a way.

What is unfortunate is people like you do not consider this information and look at the mountain of evidence available that shows quite the contrary. This is cult like behavior which allows the poisoning of the people to continue.


View: https://twitter.com/NutriDetect/status/1594364556050313216

 

[charlie]

View: https://twitter.com/NutriDetect/status/1604520934861201410

 

[Sumbody]

This is cult like behavior which allows the poisoning of the people to continue.

The cult like behavior came from your response to this thread.

The title is 'Vitamin A and T3 for Testosterone' for which there is a "mountain" of evidence, yet you jumped in with "Peat is dead wrong about A, etc."

No one asked 'Is Dr. Peat Right Or Wrong About Vitamin A?'

Your response on this thread was not at all dissimilar to a vegan jumping into an argument about meat, or arguing for the virtues of Keto vs. Carnivore, vax'd or non-vax'd, it's ******* useless!

Your stance on Vitamin A is extremely controversial, period. But that is the beauty of it all, you are entitled to believe what you will. And who am I or anyone else to say you are wrong or right for that?

So you have no place either, as a better response may have been.. "Hey maybe you should look at this, this and this, and reform your opinion based on such"

But instead you immediately jumped in with persecution and damnation, especially to those who showed opposition to your opinion. That is not any different from the bull**** we put up with on a daily basis from MSM, big pharma, politicians and the like.

 

[charlie]

The cult like behavior came from your response to this thread.

So they wanted to cancel me, but when I canceled them you get in a huff.

Your stance on Vitamin A is extremely controversial, period.

Its not controversial at all when the evidence is considered. Have you considered the evidence that is contrary to what you believe? Wish I would had made the leap sooner.

 

[Sumbody]

So they wanted to cancel me, but when I canceled them you get in a huff.

I didn't see anyone trying to cancel you and I'm not sure what you mean by that, but the only huff I had was the shock I received when I saw how you interjected and then responded to those who were just as shocked at your responses.

Its not controversial at all when the evidence is considered.

It absolutely IS controversial when you consider all the important bodily processes that Vitamin A plays a role in. But sure, there may come a day where over 100 years of understanding gets out right flipped on it's head. Perhaps!

Have you considered the evidence that is contrary to what you believe?

I do yes, and the way I feel or think about things changes constantly. Life is fluid in this manner.

Wish I would had made the leap sooner.

I am happy for you in this regard, but we both know, what works for ourselves, doesn't always work the same for everyone else. You are blessed to have the success you've had in doing what you do, but others might not end up as fortunate.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

Also kind of ironic that a forum moderator is saying Peat was dead wrong...

Ray Peat never endorsed eating a plate of liver or even eating a little everyday, he said three ounces a week, and that is it, and not to have it on zinc days, as zinc depletes copper. Too much of a good thing most often is a bad thing. Charlie’s post was about supplementing it.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

This might be relevant.
I’m not sure if the guy is on the forum or not.

https://x.com/pyrucet/status/1742306191223738667?s=46&t=a8gKZoLMKC0o1r60b5az-g

 

[Jennifer]

When you feel this good, and have so much motivation for me its impossible to just sit and and relax.

I can relate. It’s a challenge for me to sit still with the child-like vitality I have in me. I have to make a conscious effort to show myself the same care I do others and relax periodically so that I can continue to do God’s work.

The Peat diet is a very toxic diet.

Not for me and my family. Ray’s dietary and thyroid recommendations have been a blessing to us.

 

[theoogabear]

Hey guys, I'm sorry I brought this thread back, but can someone answer my question about how to get affordable vitamin A so one can take high doses? Charlie, I think it's great that you are thriving on a low vitamin A diet, but I get painful ocular migraines and terrible allergies when I am lacking vitamin A. I feel a difference within an hour of taking it. So I personally thrive on it.

 

[Peater]

Hey guys, I'm sorry I brought this thread back, but can someone answer my question about how to get affordable vitamin A so one can take high doses? Charlie, I think it's great that you are thriving on a low vitamin A diet, but I get painful ocular migraines and terrible allergies when I am lacking vitamin A. I feel a difference within an hour of taking it. So I personally thrive on it.

Why not eat liver so you get the beneficial vitamins and minerals too? It's cheap!

 

[theoogabear]

Why not eat liver so you get the beneficial vitamins and minerals too? It's cheap!

Too much iron. I eat oysters instead.

 

[Jennifer]

@theoogabear, I don’t know what vitamin A supplements typically cost so I’m not sure if these would be considered affordable, but Toxinless.com lists IdeaLabs’ Retinil and Health Natura’s Simply A:

Retinol (vitamin A) acetate/palmitate liquids with the fewest additives - Toxinless

Recommendations for retinol acetate/palmitate supplements with the fewest additives, useful as alternatives to NutriSorb A.

www.toxinless.com

 

[tallglass13]

I once had Vitamin A deficiency likely due to heavy drinking + hypothyroidism. Became difficult to see at night, night blindness, blurry/bright starry effect on lights. Even had a scratchy heavy feeling in my eyes just about all the time.

Took high dose vitamin A every day and within about 8-10 days my eyes and night vision were back to better than what I remembered that of normal.

Its extremely common for alcoholics to have effects, prolonged or acute due to issues typically related to low vitamin A serum levels. These folks typically can recover quite quickly by administering large doses of vitamin A over a period of time.

I can't see how something your body needs is toxic. That topic really bugs me around here.

@Sumbody , Vitamin A toxicity is not a "hidden" agenda or obscure topic. Hypervitaminosis A is all over Common Medical Literature. There is no debate in any medical forum that Vitamin A toxicity exist. It very real, so real that 1 serving of Polar Bear liver is Lethal as was deadly for some explorers. Now, whether or not it is a straight up toxin, or a vitamin is debatable. But for people to be concerned on how much vitamin A they are ingesting and or storing is very responsible. Vitamin A overdosing is linked to Liver Cirrohsis and OsteoPorosis. Not something I want to play around with.
Many forum members now agree that Ray was very wrong on this subject. Especially now with the work of others showing the links between high vitamin A intake and hypothyroidism. Now we know why Ray needed to take so much thyroid hormone, because his Vitamin A intake as so antagonistic to his thyroid. Garrett Smith has many papers on the connecting between Hypothyroidism and vitamin A.

 

[golder]

@Sumbody , Now we know why Ray needed to take so much thyroid hormone, because his Vitamin A intake as so antagonistic to his thyroid.

That’s why Ray needed to take so much thyroid hormone? I’ve heard him on multiple occasions mention that 3-5mcg of T3 at a time should be the upper limit. This is mind blowingly conservative compared to almost anyone I’ve ever heard talk about thyroid hormone.

 

[Peater]

@Sumbody , Vitamin A toxicity is not a "hidden" agenda or obscure topic. Hypervitaminosis A is all over Common Medical Literature. There is no debate in any medical forum that Vitamin A toxicity exist. It very real, so real that 1 serving of Polar Bear liver is Lethal as was deadly for some explorers. Now, whether or not it is a straight up toxin, or a vitamin is debatable. But for people to be concerned on how much vitamin A they are ingesting and or storing is very responsible. Vitamin A overdosing is linked to Liver Cirrohsis and OsteoPorosis. Not something I want to play around with.
Many forum members now agree that Ray was very wrong on this subject. Especially now with the work of others showing the links between high vitamin A intake and hypothyroidism. Now we know why Ray needed to take so much thyroid hormone, because his Vitamin A intake as so antagonistic to his thyroid. Garrett Smith has many papers on the connecting between Hypothyroidism and vitamin A.

Ray used beta-carotene as an indicator of thyroid function - a healthy metabolism via good thyroid function can handle vitamin A.

He did discuss the story about explorers who ate polar bear liver and subsequently experienced their skin peeling off. He mentioned that this incident is often attributed to vitamin A toxicity. However, he expressed skepticism about this explanation, suggesting that there are many toxic substances that polar bear liver might contain, (Algal bloom toxins was mentioned) but the blame was specifically placed on vitamin A. He also pointed out that in animal experiments, even huge doses of vitamin A that would be greater than what one could get from polar bear liver never produced symptoms similar to those supposedly caused by the polar bear liver. Ray Pete's comments indicate that he sees the story as part of a history of creating panic about vitamin A, which he believes is unfounded and possibly linked to pharmaceutical companies' interests in promoting synthetic vitamin A products.