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As many of you already know, I attribute a lot of importance to hormones, and I've played quite a bit with them.

I have been off testosterone since the 6th of June this year.
When natural, my natural testosterone levels has always hovered around 500ng/dl.

It was 480ng/dl before I ever used testosterone, and 520ng/dl in september, 3 months after I discontinued testosterone.

At that time I was off ALL supplements. Not one pill would go through my system.

I have started taking Thorne's basic B complex around a month and a half ago, with great benefits. Full sized flaccid hang, balls fuller, great libido, enhanced cognition, enhanced mood.

I was curious if it had had any impact on my testosterone levels, so I went for a blood test end of last week.

My total testosterone came back at 974ng/dl.

I made sure to take my last B vitamin pill 24h prior to the test as Biotin can skew results.

E2 came back at 16pg/ml (11-44) too low to my liking.
Prolactin 16ng/ml (2-18) which seems crazy high given that the B complex has a huge B6 dose!!
@haidut not sure what to make of this prolactin value and how to decrease it.

25 hydroxy vitamin D came back low at 21,4ng/ml (30-80)

My next experiment is to start Vitamin D and Vitamin K supplementation, see if they improve my muscle building ability, which is amazingly low for a T level close to 1000.
 
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As many of you already know, I attribute a lot of importance to hormones, and I've played quite a bit with them.

I have been off testosterone since the 6th of June this year.
When natural, my natural testosterone levels has always hovered around 500ng/dl.

It was 480ng/dl before I ever used testosterone, and 520ng/dl in september, 3 months after I discontinued testosterone.

At that time I was off ALL supplements. Not one pill would go through my system.

I have started taking Thorne's basic B complex around a month and a half ago, with great benefits. Full sized flaccid hang, balls fuller, great libido, enhanced cognition, enhances mood.

I was curious if it had had any impact on my testosterone levels, so I went for a blood test end of last week.

My total testosterone came back at 974ng/dl.

I made sure to take my last B vitamin pill 24h prior to the test as Biotin can skew results.

E2 came back at 16pg/ml (11-44) too low to my liking.
Prolactin 16ng/ml (2-18) which seems crazy high given that the B complex has a huge B6 dose!!
@haidut not sure what to make of this prolactin value and how to decrease it.

25 hydroxy vitamin D came back low at 21,4ng/ml (30-80)

My next experiment is to start Vitamin D and Vitamin K supplementation, see if they improve my muscle building ability, which is amazingly low for a T level close to 1000.

I think these are great results! Coincidentally, I will make a post soon on oral pregnenolone also raising total T in males. Combining pregnenolone with the B vitamins should accelerate the conversion downstream and possibly raise T even more.
When T is that high, prolactin will rise as some of that T is getting converted into estrogen even if the serum levels of estradiol seem low-ish. Bodybuilders who use TRT always get elevated prolactin. You are not doing TRT but with T that high (technically above the upper limit of normal range) it is expected that prolactin will also rise some. Btw, serum estradiol is mostly a sign of how much estradiol the gonads are making, so having it that low is actually a great sign of gonadal health. Most of the total body estrogen comes from peripheral aromatization and is measurable by either estrone sulfate (E1S) or prolactin.
 

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I wouldn't mess with anything if I would be perfectly healthy and have that kind of testosterone level, messing with D could do you all kinds of harm.
 

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That’s awesome news man, very happy to hear it... I have had similar T levels the last few years (460-500) and this is before using Pansterone, Androsterone, Kuinone, Examastane, and some Clomid (not ******* around anymore)...... Just wanted to say that for me, I’ve used B complex, good brands (methylated versions) off and on prior to what I mentioned, and it didn’t help with T.... Congrats
 

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You should go get shbg measured, and free T alongside it.

Symptoms matter more than numbers anyway.
 

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Nothing to worry about regarding prolactin. If you want to be premature ejaculator go ahead and crash it.
 

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Great results, good to see the B vitamins are helping. I notice some benefits from Thorne's B complex, when i do take it I take the B-Complex #6 I believe although I haven't ordered it in a while.
 

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@TheBeard - Thorne makes 2 versions of that product, are you using the number 6 version with lots of B6 ?
 
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I think these are great results! Coincidentally, I will make a post soon on oral pregnenolone also raising total T in males. Combining pregnenolone with the B vitamins should accelerate the conversion downstream and possibly raise T even more.
When T is that high, prolactin will rise as some of that T is getting converted into estrogen even if the serum levels of estradiol seem low-ish. Bodybuilders who use TRT always get elevated prolactin. You are not doing TRT but with T that high (technically above the upper limit of normal range) it is expected that prolactin will also rise some. Btw, serum estradiol is mostly a sign of how much estradiol the gonads are making, so having it that low is actually a great sign of gonadal health. Most of the total body estrogen comes from peripheral aromatization and is measurable by either estrone sulfate (E1S) or prolactin.

Thank you Georgi.

Should I indeed start Vitamin D to correct the deficiency?
Or is that blood test meaningless?
 

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Thank you Georgi.

Should I indeed start Vitamin D to correct the deficiency?
Or is that blood test meaningless?

The vitamin D blood test is pretty reliable. I think it is worth trying maybe 3,000 IU - 4,000 IU daily, but I would try it on its own to see it specific effects. Maybe stop the B vitamins and take the D for a week or two and then retest, and then maybe try both together.
 

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I find it hard to believe it was just b vitamins?

Any dietary changes? Lifestyle factors?
 

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Should I indeed start Vitamin D to correct the deficiency?
Or is that blood test meaningless?

Look at the topic I started and reactions on vitamin D being a hit or miss, but often times a miss.... especially if you’re already having a lot of calcium imo
 

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You took nothing but that B complex and doubled test? Thats pretty amazing given the fact that thorne b complex is quite mild since the dosages are on the low side. Maybe you should do a test with just vitamin D. Would be interesting to see how that alone effects T.
 

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I’ve doubled my T with nothing but a ketogenic diet... free T and shbg are needed guys. My own free T never ever budged at least naturally.
 
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B2 is listed as a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor. So, in theory, couldn't it raise T levels by inhibiting its conversion to downstream DHT? (Doesn't finasteride do the same?)

I just had this thought because literally a minute before seeing this thread, I wanted to look for single substances that RAISE 5-alpha-reductase (activity). That said, does anyone know if one of the B-vitamins can do this?
 

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B2 is listed as a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor. So, in theory, couldn't it raise T levels by inhibiting its conversion to downstream DHT? (Doesn't finasteride do the same?)

I just had this thought because literally a minute before seeing this thread, I wanted to look for single substances that RAISE 5-alpha-reductase (activity). That said, does anyone know if one of the B-vitamins can do this?

Niacinamide has been mentioned here to do this
 

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