The Fire Rises

[x-ray peat]

Nope. America is the only country whose politicians, as seen in this legislation, are eager to put their fellow countrymen in jail on behalf of Israel. Other countries who want similar legislation generated to benefit themselves will have to pay American politicians the requisite fees to them, as has done Israel.

There are no UN proposed boycotts of these countries. Should the UN make our foreign policy any more than they already do.

 

[Badger]

Those countries don't have an apartheided helot population (Palestinians) kept in a gigantic outdoor prison, with thousands of their children abused, tortured and raped in indoor jails. There's a reason for the UN proposed boycott, which you seem to be studiously avoiding admitting.

There are no UN proposed boycotts of these countries. Should the UN make our foreign policy any more than they already do.

 

[x-ray peat]

Those countries don't have an apartheided helot population (Palestinians) kept in a gigantic outdoor prison, with thousands of their children abused, tortured and raped in indoor jails. There's a reason for the UN proposed boycott, which you seem to be studiously avoiding admitting.

I think the situation over there is terrible but like Trump has said there is blame to go around on both sides. First to address any belief that Israel stole the land, the original owners were the Ottoman Empire not the Arabs. . When the Ottoman Empire was divided up after World War II, the Arabs got over 99% of the land and the Jews got only 1% even though they were 6% of the population. However even that small amount is too much for the Arabs to bear.

Like Kyle you are uncritically accepting the mainstream anti-Israel propaganda. Palestinian children are not being "abused, tortured and raped in indoor jails." As for real jails, Israeli jails are much more humane than anything we have in the United States. The TV show Lockup did a show on Israeli jails and you would be surprised at how well these convicted terrorists live. I guarantee the living conditions in Guantanamo or any other state pen are much much worse not to mention the horrors of most Arab jails.

Though Israel is not guiltless the people truly abusing the Palestinian children are the PA and Hamas. Beginning with Arafat and continuing today most of the development aid that is given to the Palestinians is stolen by their leaders and not used to develop their land. Instead of teaching their children something useful they indoctrinate them to hate all Jews and to work to become martyrs as soon as possible. The PA gives substantial salaries and bonuses to the families of those who commit terrorist acts in Israel. This doesn’t even cover the daily Rocket attacks from Gaza and the endless knife stabbings taking place in Israel. No country would be expected to tolerate this but Israel. If the Israeli Army is tough on the Palestinians it is because they have learned that they could be attacked at any time and they are probably very frustrated at their inability to protect their people.

 

[Kyle M]

Dude what are you smoking? Sure it's the rage on lefty college campuses to protest Israel, like it is to wear Che shirts and do other nothing things. I'm talking about television news, and televised political debates. It's not a coincidence that literally every candidate is pro Israel and has to say they support Israel, even Trump did. And go to that stupid wall and pretend to give af about it. That behavior doesn't happen with other nations.

How can you be so pro-Israel as to pretend like they don't have an extremely privileged spot in American foreign policy? Sure non-Jews outnumber Jews in campaign contributions, but they aren't ALL LOBBYING FOR THE SAME THING. Why does the news repeat over and over that Israel is our greatest ally? What am I getting from them?

 

[lvysaur]

Paul Joseph is right, there are two alt rights. One has an ideology, and is principled, even if I don't agree with them on all of it. The other is a fence sitting nothing group that monetizes people's suffering with supplements lines and everything they do and say is for the clicks.

How exactly is being a white nationalist principled? You can argue literally any position or action as "principled" by that definition.

 

[Kyle M]

How exactly is being a white nationalist principled? You can argue literally any position or action as "principled" by that definition.

It has principles that can be identified. If someone says what they believe this or that by sticking their finger in the wind, that is not an identifiable principle.

 

[lvysaur]

It has principles that can be identified. If someone says what they believe this or that by sticking their finger in the wind, that is not an identifiable principle.

Such as?

 

[Ledo]

Dude what are you smoking? Sure it's the rage on lefty college campuses to protest Israel, like it is to wear Che shirts and do other nothing things. I'm talking about television news, and televised political debates. It's not a coincidence that literally every candidate is pro Israel and has to say they support Israel, even Trump did. And go to that stupid wall and pretend to give af about it. That behavior doesn't happen with other nations.

How can you be so pro-Israel as to pretend like they don't have an extremely privileged spot in American foreign policy? Sure non-Jews outnumber Jews in campaign contributions, but they aren't ALL LOBBYING FOR THE SAME THING. Why does the news repeat over and over that Israel is our greatest ally? What am I getting from them?

It is all about the petrodollar. Strange bedfellows of Us, Israel, and Saudi Arabia prop up the deal. The Obama/ international left want the deal, want Israel cut out so they can own printing of the money via credit emission from central banks on down. Everything else follows from this.

 

[Kyle M]

Such as?

1) race is real 2) it is the foundation of identity 3) traditional lifestyles are better than homosexuality, feminism, etc.

It's very easy to understand what Richard Spencer's underlying belief structure is, but someone like Mike Cernovich, who knows? He just talks about winning, free speech, Western culture. He crafts his message to try and get more attention from an audience. The alt right maintains a consistent message in the hopes that an audience will find them.

Edit: I think you're confusing "principled" with "having good or positive principles"

 

[Kyle M]

It is all about the petrodollar. Strange bedfellows of Us, Israel, and Saudi Arabia prop up the deal. The Obama/ international left want the deal, want Israel cut out so they can own printing of the money via credit emission from central banks on down. Everything else follows from this.

Right, the petro-dollar thesis explains foreign policy decisions better than any other explanation of wanting to police the world or spread democracy. When it comes to central banks though, I don't see how the Jews can be cut out of that, how many years has it been since a non-Jew headed the federal reserve?

 

[x-ray peat]

It is all about the petrodollar. Strange bedfellows of Us, Israel, and Saudi Arabia prop up the deal. The Obama/ international left want the deal, want Israel cut out so they can own printing of the money via credit emission from central banks on down. Everything else follows from this.

Right, the petro-dollar thesis explains foreign policy decisions better than any other explanation of wanting to police the world or spread democracy. When it comes to central banks though, I don't see how the Jews can be cut out of that, how many years has it been since a non-Jew headed the federal reserve?

I have to disagree. Money is not the end goal. These people can print all the money they want. Money is a means to an end and the end goal is power, World government controlled through the UN but really run by an oligarchy of the elite families of the world. Most of these names you have never heard of but their rule goes back at least 1,000 years and possibly to the Caesars. The Rothschild's were their bankers for a while but were never in a true position of rule. Hiding behind the public face of a Jew is one of their oldest tricks. Grandmotherly Janet Yellin is not really running the Federal Reserve but is just one more puppet. If the Jews really controlled as much as you think they certainly wouldn't be so obvious about it.

 

[Ledo]

Right, the petro-dollar thesis explains foreign policy decisions better than any other explanation of wanting to police the world or spread democracy. When it comes to central banks though, I don't see how the Jews can be cut out of that, how many years has it been since a non-Jew headed the federal reserve?

Probably never They cornered the Bank of England in 1635ish and own it to this day. Depending on exactly the status of the Rothschild family , the west has always had them in control one way or another including the war of 1812, storming up the Potomac and burning Washington to the ground after jackson refused to renew charter of second federal reserve. The south got its comeuppance in the civil war though as it was cleared out of the way with the northern banks firmly in control of exactly who owned the dollar. Third chartered fed reserve kickoff 1913 and world war 1914 clearing the decks for full on money printing, destruction of sound money and above all war to keep all this going.

The communists want it and it looks like they have a formidable challenge. Woubeyldn't take much beyond upending the dollar before in the chaos they establish a new (world) currency

 

[x-ray peat]

Dude what are you smoking? Sure it's the rage on lefty college campuses to protest Israel, like it is to wear Che shirts and do other nothing things. I'm talking about television news, and televised political debates. It's not a coincidence that literally every candidate is pro Israel and has to say they support Israel, even Trump did. And go to that stupid wall and pretend to give af about it. That behavior doesn't happen with other nations.

How can you be so pro-Israel as to pretend like they don't have an extremely privileged spot in American foreign policy? Sure non-Jews outnumber Jews in campaign contributions, but they aren't ALL LOBBYING FOR THE SAME THING. Why does the news repeat over and over that Israel is our greatest ally? What am I getting from them?

You complain about cherry picking and straw-man arguments yet this seems to be one of your debate tactics as well.

 

[Badger]

Blame is on both sides in Israel, no question, but the very largest proportion of it goes to the Israelis, not the Palestinians.

Instead of arguing about whether Israel stole the land or if their jails are "humane" (which is the very first time I have heard such a thing, I guess you have not seen articles about torture of children by Israeli military), I'll quote parts of a long review, written by Justin Raimondo a few years back, of a book called "Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel," by Max Blmenthal, a Jewish writer:

"For years, the Israeli body politic has been moving rightward – i.e. toward militarism, ultra-nationalism, and religious fundamentalism – to such a degree that it seems unrecognizable to those of us who belong to the older generation. We remember – or think we remember – the Israel of Exodus, the brave little upstart that defied the odds and, surrounded by enemies on every side, made the desert bloom with the verdant fields of a liberal democracy. Goliath proves that liberal democracy is now, for all intents and purpose, defunct: indeed, it may have never existed in the first place. The book demonstrates this on every page with brutal real-life firsthand reporting. Starting off slowly, Blumenthal paints a portrait of a society living in a bubble, with the Israeli Ashkenazi aristocracy on top, the Mizrahi drone-workers charged with police work and other non-elite tasks near the bottom, and the Palestinian helots on the lowest rung, eking out a problematic existence with all the legal and economic factors pointing to their eventual expulsion from Israeli society. As the rightist wave engulfs what had been the dream of socialist Zionists to build an egalitarian society, and turns it into a bastion of religious nationalism and outright racism, Blumenthal moves through this society-in-transition with the unforgiving eye of a born documentarian, mercilessly exposing the hypocrisy, mendacity, and criminality of a country that is coming unhinged.

How else are we to explain the fact that, during the attack on Gaza, IDF soldiers killed an eight-year-old child, one Ibrahim Awajah, and used his corpse for target practice? This was no isolated incident: one by one we read the stories of disgusting atrocities carried out by the IDF – how they lobbed a shell into the living room of Izeldeen Abuelaish, a Harvard-trained fertility doctor and medical researcher who had helped many Israelis have children. The shell decapitated two of his daughters and "shredded" his other children "to pieces." As this was going on, Israelis sat on Parash Hill, near Sderot, which offers a clear view of the Gaza Strip, watching the slaughter and cheering as if it were the latest hit movie – spectators to their own moral degeneration."

"As Operation Cast Lead came to a horrific and bloody close, a poll taken by Daniel Bar-Tal, an eminent political psychologist, found that more than half of Israelis wouldn’t allow an Arab into their homes. A full 68 percent wouldn’t live in the same building as an Arab, while 63 percent said Arabs represented a dire security threat to the state of Israel. Forty percent said the government should deport them all or "encourage" them to leave. The backdrop to this was a rising tide within the political and clerical class of brazen racism. Israel’s Chief Rabbi, Ovadiah Yosef, screeched "It is forbidden to be merciful to the Arabs. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable!"

"When it was revealed that an Arab woman who had been arrested for belonging to the Palestine Liberation Organization was handcuffed while she gave birth to her child, Leibowitz took to calling the perpetrators – the government – "Judeo-Nazis." As the IDF overran the Occupied Territories, he wrote that the final phases of Israel’s moral and political degeneration would see the appearance of "concentration camps" – at which point "Israel would not deserve to exist, and it will not be worthwhile to preserve it."
The vast system of prisons and "administrative detention" camps set up by the Israelis to detain thousands of Palestinians held without charge – as well as the giant concentration camp being constructed to intern African refugees who have turned up seeking asylum – is well documented in Goliath.

Indeed, we follow Blumenthal as he takes us into the heart of this monster, and he tells the story of resisters and just plain ordinary people caught up in the maleficent wheels of an oppressive system. As both Palestinians and Israelis-with-a-conscience are arrested arbitrarily, held without charges, and abused , we hear their cries for help – and, sitting there, we want to help. What kind of a "liberal democracy" segregates its citizens according to their ethnic affiliation, with entire Palestinian towns – whose inhabitants are indeed citizens of Israel – walled off from "Israel proper" and forced into destitution and ruin by petty regulations forbidding commerce and building renovation? What kind of "democracy" has a police state apparatus fully mobilized to detect and crush even the slightest form of nonviolent dissent, responding to peaceful demonstrations with bullets and brutal repression? The knock on the door in the night – a feature of Nazi Germany, or any totalitarian system – is a regular occurrence in Goliath: activists, both Palestinian and Israeli, who are organizing for peaceful change are harassed, arrested, beaten, and attacked. The chilling conformity of Israeli society, where "patriotism" and militarism are the norm, is depicted here in disturbing detail.'"

"It is now illegal to advocate boycotting Israeli goods inside Israel, or to memorialize "the Nakba" – the 1948 expulsion of the Palestinians from their historic homeland. Mob attacks on Palestinians right in the center of Jerusalem are commonplace, along with vicious attacks – including the arson of an orphanage – on African refugees. This coarsening – brutalization, really – of Israeli society is something one imagines Leibowitz would have despised had he lived to see it. The mere fact that the Israelis routinely arrest and torture Palestinian children as young as eight should be enough to delegitimize the "Jewish state" in the eyes of the world – that is, if enough eyes see it. "

The interesting thing seen in this book is not just the Israeli government is vile and evil in the way they treat their Palestinian helots, but it's evident ordinary Jews have contracted into something vile and rotten and corrupt and degenerate in so many, many, many instances. Referring to this book reminds me of the photos I saw a few years ago of Israeli rabbinic students spitting on Christian clerics and priests in the streets of Jerusalem, for no particular reason.

No one with a minimal degree of conscience or moral awareness can possibly defend Israel, a country about the size of New Jersey, as being the victim, as against their Palestinian opposition, in the light of this book and much, much else by way of published evidence, unless they are deeply, willfully blind to the facts on the ground or a fanatic, whatever the flaws and wrongs of the Palestinians, which you seem to be acutely or shrilly aware of, while remaining barely aware of the cankerous and moral diseasedness of the Israelis, virtually excusing them because of the alleged and real flaws of the Palestinians.

Until the "only democracy in the Middle East" actually allows full citizenship to their Palestinian helots, who they hate so much, or allow them their own state, nobody with a heart or a brain can ever possibly support this little dirtball of a country. Since US politicians have neither hearts or brains, it's easy enough to buy them off, which the Israelis and their Jewish friends have done. If they don't change, Israel has no future, especially when the billions in handouts from the US cease, as it will.

I think the situation over there is terrible but like Trump has said there is blame to go around on both sides. First to address any belief that Israel stole the land, the original owners were the Ottoman Empire not the Arabs. . When the Ottoman Empire was divided up after World War II, the Arabs got over 99% of the land and the Jews got only 1% even though they were 6% of the population. However even that small amount is too much for the Arabs to bear.

Like Kyle you are uncritically accepting the mainstream anti-Israel propaganda. Palestinian children are not being "abused, tortured and raped in indoor jails." As for real jails, Israeli jails are much more humane than anything we have in the United States. The TV show Lockup did a show on Israeli jails and you would be surprised at how well these convicted terrorists live. I guarantee the living conditions in Guantanamo or any other state pen are much much worse not to mention the horrors of most Arab jails.

Though Israel is not guiltless the people truly abusing the Palestinian children are the PA and Hamas. Beginning with Arafat and continuing today most of the development aid that is given to the Palestinians is stolen by their leaders and not used to develop their land. Instead of teaching their children something useful they indoctrinate them to hate all Jews and to work to become martyrs as soon as possible. The PA gives substantial salaries and bonuses to the families of those who commit terrorist acts in Israel. This doesn’t even cover the daily Rocket attacks from Gaza and the endless knife stabbings taking place in Israel. No country would be expected to tolerate this but Israel. If the Israeli Army is tough on the Palestinians it is because they have learned that they could be attacked at any time and they are probably very frustrated at their inability to protect their people.

 

[Ledo]

I have to disagree. Money is not the end goal. These people can print all the money they want. Money is a means to an end and the end goal is power, World government controlled through the UN but really run by an oligarchy of the elite families of the world. Most of these names you have never heard of but their rule goes back at least 1,000 years and possibly to the Caesars. The Rothschild's were their bankers for a while but were never in a true position of rule. Hiding behind the public face of a Jew is one of their oldest tricks. Grandmotherly Janet Yellin is not really running the Federal Reserve but is just one more puppet. If the Jews really controlled as much as you think they certainly wouldn't be so obvious about it.

You just made my case X-ray agree with everything you said except as I layout above, the Communist left is trying to cut them out.

P.s. If you believe what you wrote which makes sense why do you think the Jesuits run the world? So they are behind the jews running them, oh yea

 

[x-ray peat]

You just made my case X-ray agree with everything you said except as I layout above, the Communist left is trying to cut them out

You should look into the works of Stanford History Professor Anthony Sutton. The Western elite actually funded Communism as well as Nazism. Both World War I and II as well as the Cold War were controlled wars. It is Hegelian Dialectics where if you control both the thesis and antithesis you determine the synthesis or the outcome of history. The future will be a synthesis of capitalism and Marxism. This is the Third way many US politicians used to push.

 

[Ledo]

You should look into the works of Standford History Professor Anthony Sutton. The Western elite actually funded Communism as well as Nazism. Both World War I and II as well as the Cold War were controlled wars. It is Hegelian Dialectics where if you control both the thesis and antithesis you determine the synthesis or the outcome of history. The future will be a synthesis of capitalism and Marxism. This is the Third way many US politicians used to push.

I agree and know this but I think you are making a mistake. I am a conservative but like liberals and leftist we are all owned but that doensn't mean that we always were or that there can't be a breakaway. The communist left has broken away to a large extent even dating back to stalin. Obama handing the billions to Iran proved that as well as the true despair and shock of Hillary and other prominent lefties losing the election to a jew backed Trump

 

[x-ray peat]

You just made my case X-ray agree with everything you said except as I layout above, the Communist left is trying to cut them out.

P.s. If you believe what you wrote which makes sense why do you think the Jesuits run the world? So they are behind the jews running them, oh yea

I dont think you are thinking of the same elite families I am talking about. Specifically I am talking about the Papal Bloodline families in combination with the historic ruling Nobility of Europe. The Jesuits are the military arm of the Vatican and serve the Papal families like the Orsini, Breakspear, Aldobrandini etc. The Jesuits were tasked with fighting the Protestant Reformation and bringing all the world under the control of the Papal Caesar. I believe that because I studied the history books from 100 years ago when this was common knowledge. Trump btw was Jesuit trained at Fordham University and is part of the team. There are no good sides anymore.

Google Jesuit New World Order if you wish to look into this.

 

[x-ray peat]

I agree and know this but I think you are making a mistake. I am a conservative but like liberals and leftist we are all owned but that doensn't mean that we always were or that there can't be a breakaway. The communist left has broken away to a large extent even dating back to stalin. Obama handing the billions to Iran proved that as well as the true despair and shock of Hillary and other prominent lefties losing the election to a jew backed Trump

Stalin was Jesuit trained as well. They control all sides.

“It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country – the United States of America – are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated MOST of the wars of Europe.” Marquis de LaFayette
FAMOUS QUOTES ABOUT THE JESUIT ORDER

 

[Kyle M]

I have to disagree. Money is not the end goal. These people can print all the money they want. Money is a means to an end and the end goal is power, World government controlled through the UN but really run by an oligarchy of the elite families of the world. Most of these names you have never heard of but their rule goes back at least 1,000 years and possibly to the Caesars. The Rothschild's were their bankers for a while but were never in a true position of rule. Hiding behind the public face of a Jew is one of their oldest tricks. Grandmotherly Janet Yellin is not really running the Federal Reserve but is just one more puppet. If the Jews really controlled as much as you think they certainly wouldn't be so obvious about it.

Printed money means nothing if there isn't demand for it. Controlling petroleum reserves, making the largest reserves tradable only in USD, provides that demand.