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Some Skeptical Thoughts On Meditation

Discussion in 'Meditation, Mindfullness, Religion, Spirituality' started by barefooter, Nov 3, 2016.

  1. amethyst

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    He's right on the money with a lot of things he's said.
     
  2. amethyst

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    Interesting take....nah, it's more annoyance ..getting ranty here.....it's like we can do better.... about the "smart" phones...they are not making people smart but dumb :bucktooth: I guess it's that you see people in public, restaurants,shopping and no one is communicating with one another, no one is talking but taking selfies all the time, everyone is zoned out........they are communicating, making love to, obsessing over that little rectangle they carry around with them 24/7 ..like the dangling carrot in front of the horse...an inanimate object :shock: ok, rant over
     
  3. PeatThemAll

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    Paraphrasing Cal Newport: People used to go to the casino to get their "fix". Now the casino has gone to them, in their pocket, available 24/7.

    The propensity has always been there. But now we've taken almost all of the stops/restraints/constraints out. Not a pleasant sight. And surely not healthy, short, medium, or long term.
     
  4. zelda_the_brain

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    That's also from all the PUFA causing brain fog, lol!

    Yeah it's scary no one's brain seems to be working.
     
  5. Janelle525

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    I don't have brain fog anymore quite the contrary I now have over thinking and anxiety! I think a sense of fogginess to dampen thoughts would be welcome over anxiety. But I'm learning meditation to let thoughts pass without holding on to them as my own. Thoughts can arise from feelings in our body as I have much experience with panic attacks, it can make you feel like you are in hell! But it is just the body in fight or flight. So allowing things to pass and having love for myself has helped me greatly overcome my issues. Also having someone to load off your feelings on to can be helpful I found. It has helped me express myself and in turn led to more self confidence in figuring out my own issues and not getting so in my head that I freak out about what I find!

    On another note what do you all think of tapping? I found it useful when my body was freaking out. It's like a guided meditation of affirmations that all is well. Maybe that is what religions do for people, they provide a sense of peace that even though we suffer, it will be okay. And being grateful for what you do have can get you out of despair.
     
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    As others have stated before, I don't personally agree that meditation can be replaced by any other kind of activity that requires a constant focus. On the contrary it seems to be a way to let go of thinking and stimuli.

    I've been to a few Yoga classes and we do a bit of meditation at the end, the instructor always advice to inhale to the count of 8 and exhale to the count of 16 according to the Yogi tradition for breathing. Wouldn't this be a way of retaining more CO2 that might be contributing to the beneficial effects of meditation? mental sharpness, sense of well being, etc?
     
  7. zelda_the_brain

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    Yes, it's a very good way to retain CO2. I sometimes do this breathing while driving home if I'm feeling stressed. This alone does wonders for my mood.
    There are different kinds of meditation. The kind I do is the kind where I try not to think at all. It's especially helpful for me as I can be very neurotic.
    I have noticed, though, that the better I FEEL the better my mental state is. The body affects the mind just as the mind affects the body. I never would have had to work so hard on my mental state had my health not plummeted so drastically.
     
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    Janelle, I've never heard of tapping. I'm going to look into it and get back to you. I have tried using positive affirmations and that has helped me, especially when I'm at work when it's harder to take time to really be calm.
     
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    Janelle, do you use positive affirmations when you do tapping? Some things I've read while looking into this have suggested using tapping to work through negative emotions which seems like a bad idea to me. I'm wary of psych techniques that focus on the negative, so if your using it to be positive I can see how that would be helpful. What I did when I used positive affirmations is I found some sayings, thoughts, and quotes that made me feel happy or calm and I typed them into my phone to look at when I was down or depressed. This helped me when I felt like I was already doing everything I could to help my physical health and was getting frustrated at still not feeling well, having to wait to heal, etc. When I'm depressed or anxious (for lack of better words) I can never think of things to be thankful for or happy about on my own. How did you go about this?
    I would be skeptical to try tapping myself as it seems like mostly placebo to me, but that's kind of the way I see most psychology. It has its place in making people feel better but still does not get to the root of the problem, whereas I see breathing and meditation as things that actually help to change your physiology. I could be wrong though. I thought yoga seemed new agey and fake until my physical therapist recommended it to me to help my scoliosis. It really cured my upper back pain until I didn't have the energy to keep up on it anymore.
    When it comes to being stuck in negative modes, though, anything that can help get you out of that is great. Does anyone else have experience with tapping or with using positive affirmations?
     
  10. Janelle525

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    I found this lady who cured her hashimotos and panic attacks with tapping and a emotional freedom technique using muscle testing called 'the emotion code'. I just read the book and started releasing emotions on myself. I have doubts but I have seen muscle testing work for ailments with my own eyes so I think there may be something to trapped emotions... I was able to ask my body when the emotion got trapped and many of them I found I knew before I even got a yes what the answer was. Like getting a trapped emotion of longing after I vacationed with my family and had to say goodbye. I had been doing very well in my life leading up to that vacation, then afterwards I felt lost and depressed, longing for something I couldn't have. Then I made decisions that were very damaging to my life. I am still in repair after those decisions a year later. So releasing them I hope to move forward. Here is that lady's website with the tapping video that helped me during panic attacks. http://www.harmony-restored.com/blog/2016/4/28/how-to-calm-anxiety-in-2-minutes
     
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    Are you referring to Dianectics?
     
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    I have learned some kynesiology before I decided to learn somatic experiencing.
    And I understand more of kynesiology through SE. It is in all case the release, the discharge, that is efficient. And it happens only when you focus on body sensations.
    But it is different to calm anxiety and to discharge, and recycle, the energy. In the 1st case it is useful but you have to do it again when anxiety shows up again. In the 2nd cas do not have anxiete youy anymore, because the activation will not reach the level you cannot handle it. It has to do with what we are able to handle, to sustain, to contain in our soul, in the container, the vehicle, whatever you call it. When it is too much, you cannot handle, and then the same thing isn't too much any more, so anxiety goes away.

    So, when you repeat and repeat some efficient exercise, pay attention to what happens at physical level when you calm down. This is more important tahn the going away of anxiety itself.
     
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