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Ray Peat Email Advice Depository Discussion/Comment Thread

Discussion in 'Email Advice' started by j., Jan 14, 2013.

  1. haidut

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    In normal circumstances DMSO does not convert to these proposed toxic chemicals they describe in the Wiki. It says that electric shocks and oxygen therapy are BOTH required to get DMSO to convert into the toxic chemical. And even then it is just a conjecture. Dimethyl sulfate was never found on her, the ER room where she was treated, or on any of the affected hospital staff. SUbsequet experiments failed to replicate the synthesis of dimethyl sulfate even in laboratory conditions with all precursors and catalysts present.
    "...However, the dimethyl sulfoxide theory has come under scrutiny in the scientific community for several reasons, the primary reason being that the proposed dimethyl sulfate generation could not be replicated in laboratory trials. Also, the symptoms displayed by the nursing staff members who fell ill while caring for Ramirez are not consistent with dimethyl sulfate exposure. Another reason the dimethyl sulfate theory is unlikely is that the odor observed by the staff was described as "ammoniacal", but dimethyl sulfate is described as having a faint odor reminiscent of that of onions."

    The most likely explanation is actually quite prosaic and something we have discussed here before. People with advanced cancer have elevated levels of ammonia in the body builds, breath and organs. See above quote for hospital staff describing the smell as ammonia. These patients also exude a number of toxic chemicals like cadaverine and putrescine.
    Universal Test For Cancer Progression/Stage

    Ammonia, cadaverine and putrescine can easily make a person sick on their own and I know of several medical staff who got nauseous and dizzy while caring for terminally ill patients. In some cases, the organs of advanced cancer patients start decomposing while they are still alive and that can also cause a person around them to feel quite sick.
    DMSO may have reacted with some of those chemicals or at least contributed to their increase absorption/bioavailability in a bystander who is inhaling contaminated air or touching body fluids containing a combination of DMSO and these toxic chemicals. But to blame DMSO as an actual cause for this incident is beyond irresponsible.
     
  2. Waynish

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    Due to the health of travel, not the safety of it, right? Planes are very safe it seems - but everyone gets sick and it isn't because they're in close quarters-like they are on a bus (where people don't get sick as often). I'm not with Peat on the time zone change either. If you travel from night and arrive in night, then you're supposed to sleep more. If you travel from day and arrive in day, then you get more light - which Peat shouldn't disagree with - and you can blackout curtain your room if you're too tired. The stresses of travel are probably in this order: 1) food 2) air quality (including air pressure) 3) static positioning of the body 4) timezone... 1&2 certainly changes places depending on one's physiology too.
     
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    So much for the 'food combining' theories, i.e. having proteins with carbs, etc. I always thought that was sort of extreme, and possibly just glossing over generalized digestion problems.
     
  4. haidut

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    Nope, not from the health of travel, even though that one is pretty abysmal too. The death rate of pilots is mostly from crashes.
     
  5. Westside PUFAs

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    I wonder if he knows about how some tribes tortured people for 3 days, among many other horrible things they did to each other long before any Spaniard came ashore. And what of Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, Mao Zedong and Rafael Trujillo? Why do they never get mentioned?
     
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    There was some context I wasn't aware of, I've added it to the post. Not sure on the washing, although I know soaking/rinsing regular oatmeal before cooking is common...
     
  8. raypeatclips

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    Oh yes just seen the context, that does make a difference. Context is important.
     
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    Was that 12 grams or 120 grams? I know 40-50 grams is standard for hyponatremia.
     
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    If you experience breathing or other issues from it overtime this might be a reason:
    Safety Of Long-term Use Of DMSO As A Solvent
     
  11. DaveFoster

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    120 grams of almost anything would be far more than a teaspoon full.
     
  12. raypeatclips

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    Interesting, thanks for the link, I'll keep an eye out. I've noticed no issues at all, I was just concerned the glutamate might cause issues I should be mindful of.
     
  13. burtlancast

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    Wait a minute.
    Let's think this thru.

    Systemic fluoride is a proven poison.
    How exactly does one proceed to apply fluoridated toothpaste to the enamel without it getting into contact with gums and saliva?

    Is there some magic involved here that Peat knows about and we don't?
     
  14. Blossom

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    In the US sometimes dentists apply fluoride directly to the teeth with a brush. Maybe that's what he is talking about?
     
  15. raypeatclips

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    Yeah I thought that. The way to apply fluoride to the teeth would be "very carefully."
     
  16. burtlancast

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    Why would anyone go the trouble (and risk) to apply topical fluoride to enamel when one cannot escape even if he tried the landslide of fluoride that has permeated the food supply ?

    Almost every sold tea nowadays is loaded with it.

    Isn't that by itself sufficient for the hardening of the enamel without actually needing to expose yourself to further poisoning?

    Is Peat even aware of the widespread fluoride permeation of the food supply?
     
  17. A. squamosa

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    how quickly does Ray Peat typically reply to email inquiries?
     
  18. Blossom

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    My experience has been within a few hours.
     
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