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Not sure how it would compare but I'm sure it will have a synergistic effect. Progesterone is a more potent anti-catabolic agent than testosterone and progesterone itself can also stimulate muscle protein synthesis. If progesterone happens to have an anti-androgenic feeling for something, they could rather use 6-keto P4, which has the same anti-catabolic effect to P4, but without the sedation and so on.
Tren is also a more potent AR agonist than T, so perhaps adding DHT to the mix will further mimic its effects.
Do you have a good training program and diet as well?My current protocole involves testosterone cream applied to the scrotum that brings my T to twice the upper limit of the range and DHT to four times the upper limit of the range.
My muscle growth is rather disappointing, I'm almost the same as when I don't apply the cream.
I'm hoping for the synergistic effect, and that the DHT produced from test scrotal application will be enough to counter the anti androgenic effect of P4 if they ever arise.
Will report after one week of use.
Do you have a good training program and diet as well?
WTF twice the upper limit of T and no difference on strength/muscle? That totally defies my knowledgeMy current protocole involves testosterone cream applied to the scrotum that brings my T to twice the upper limit of the range and DHT to four times the upper limit of the range.
My muscle growth is rather disappointing, I'm almost the same as when I don't apply the cream.
I'm hoping for the synergistic effect, and that the DHT produced from test scrotal application will be enough to counter the anti androgenic effect of P4 if they ever arise.
Will report after one week of use.
Androgen receptors determine how easily someone gains muscle, not androgen levels. He may just have insensitive receptors.WTF twice the upper limit of T and no difference on strength/muscle? That totally defies my knowledge
Also myostatin levels.Androgen receptors determine how easily someone gains muscle, not androgen levels. He may just have insensitive receptors.
Tried it a few times. Never noticed anything positive from it. Hard to say whether it did anything negative but it didn't feel androgenic either.
I tried it standalone as well as with DHEA and preg. It didn't seem to make a difference vs just taking DHEA and preg on their own.Did you use it alongside androgens?
I'm going to be using transdermal progesterone cream alongside my high testosterone dose and report.
Nice experiment. I’m tuning to see resultsDid you use it alongside androgens?
I'm going to be using transdermal progesterone cream alongside my high testosterone dose and report.
So... for someone who wants to help scalp hair, and not take finasteride, y'all saying applying on scrotum is bad because it's much more likely to lower test and DHT if applied there?
Interesting.............
The challenge with applying progesterone on the scalp is that it may have quite a short half-life, so you'd need to apply it daily to really get the benefits. Moreover, people with "male pattern baldness" typically have very bad blood flow in the scalp and oftentimes the progesterone may not even be able to penetrate the tissues well.
While progesterone was indeed used topically as a treatment for AGA until the 1980s, I don't think anybody argued that it was a sufficient therapy to bring about more than a marginal increase in hair count. Heck even finasteride gives a 10% increase in hair count, on average.
The truly successful (i.e. massive regrowth) cases are the transgenders who take 300-400mg P4 daily (rectally) along with spiro, cpa or some other progestin and the usual E2. That's a massive internal doses which I think has systemic effects resembling pregnancy.
This is far more advanced than the type of effect a little progest-e on the scalp can have.
Thanks for the reply.
I'm not interested to use on scalp... but would like to use on scrotum. To be honest I have been using on scrotum for a few weeks (10mg and started 20mg last night). NOW brand progesterone cream.
P4 rectally is actually brilliant, I have tried it. You feel extremely relaxed like nothing else.
But applying cream on balls is much easier... thoughts on that?
Thanks for the reply.
I'm not interested to use on scalp... but would like to use on scrotum. To be honest I have been using on scrotum for a few weeks (10mg and started 20mg last night). NOW brand progesterone cream.
P4 rectally is actually brilliant, I have tried it. You feel extremely relaxed like nothing else.
But applying cream on balls is much easier... thoughts on that?