Minocycline Antibiotic Log And Constipation Woes

[Birdie]

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Last time I checked my TSH was 1.02. That was after doing Peat for a few months. I had a test before Peat, I think, I just need to get the results to compare. No hurry on going to the hospital to get the results though. I know for sure I was hypo before starting Peat. My temps would be in the 96's and my pulse in the 50's. Only recently have my temp came up, my pulse is lagging behind though.

And you're still completely abstaining from thyroid supplementation
after your nightmare a while back?
I think I remember you saying a while ago
that you can't take even a little bit or you get the bad hyper symptoms--
racing heart, feeling terrible, etc...right?

Oh, I just noticed this and it's familiar. I got the rapid heart beat, breathlessness, and other symptoms when I was taking Cynoplus for several months. When I switched to another kind, I was able to tolerate it better. Just a thought that maybe if you got those symptoms, it might help to try a few different kinds of thyroid. Also, I do better when I take the thyroid in small doses with food. I used to be able to take it all at once in the morning on an empty stomach, but not now.
Good luck, Charlie. And thanks for reminding me to eat my carrot salad today.

 

[charlie]

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Thanks birdie. I am taking thiroyd and maybe might try taking thyroid-s and see if there is a difference, I had already thought about that so maybe I will try it. The thing is though, I was off of thiroyd for a couple weeks and was still getting the pounding heart. It would go away, then come back.

birdie, could you please eat a carrot salad for me!?!?!?!

 

[HDD]

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Could magnesium be a player in the different symptoms?

 

[charlie]

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I dont usually take magnesium, only started the last couple days to get rid of the constipation. Magnesium citrate always does the job when needed. And yes, I do feel like absolute crap right now. Its a powerful solution that has some drawbacks.

 

[narouz]

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Charlie-
Your TSH is higher than Peat likes.
He likes I think 0.4 or under.
Your pulse and temps reflect hypo.
Peat says constipation is caused by being hypo.

I think you've gotta focus on getting more thyroid.
Gradually, of course!

As Birdie so sagely pointed out,
and as is so widely reported about individual thyroid sup usage,
people do respond differently to different supplements.

I think you've got to try a different supplement.
I got Cynoplus without a prescription.
ARK sells that stuff which is non-prescription,
and I bought some of it--seems good and pure.
I just tried the Acella, which is reputed to be like the old Armour,
and I like it too.
There are options.
I think this should be your main focus--
getting a different supplement and ramping up gradually,
carefully recording temps and pulses.

Could be you were having a reaction to the specific sup you took.
Gotta rule that out.

It would seem you have separated the heart-pounding from the thyroid supps
in terms of cause and effect.
So maybe if you go gradually in increasing the dosage
you will be able to hang in there, weathering those heart-pounding episodes,
knowing that they are probably not related.

Did you have any of that heart-pounding before ever trying thyroid supplementation?

 

[chris]

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I got prescribed a weeks minocycline a year back after I thought I'd had a heart attack... lol. Wonder if I still have they lying around, although after Charlies story I'm not too sure. Glad your bowels have improved, I've been there and feel your pain.

 

[Ray-Z]

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I've thought about starting a thread called:
"Great Unsolved Peat Mysteries."
Your quandry about whether or not to use probiotics after antibiotics
mirrors my own when I took antibiotics,
and, generally, could be on that list.

I've long wanted to hear Peat illuminate that dark area for us.
He hasn't ever seemed to have met a bowel bacteria that he liked.
And he would seem to prefer a sterile gut--or as much so as possible.
But there is the fear of M. Difficile (or whatever that horrible bug is called).
And then there is the widespread view that a gut without "healthy bacteria"
is a constipated or otherwise unhealthy gut.

Narouz:

I'm also interested in this question. I doubt a few spoonfuls of yogurt or kefir, together with sugar (to limit the ill effects of lactic acid), would cause much damage, and I'm not sure you'd need more. But I'd prefer Ray Peat's thoughts to my speculation.

You may have meant C. Difficile rather than M. Difficile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._difficile

M. Difficile sounds like a rude Parisian cafe proprietor who insists on serving a baguette with your coffee, cheese, and chocolate.

 

[Ray-Z]

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Charlie:

Man, I am sorry to hear about your recent tribulations. I hope you feel better soon.

As the former undisputed heavyweight champion of constipation, I'd like to offer one heretical thought...

You have had problems with dairy in the past, and dairy can constipate some people (e.g. me, at least until recently). If all else fails and you're still getting constipated, it might be worth experimenting with temporarily cutting out dairy. :2cents

I am in no way condemning dairy as a food for people who tolerate it. I love dairy and hope eventually to return to my milk-chugging, cheese-munching ways. I just think people struggling with constipation should experiment...

 

[Combie]

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Just re: heart pounding and feeling terrible - i have noticed that my tolerance for strong brewed coffee has certainly diminished. I can only really drink instant now, and have been more drawn to tea. Its like my body is saying "we dont need all that caffeine now...lets just have a little bit!" It may well not be that, but if it is, Taurine is the antidote

 

[narouz]

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Charlie-

Just a general perspective on your Minocycline Marathon:

It is common knowledge that antibiotic use causes constipation in a lot of people..
So, really, though of course unpleasant, it was to be expected as a likely outcome.

If I had asked you, before your marathon,
to speculate about what you thought the results would've been,
you would have been unrealistic, I submit, to not include constipation as one very likely (temporary) outcome.
Looking at it the other way,
if you had speculated to me that you believed you would feel instantly wonderful
with no bad side effects--
there too I would've had to assess that you were speculating unrealistically.

I think a lot of where you're at now has to do with your expectations going in.
So don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Let's see what happens, how you feel, after you get past this temporary constipation
and other emotional disturbance.
To be a valid experiment you can't judge its success immediately.

Who knows--maybe the constipation points to the success of the antibiotics
in some way.
Maybe it was a Minocycline Massacre
and billions of dead enterobacteria are clogging up your exit port.
Maybe your stomach lining is in a period of temporary torpor
as it adapts to its more healthy balance of flora.

Could be a lot of things.
Ray-Z's take on milk echoes some of my own thoughts.
Peat has said people react very idiosyncratically to different milks
and that they should experiment to find which they tolerate.
So...I'd try another kind of milk; maybe a pasteurized or even ultra-pasteurized one.

But if I were you my main focus would be to try a different thyroid supplement.
Peat says, I think, that it is very hard if not impossible to get results--
unless you're ready to wait years--
without appropriate thyroid levels.
That's the way I've understood him.

 

[Combie]

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I'm convinced the right bugs in your colon is the key. Since my failed peas experiment, I've felt like a brick is in there. I think I've encouraged the wrong bacteria to flourish with the crazy carbohydrates peas contain. Gonna purge with macrogol, as that's all I have at min, and Grapefruit seed extract / augmentin. Followed by kefir grain/ chamomile enema. Will keep u posted

 

[narouz]

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Followed by kefir grain/ chamomile enema. Will keep u posted

Damn. That sounds exotic!

 

[narouz]

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You may have meant C. Difficile rather than M. Difficile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._difficile

M. Difficile sounds like a rude Parisian cafe proprietor who insists on serving a baguette with your coffee, cheese, and chocolate.

Yeah! I hate that guy!
Always trying to see if he can tempt you to consume his innocent looking baguette,
lousy with gluten and starch!

 

[Combie]

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Followed by kefir grain/ chamomile enema. Will keep u posted

Damn. That sounds exotic!

Yeah I'm gonna get a grass skirt and a piña colada to go with it!

 

[narouz]

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Followed by kefir grain/ chamomile enema. Will keep u posted

Damn. That sounds exotic!

Yeah I'm gonna get a grass skirt and a piña colada to go with it!

As you're performing the enema.
Photo or it doesn't count!

 

[charlie]

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My thread has went south, to the sh*tter.


I will answer some later, tired today.

 

[Combie]

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Followed by kefir grain/ chamomile enema. Will keep u posted

Damn. That sounds exotic!

Yeah I'm gonna get a grass skirt and a piña colada to go with it!

As you're performing the enema.
Photo or it doesn't count!

YouTube it??

 

[gretchen]

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I have bad constipation, like, didnt go for 7 days. Around the web people say its because gut flora is off. Just wrote Peat and he says hypo causes it. I dunno, I am lost, really. Trying to figure out if adding in good bacteria is the way to go or not.

Hmmm, that sounds bad. I hope the antibiotics help.

 

[Combie]

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I have bad constipation, like, didnt go for 7 days. Around the web people say its because gut flora is off. Just wrote Peat and he says hypo causes it. I dunno, I am lost, really. Trying to figure out if adding in good bacteria is the way to go or not.

Hmmm, that sounds bad. I hope the antibiotics help.

Let me be the guinea pig here Charlie. I've done worse things to myself.

3/4 pint OJ,
big pinch of bicarb to neutralise acid
topped up with hot water for nice warm drink
4 drops Grapefruit Seed Extract
1/2 tablet augmentin
Sachet of Macrogol

Down the hatch....no undoing this now..

 

[charlie]

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Clearing the ole passage ways I see. Stand back everyone!