Is It Possible To "improve" Your Sex Appeal And Face?

[lampofred]

I don’t know if this happened to you too but lots of people find me attractive including girls (lots of jealousy and sort of bullying at work like they are trying to get under your skin, but peating and taurine and sometimes lysine help me to keep calm and go through the days without too much stress).

Lots of men don't dare to approach me though. I almost cant have any new female friends, they see me as competition. People observed me a lot at work even in public transport like they are trying to find out whats about you and cant put their fingers on it.

I am still suffering from period pains cramping with more or less intensity so I am not completely there yet, and have some premenstrual acne but in terms of mood and energy and being more social and constantly pretty I am way better.

No competition or bullying, I think guys are more chill about these kinds of things than girls haha. But even though Peating has made me look better, personality wise I'm still as awkward as ever around girls and don't really approach too often, so maybe that's the real reason for the lack of jealousy...

Sometimes I notice people observing me too, maybe because I tend to walk around with a spaced out, not really smiling kind of look, but it could also be that if you're doing things to increase progesterone, you have a "glow" that people these days no longer have that used to exist in people in the past. Even the most attractive girls I see with amazing facial features look like ghosts compared to, for example, Jennifer Aniston in the 90s, probably from the constant estrogenic wifi irradiation counteracting progesterone. So high progesterone people in 2019 probably stand out.

Speaking of 90s Jennifer Aniston...

 

[baccheion]

I don’t know if this happened to you too but lots of people find me attractive including girls (lots of jealousy and sort of bullying at work like they are trying to get under your skin, but peating and taurine and sometimes lysine help me to keep calm and go through the days without too much stress).

Lots of men don't dare to approach me though. I almost cant have any new female friends, they see me as competition. People observed me a lot at work even in public transport like they are trying to find out whats about you and cant put their fingers on it.

I am still suffering from period pains cramping with more or less intensity so I am not completely there yet, and have some premenstrual acne but in terms of mood and energy and being more social and constantly pretty I am way better.

Where's the evidence?

No competition or bullying, I think guys are more chill about these kinds of things than girls haha. But even though Peating has made me look better, personality wise I'm still as awkward as ever around girls and don't really approach too often, so maybe that's the real reason for the lack of jealousy...

Sometimes I notice people observing me too, maybe because I tend to walk around with a spaced out, not really smiling kind of look, but it could also be that if you're doing things to increase progesterone, you have a "glow" that people these days no longer have that used to exist in people in the past. Even the most attractive girls I see with amazing facial features look like ghosts compared to, for example, Jennifer Aniston in the 90s, probably from the constant estrogenic wifi irradiation counteracting progesterone. So high progesterone people in 2019 probably stand out.

Speaking of 90s Jennifer Aniston...

Such "jealousy" isn't generally as common after high school and definitely after college, as someone's relationship is no one else's concern or interest. Fraternizing with others at a job isn't a good idea anyway, so who's to know?

Still being shy in that way (rather than unmotivated or uninterested) suggests androgens/testosterone/DHT is too low. Ever had labs run?

 

[Lolinaa]

No competition or bullying, I think guys are more chill about these kinds of things than girls haha. But even though Peating has made me look better, personality wise I'm still as awkward as ever around girls and don't really approach too often, so maybe that's the real reason for the lack of jealousy...

Sometimes I notice people observing me too, maybe because I tend to walk around with a spaced out, not really smiling kind of look, but it could also be that if you're doing things to increase progesterone, you have a "glow" that people these days no longer have that used to exist in people in the past. Even the most attractive girls I see with amazing facial features look like ghosts compared to, for example, Jennifer Aniston in the 90s, probably from the constant estrogenic wifi irradiation counteracting progesterone. So high progesterone people in 2019 probably stand out.

Speaking of 90s Jennifer Aniston...

Yes I agree, she was very pretty. Its true that when you look at pictures from before people tend to look more beautiful.
Yes I am very laid back too and reserved as I don't want trouble do I often take a coffee and go to my computer and work. I don't spend much time with coworker even for lunch, because I don't trust them.

 

[Lolinaa]

Where's the evidence?

Such "jealousy" isn't generally as common after high school

The evidence is that they try to set me up multiple times and it has backfired on them. People repeated it to my Manager

The Manager had to speak with them even so they could calm down. Otherwise with the male its ok, they are nice but distant. I think they are scared of rumours they fancy me. Men of other departments are a bit more agressive, trying to say hello or making me laugh. I cant say more as its internet here.
Trust me the teenagers bully most of the time transfer to adult bullies and I must say that I don't know how to fit in properly as well so I stick out a bit like a black sheep. Some people know how to flatter and make friends easily. Me if there is no chemistry I don't try but I treat everyone with respect and a smile.

You know the calmer you are the more some people think you are a pushover.

 

[baccheion]

The evidence is that they try to set me up multiple times and it has backfired on them. People repeated it to my Manager

The Manager had to speak with them even so they could calm down. Otherwise with the male its ok, they are nice but distant. I think they are scared of rumours they fancy me. Men of other departments are a bit more agressive, trying to say hello or making me laugh. I cant say more as its internet here.
Trust me the teenagers bully most of the time transfer to adult bullies and I must say that I don't know how to fit in properly as well so I stick out a bit like a black sheep. Some people know how to flatter and make friends easily. Me if there is no chemistry I don't try but I treat everyone with respect and a smile.

You know the calmer you are the more some people think you are a pushover.

I meant before/after pictures..

 

[RobertJM]

I’m a manager of a team of women (it’s like being fed to the lionesses), and what I have learned from them (the strange species that they are) is that women are box tickers. They are judging you on absolutely everything. ‘Oh he’s got this; he’s got that; he does this; he does that’. They judge you on every single minute detail. That includes whether you wash your hands after using the restroom. That includes whether you brush your teeth. That includes if you smell good (to them). It includes what car you drive. It includes how much money you’ve got (yes evolutionary speaking, women expect to be provided for), it includes what you look like (yes looks are just as important ; consider how obsessed with their own physical appearance most women are, so they expect of you too). It includes so many other things I could list.

Some women expect the entire universe (and then some), and like, yesterday (whilst you’re at it). Other women are more realistic and accept that, despite this ridiculous culture of expectations that we live in, not all men can live up to this ‘Mr Perfect’ role. The best way to keep a women interested is to keep her on the back foot. Don’t take any garbage from her, and she will (fore sure) play lots of games with you along the way (to see the range of reactions she can get from you). I’ve been called all sorts, but whenever I stand up to previous partners I immediately get called ‘aggressive’. Yet all I am doing is expressing a viewpoint which is different from hers in the context of a heated discussion (where we both disagree).
Not sure if any of you chaps here have had that also? Ive never once been called it from guys that I’ve disagreements with (and I’ve had plenty of those too).

 

[BigChad]

No competition or bullying, I think guys are more chill about these kinds of things than girls haha. But even though Peating has made me look better, personality wise I'm still as awkward as ever around girls and don't really approach too often, so maybe that's the real reason for the lack of jealousy...

Sometimes I notice people observing me too, maybe because I tend to walk around with a spaced out, not really smiling kind of look, but it could also be that if you're doing things to increase progesterone, you have a "glow" that people these days no longer have that used to exist in people in the past. Even the most attractive girls I see with amazing facial features look like ghosts compared to, for example, Jennifer Aniston in the 90s, probably from the constant estrogenic wifi irradiation counteracting progesterone. So high progesterone people in 2019 probably stand out.

Speaking of 90s Jennifer Aniston...

Wifi from phones and laptops is estrogenic? How do you avoid that.

I would think the environmental and dietary or medical estrogens are more relevant to high estrogen

 

[baccheion]

I’m a manager of a team of women (it’s like being fed to the lionesses), and what I have learned from them (the strange species that they are) is that women are box tickers. They are judging you on absolutely everything. ‘Oh he’s got this; he’s got that; he does this; he does that’. They judge you on every single minute detail. That includes whether you wash your hands after using the restroom. That includes whether you brush your teeth. That includes if you smell good (to them). It includes what car you drive. It includes how much money you’ve got (yes evolutionary speaking, women expect to be provided for), it includes what you look like (yes looks are just as important ; consider how obsessed with their own physical appearance most women are, so they expect of you too). It includes so many other things I could list.

Some women expect the entire universe (and then some), and like, yesterday (whilst you’re at it). Other women are more realistic and accept that, despite this ridiculous culture of expectations that we live in, not all men can live up to this ‘Mr Perfect’ role. The best way to keep a women interested is to keep her on the back foot. Don’t take any garbage from her, and she will (fore sure) play lots of games with you along the way (to see the range of reactions she can get from you). I’ve been called all sorts, but whenever I stand up to previous partners I immediately get called ‘aggressive’. Yet all I am doing is expressing a viewpoint which is different from hers in the context of a heated discussion (where we both disagree).
Not sure if any of you chaps here have had that also? Ive never once been called it from guys that I’ve disagreements with (and I’ve had plenty of those too).

Many women on dating sites are xNFx. That is, idealists seeking perfection. Years ago there'd be complaints on OkCupid if a match was 95% rather than 100%. And an ever present dissatisfaction, as matches only go up to 99%.

In the world at large, the most common personality types among women are ISFJ (~19.4%) and ESFJ (~16.9%). Two types account for more than 1/3rd of women. Adding the next three most common types, ESFP, ISFP, and ENFP, leaves 5 types capturing about 2/3rds of women.

Online, INFP and INFJ are most common.

xSFJ care about stability and security usually. Women judge the dumbest things (from the point of view of males), but it tends to be consistent. They also miraculously end up with garbage. Money (+ dominance/status) is to women what sex (+ aesthetics + compliance) is to men.

 

[lampofred]

Wifi from phones and laptops is estrogenic? How do you avoid that.

I would think the environmental and dietary or medical estrogens are more relevant to high estrogen

Not even from phones and laptops, the signals from the hotspots/routers that are ubiquitous in cities have very estrogenic effects. They induce calcification, oxidative stress, nitric oxide, Heat Shock Proteins, reduce GABA, raise serotonin, and cause pretty major biological stress. Methylene blue and everything Peat says helps a little but in general there's no way around it. Not to sound too dramatic but people in cities are basically getting fried 24/7.

 

[lampofred]

Where's the evidence?

Such "jealousy" isn't generally as common after high school and definitely after college, as someone's relationship is no one else's concern or interest. Fraternizing with others at a job isn't a good idea anyway, so who's to know?

Still being shy in that way (rather than unmotivated or uninterested) suggests androgens/testosterone/DHT is too low. Ever had labs run?

Yeah I do have pretty low T for my age. Most likely because of high serotonin/low GABA. The only thing Peat says for this situation is to supplement thyroid but I don't respond to thyroid because of low cholesterol, so I've been pretty stuck with low T for a while now.

 

[BigChad]

Yeah I do have pretty low T for my age. Most likely because of high serotonin/low GABA. The only thing Peat says for this situation is to supplement thyroid but I don't respond to thyroid because of low cholesterol, so I've been pretty stuck with low T for a while now.

do you know what caused your hypothyroidism?
isnt it due to a nutrient deficiency or pufa, too much iodine, mineral imbalance, so it should fix over time?

 

[MatheusPN]

Yeah I do have pretty low T for my age. Most likely because of high serotonin/low GABA. The only thing Peat says for this situation is to supplement thyroid but I don't respond to thyroid because of low cholesterol, so I've been pretty stuck with low T for a while now.

Did you try Pregnenolone, Progesterone and DHEA with DHT/ Androsterone or anything alike?
For low cholesterol, lots of sugar/ fruit, SFA or eggs didn't help you Lampofred?

If I have a great memory, Lampofred said something like: since he moved, the EMF deteriorate his health and now he is struggling with it; I actually noticed that earlier, when you did a comment involving gonads and progesterone
I was to PM you this day...

 

[YourUniverse]

high serotonin/low GABA

I feel like I have this, too...

 

[lampofred]

do you know what caused your hypothyroidism?
isnt it due to a nutrient deficiency or pufa, too much iodine, mineral imbalance, so it should fix over time?

grew up eating high PUFA and low protein (20 grams a day), plus was stupid as a teen and masturbated/watched porn, not realizing how depleting it is, and my parents also grew up with low protein intake and high PUFA intake. So the cause is just prolonged undernourishment combined with excess energy expenditure.

i'm in a much better state thyroid wise than i was a few years ago but i'm still not producing enough energy to get through my day-to-day activities without feeling stress/fatigue.

 

[BigChad]

grew up eating high PUFA and low protein (20 grams a day), plus was stupid as a teen and masturbated/watched porn, not realizing how depleting it is, and my parents also grew up with low protein intake and high PUFA intake. So the cause is just prolonged undernourishment combined with excess energy expenditure.

i'm in a much better state thyroid wise than i was a few years ago but i'm still not producing enough energy to get through my day-to-day activities without feeling stress/fatigue.

whats your diet and supplements like now?

 

[lampofred]

I feel like I have this, too...

I think a lot of people in western countries have it. In animals, it's a symptom of domestication. Low thyroid/high serotonin is analogous being too cerebral, not driven enough by instincts, as a result of inappropriate nutrition, inappropriate mental activities, inappropriate physical activities, etc..

 

[lampofred]

whats your diet and supplements like now?

Mostly OJ, potatoes, butter, whole milk, coffee for daily calories and nutrients. Oysters and eggs a couple of time a week for the zinc, trace minerals, cholesterol, etc. I don't eat liver because I react badly to the high copper. Pizza/lasagna/some calorie dense "junk" food that I know is made without vegetable oil about twice a week (but I still take vitamin E just in case).

Supplements are gelatin, aspirin, vitamin K, thyroid, and methylene blue. I used to take Vitamin D but I stopped because it was having no effect. Occasionally a few drops of progesterone if I'm feeling stressed.

One thing I can think of that might be hurting androgen production is that I only eat about 2000 calories a day. But that's the limit of my appetite and I force any more, I feel sluggish and bloated.

 

[lampofred]

You didn't tried Pregnenolone, Progesterone, DHEA with DHT/ Androsterone or anything alike?
For low cholesterol, lots of sugar/ fruit, SFA or eggs didn't help you Lampofred?

If I have a great memory, Lampofred said something like: since he moved, the EMF deteriorate his health and now he is struggling with it; I actually noticed that earlier, when you did a comment involving gonads and progesterone
I was to PM you this day...

Yeah moving to a high EMF area lowered my cholesterol. But even before that, my cholesterol wasn't optimal for androgen production. It was at 160 but RP says around 200 is good.

I get around 200 g of sucrose a day and eat only butter as my fat but that had no effect. One thing I haven't tried yet is upping my egg intake to 1-2 a day instead of just a couple a week, hadn't done that because I couldn't get low PUFA eggs.

Pregnenolone didn't do anything to increase my drive or reduce stress, it thickened my hair and gave me chubby cheeks, so I think it was having some feminizing effects but not androgenic... Prog is not androgenic (but it doesn't have any feminizing effects on me either), don't want to try DHEA because my stress hormones are high and thyroid is low so I think it will convert into estrogen, don't want to try androsterone because Peat doesn't seem to recommend steroids outside of Preg/Prog/DHEA.

@Endew , sorry I kind of hijacked your thread...

 

[MatheusPN]

Yeah moving to a high EMF area lowered my cholesterol. But even before that, my cholesterol wasn't optimal for androgen production. It was at 160 but RP says around 200 is good.

I get around 200 g of sucrose a day and eat only butter as my fat but that had no effect. One thing I haven't tried yet is upping my egg intake to 1-2 a day instead of just a couple a week, hadn't done that because I couldn't get low PUFA eggs.

Pregnenolone didn't do anything to increase my drive or reduce stress, it thickened my hair and gave me chubby cheeks, so I think it was having some feminizing effects but not androgenic... Prog is not androgenic (but it doesn't have any feminizing effects on me either), don't want to try DHEA because my stress hormones are high and thyroid is low so I think it will convert into estrogen, don't want to try androsterone because Peat doesn't seem to recommend steroids outside of Preg/Prog/DHEA.

@Endew , sorry I kind of hijacked your thread...

I will help you to hijack this thread a little more, hahaha
I don't know if you are confident in trying androsterone, but I expect that this will encourage you:Is It Possible To "improve" Your Sex Appeal And Face?
Androsterone is pro-GABA, anti-serotonin, anti-estrogenic, thyromimetic, prohormone for DHT, stimulates 5-AR and more!
Pregnenolone, progesterone and DHEA will synergize quite strong with Androsterone! Remarkable Synergistic Effect Of Androsterone With DHEA
Peat recommends something like: Combine any downstream hormone with Preg/Prog or DHEA

Aspirin, camphor, caffeine, tribullus etc. Also
You probably know all that, someone like Ray Peat, Amazoniaco, Hans or Georgi can help you better

@Endew all that intensify your copulation appeal

 

[BigChad]

Mostly OJ, potatoes, butter, whole milk, coffee for daily calories and nutrients. Oysters and eggs a couple of time a week for the zinc, trace minerals, cholesterol, etc. I don't eat liver because I react badly to the high copper. Pizza/lasagna/some calorie dense "junk" food that I know is made without vegetable oil about twice a week (but I still take vitamin E just in case).

Supplements are gelatin, aspirin, vitamin K, thyroid, and methylene blue. I used to take Vitamin D but I stopped because it was having no effect. Occasionally a few drops of progesterone if I'm feeling stressed.

One thing I can think of that might be hurting androgen production is that I only eat about 2000 calories a day. But that's the limit of my appetite and I force any more, I feel sluggish and bloated.

wouldnt your daily diet contain 0 iron and minimal copper/zinc? from my understanding you need a minimum of zinc, iron, copper etc for thyroid function.