Help Requested: How To Heal From Masturbation, Mentally And Physiologically

[Nebula]

Stressing out about anything causes metabolic damage.

True, but it’s clear you really can mess up your metabolism from ejaculating too much beyond your capacity to recover. It’s more likely to happen if you weren’t already in a good metabolic state, but it’s not just in their head. Well, it kind of is. It could be an overactive pituitary along with some micronutrient deficiency and androgen deficiency/insensitivity.

The testicles and brain aren’t invincible. They need rest and recovery just like every other tissue.

 

[boris]

Yes, this sounds plausible. I can imagine this being the case for someone with severe porn addiction, ejaculating multiple times a day for a prolonged period of time for example. Or nutritional deficiencies. Being deficient of nutrients after excessive ejaculation I can imagine that too.

But OP was beating him self up for "relapsing" after over 2 months of abstinence. I think in his case this might be the bigger problem.

 

[CDT]

How about finding a good girl and replacing the fap with a healthy satisfactory relationship? Never thought resolving it from that perspective?

Right, thanks for your insight man, but if it were that easy, I wouldn't be here wouldn't I In fact, I wouldn't have any health problems at all, I figure

 

[CDT]

CDT have you ever thought that what you are experiencing is purely psychological? Your text sounds like are stressing about this a lot.

I don‘t see anything scientific about this nofap movement, not to call it utter bull****.

It most likely is, but I attribute the psychological issues TO the effect of relapsing...

 

[CDT]

No it isn't. If you are already metabolically ****88 by eating a bad diet or lets say a vegetarian or vegan diet or keto diet or any diet that is inheritantly inadequate but touted as healthy by mainstream then everything you do will be "metabolically damaging" because you are basically a walking corpse with no vitality because you eat trash or incorrectly.

I have been meaning to ask, but how is a vegetarian diet deficient, and would you perhaps be able to provide sources for deficiency?

 

[boris]

Vegeterian should be good if you get enough protein (ca. 100g) from milk and cheese or potatoes. Zinc and copper I can see having to be supplemented. Or add oysters. Possibly vitamin A.

 

[redsun]

I have been meaning to ask, but how is a vegetarian diet deficient, and would you perhaps be able to provide sources for deficiency?

Even with dairy and eggs factored in, vegetarian diet is inheritantly poor in most minerals and some vitamins. Main reason is because of the poor bioavailability with the major factor is the antinutrients and fiber which can damage the gut and reduce absorption.

Very low to near nonexistent amount of bioavailable iron, copper, zinc. Amino acids in plants are of course harder to break down and absorb and you will absorb less protein that you see on paper. Certain B vitamins in plants are harder to utilize. B6 for example is way harder to get from plant foods. Even with a lot of milk and eggs, their B6 content is super low even though its more bioavailable because its an animal food and would not cover B6. Chris masterjohn explains this in this video starting at around the 3 minute mark:



These are just some examples but the main issue is we are not adapted to absorbing and utilizing nutrients from plant foods especially not minerals which naturally a vegetarian diet heavily relies on.

You can research about antinutrients, plant bioavailability and related items easily. Most of this info is more common knowledge nowadays.

 

[methylenewhite]

What exactly are they marketing? Chastity belts?

There are ebooks, videos, paperback books, consulting and merchandise.

 

[nwo2012]

There are ebooks, videos, paperback books, consulting and merchandise.

Maybe they are antisemitic, trying to cut into their porn industry profit?

 

[CDT]

Even with dairy and eggs factored in, vegetarian diet is inheritantly poor in most minerals and some vitamins. Main reason is because of the poor bioavailability with the major factor is the antinutrients and fiber which can damage the gut and reduce absorption.

Very low to near nonexistent amount of bioavailable iron, copper, zinc. Amino acids in plants are of course harder to break down and absorb and you will absorb less protein that you see on paper. Certain B vitamins in plants are harder to utilize. B6 for example is way harder to get from plant foods. Even with a lot of milk and eggs, their B6 content is super low even though its more bioavailable because its an animal food and would not cover B6. Chris masterjohn explains this in this video starting at around the 3 minute mark:



These are just some examples but the main issue is we are not adapted to absorbing and utilizing nutrients from plant foods especially not minerals which naturally a vegetarian diet heavily relies on.

You can research about antinutrients, plant bioavailability and related items easily. Most of this info is more common knowledge nowadays.

WIll definitely check out the link, thanks! Just for an on-the-spot suggestion, can multivitamins provide adequate compensation in the vegetarian and vegan diet?

 

[boris]

Multivitamins are often low quality and contaminated.

When Peat sees someone with a habitual cold or runny nose, he recommends them to stop their vitamin C supplement and the problem resolves almost always.

 

[redsun]

WIll definitely check out the link, thanks! Just for an on-the-spot suggestion, can multivitamins provide adequate compensation in the vegetarian and vegan diet?

The multivitamin will put more vitamins and minerals into your GI tract but whether you'll get significantly more absorption, significant enough to improve health, likely not. Likely absorb some Bs, but again all these have to be activated which isnt that simple as is the case with B6. I dont think I ever heard of anyone achieve better health from them and studies have not really been favorable for multivitamins.

 

[Gone Peating]

Masturbation was something I struggled passively with, I just accepted that I needed to masturbate about once or twice a week even tho it definitely made me feel worse.

I was lucky to have a conversation with a spiritually knowledgable friend of mine about how damaging the passions are, and how we can become enslaved by them - it completely changed how I viewed the act (also bc just the day before I had masturbated and felt especially awful from it for some reason that day).

He completely convinced me that change was the only way forward and it's only through God's grace I've been able to go over 3 months now without masturbating, whereas the longest I had ever been before (and I really tried hard before!) was three weeks.

Unfortunately though I still get some nocturnal emissions

 

[yoshiesque]

its absurd to go 72 days without it then giving in, and hating yourself. you are not a robot. you are human. humans can never do anything with perfections. mistakes are a natural part of life.

you are better off masturbating 2-3x a month than stop for 72 days straight, then hate yourself for breaking a cycle. then you go onto assume that 72 days or hard work (whether it be gaining hairs etc) is all lost. As though masturbation, even once, has some deadly consequences.

There is a reason for why monks dont masturbate (assuming they dont)...they are stuck in the woods somewhere, no temptation. You dont see many monks on their zen status in clubs do you? But we are not monks. we are going to fall to temptations, thats fine. Just dont let it take over you. Taking over you means several times a day/week. Dont for that extreme to the next, which is 72 days of nothing. I dont believe in that at all.

I respect those who go 72 days straight, fail once, then keep going with the no fap without hating themselves.

 

[boris]

 

[lampofred]

I think not masturbating is a good thing in general but I don't think it would work as a primary tool to recover hair. Both hair loss and a desire to masturbate are caused by high nitric oxide, so I think it would be more effective to focus on reducing nitric oxide than to take the brute force approach of not masturbating at any cost, which can cause stress hormones to rise sky high. Focus on nipping the stress hormones in the bud instead so that not masturbating becomes effortless and your libido becomes more focused and controlled but not hypersexual.

Nitrix oxide is mainly produced as a result of low body temperature and endotoxin. Coffee, aspirin, niacinamide, bag breathing, thyroid, progesterone, saturated fat, sucrose, animal protein, high purine foods like liver (but beef liver is very high in copper which can cause problems), probably nicotine also all lower nitric oxide. Methylene blue powerfully lowers nitric oxide.

 

[yoshiesque]

Also @CBT:

How frequent was your masturbation on average? eg per day/per week? we talking everyday here?

 

[CDT]

Also @CBT:

How frequent was your masturbation on average? eg per day/per week? we talking everyday here?

like, a few times a year prior to this episode.

 

[Kunstruct]

There is also the approach where one masturbates without ejaculation, meaning you chose not to ejaculate.

 

[yoshiesque]

like, a few times a year prior to this episode.

A few times a year is nothing. Given there are people out there indulging on porn daily.