Cultural Marxism, Reds Against (W) Freedom

[NathanK]

Some right-wingers talk about and are against the forged and incongruent, "Cultural Marxism" classification. Funnily it's the same forged argument made by Nazis. Coincidentally the right who is into it is practically for the same reason as Nazis.

If there is irony, it's because it was Hitler who kicked out the Frankfurt School scholars and by 1933 had fled to America to eventually be enlisted into American higher institutions and the OSS/CIA. The same people who influence the Wiemar Republic, influenced America's change since the 1950s

As an aside, i think it was Hitler that called capitalism and communism two sides of the same coin. Fascism being his middle ground

Neoliberal Finance Capitalism backstopped by the FED's keyboard

Why put capitalism in there though? "Neoliberal Finance backstopped by the FED's keyboard" works just as well.

I would agree that the use of "capitalism" in this is no longer correct. The key feature of capitalism is price discovery, which has all been lost and forfeited to the central banks and government

How would you define fascism? People use it in so arbitrary ways these days.

Here's some videos because few actually know that answer:

 

[NathanK]

You're misrepresenting communism pathetically!
"It is only by the abolition of the State, by the conquest of perfect liberty by the individual, by free agreement, association, and absolute free federation that we can reach Communism — the possession in common of our social inheritance, and the production in common of all riches." -Piotr Kropotkin

Fantasy. Just because someone random wrote it doesn't make it true, possible, or even ideal.

Nice! :)
About the principal part of the "Cultural Marxists": Culture industry - Wikipedia
"If the worker and his boss enjoy the same television program and visit the same resort places, if the typist is as attractively made up as the daughter of her employer, if the Negro owns a Cadillac, if they all read the same newspaper, then this assimilation indicates not the disappearance of classes, but the extent to which the needs and satisfactions that serve the preservation of the Establishment are shared by the underlying population. -Marcuse

Also take a look at the F (Fascist) scale by Marcuse. Quotes about Culture by Adorno/ Marcuse are also great to understand "Cultural Marxists".

About Nazi-Cultural Marxist connection, take a look at Cultural Bolshevism, "Cultural Marxism" Conspiracy, the FBI-Trotsky-Fascist connection against communism.
Or,
A summary about it, start to read after the third paragraph if you want to be quicker: (BTW I have some reservations against some claims in it)
How Anti-Leftism Has Made Jordan Peterson a Mark for Fascist Propaganda
"According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the right-wing theory of cultural Marxism holds that the Jewish, Marxist philosophers of the 1930s Frankfurt School hatched a conspiracy to corrupt American values by promoting sexual liberation and anti-racism. Far-right ideologues like William Lind and Holocaust-denier Kevin MacDonald argue that cultural Marxism is at the root of political correctness."

Critical theory is about criticizing everything about the structure of society. Even Horkheimer said that it is only meant to destruct and has no constructive value. Destruction of state is it's value. The term "political correctness" is a literally a term created by Mao Zedong in his oppressive communist state to keep people in line.

Like much of the social sciences, all of these guys just fabricate from their manic depressive armchair fantasies based on their own self-centered view of the world. Marcuse spent his life trying to engineer a society against authoritarian fascism that created the holocaust. End of story. He hated nationalism and wanted to destroy western society and values entirely, yet was a strong protagonist of Zion. Rules for me, not for thee!

It didn't matter that the US saved Jewish people from the Nazis because he said that the US hadn't done enough prior to 1940.

Oh more "real communism has never been tried" pabulum

I am anti-authoritian which is why i loathe commies. Free helicopter rides is all they deserve. Before another few million people are needlessly killed in the next iteration.

yep

I think it is a fair point that the communism that was implemented in Russia and China wasn't the Communism that its originators envisioned.

Maybe in the future an AI will adjudicate among humans for the fairest distributive outcomes. Until then the survival of the fittest competitive model looks like it will predominate.

They tried communism everywhere in every habitable continent (and all over Europe) in every form. It failed and it does not scale.

AI will create a serf state.

Yeah, those libtards again uniting with fascis? Ppl from university campus really hated later the likes of Adorno. Fascists killed some ppl from the Frankfurt School...
Horkheimer died 3 years later, then Marcuse. Wow, the 3 we're talking about!

Marcuse died like in the late 1970s from heart disease

 

[meatbag]

Many in the Western Ruling class are still vested in Eugenics, and the history of it being supported is well documented;
"Arguably most troubling of all is the direct link of the vaccine’s lead developers to the Wellcome Trust and, in the case of Adrian Hill, the Galton Institute, two groups with longstanding ties to the UK eugenics movement. The latter organization, named for the “father of eugenics” Francis Galton, is the renamed UK Eugenics Society, a group notorious for over a century for its promotion of racist pseudoscience and efforts to “improve racial stock” by reducing the population of those deemed inferior.

The ties of Adrian Hill to the Galton Institute should raise obvious concerns given the push to make the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine he developed with Gilbert the vaccine of choice for the developing world, particularly countries in Latin America, South and Southeast Asia, and Africa, the very areas where the Galton Institute’s past members have called for reducing population growth.

In the final installment of this series on Operation Warp Speed, the US government’s vaccination effort and race, the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine’s ties to eugenics-linked institutions, the secretive role of Vaccitech, and the myth of the vaccine’s sale being “nonprofit” and altruistically motivated are explored in detail."
Developers of Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine Tied to UK Eugenics Movement

"With the World Economic Forum now a prominent advocate for nuclear non-proliferation and “clean” nuclear energy, Klaus Schwab’s past makes him a poor spokesperson for his professed agenda for the present and the future. Yet, digging even deeper into his activities, it becomes clear that Schwab’s real role has long been to “shape global, regional and industry agendas” of the present in order to ensure the continuity of larger, much older agendas that came into disrepute after World War II, not just nuclear technology, but also eugenics-influenced population control policies."

"The Club of Rome was long controversial for its obsession with reducing the global population and many of its earlier policies, which critics described as influenced by eugenics and neo-Malthusian. However, in the Club’s infamous 1991 Book, The First Global Revolution, it was argued that such policies could gain popular support if the masses were able to link them with an existential fight against a common enemy."

"In the case of Klaus Schwab himself, it appears that he has helped to launder relics of the Nazi era, i.e. its nuclear ambitions and its population control ambitions, so as to ensure the continuity of a deeper agenda. While serving in a leadership capacity at Sulzer Escher Wyss, the company sought to aid the nuclear ambitions of the South African regime, then the most Nazi adjacent government in the world, preserving Escher Wyss’ own Nazi era legacy. Then, through the World Economic Forum, Schwab has helped to rehabilitate eugenics-influenced population control policies during the post-World War II era, a time when the revelations of Nazi atrocities quickly brought the pseudo-science into great disrepute. Is there any reason to believe that Klaus Schwab, as he exists today, has changed in anyway? Or is he still the public face of a decades-long effort to ensure the survival of a very old agenda?"
Schwab Family Values

"Lander’s relationship with Watson goes back to Lander’s extensive work as part of the Human Genome Project, a project in which Watson was also intimately involved. Though the Human Genome Project is normally credited to three scientists that “independently” all had the same idea in 1990, the original call for the Human Genome Project was first published in 1986 by geneticist Walter Bodmer. Bodmer joined the Eugenics Society, today called the Galton Institute, as a young man back in the 1960s and soon after went to work with Stanford biologist/geneticist Joshua Lederberg. Lederberg was a key scientific adviser to US presidents and the US military during the course of his decades-long career. Bodmer then served as the Eugenics Society/Galton Institute president from 2008 to 2014. One of the organization’s current officers, David J. Galton, wrote that the Human Genome Project that Bodmer originally proposed had “enormously increased . . . the scope for eugenics . . . because of the development of a very powerful technology for the manipulation of DNA.”

"The Whitehead Institute was cofounded by David Baltimore, who served as its founding director and went on to become president of Rockefeller University. Baltimore is currently on Lander’s Broad Institute. As an aside, Joshua Lederberg is another past president of Rockefeller University, and Jeffrey Epstein had previously served on the university’s board after being personally appointed by David Rockefeller. The Rockefeller family’s ties to eugenics are discussed at length in this documentary, and Epstein’s obsession with eugenics has been detailed in several reports since his 2019 arrest and “suicide.” "
Biden’s Nominee For New Cabinet-Level Science Position Is Epstein-Linked Geneticist

Huxley invented the term “transhumanism” just before he became President of the British Eugenics Society, 1959-62. Huxley was also the first Director General of UNESCO.
Jack Dorsey, the CIA and Twitter Censorship in the Age of Covid-19

"Part 2 of this series will discuss how Palantir, a company currently helping DHS and law enforcement violently target African Americans and Latinos, will be in charge of allocating “tailored” COVID-19 vaccines to those same minorities as well as Palantir’s origins and its executives’ views on race. Part 3 will explore the direct ties between a COVID-19 vaccine front-runner and the Eugenics Society, which was re-named the Galton Institute in 1989."
The Johns Hopkins, CDC Plan to Mask Medical Experimentation on Minorities as “Racial Justice”

 

[meatbag]

The Iron Fist Behind The Invisible Hand
Corporate Capitalism As a State-Guaranteed System of Privilege​

The Iron Fist Behind The Invisible Hand

 

[meatbag]

Racial Discrimination Increases When Resources Are Scarce

Imagination Is Crucial For Altruism

 

[NathanK]

The Federal Reserve Act was signed into law by Woody Wilson two days before Christmas in 1913, it was said to provide scientific management of the economy.

Scientific management of the economy...sounds very "Top Down Centrally Planned". Not true capitalism in my eyes, which is based on free markets as a price discovery mechanism. Beautiful in it's elegance and simplicity, when not hijacked for nefarious purposes.

Of course, once that was done, the money printing and wealth redistribution etc began.

The banks had to wait until Roosevelt outlawed gold in 1933 before they could completely own America. Woodrow Wilson was possibly the worst career politician we ever had as a president

I only ask about reading "The Doctrine of Fascism" because I think if one supports perceivedy morally just genocides that one should read the works of those he wishes to eradicate, so as to be slightly more able to identify them. 99% of people who use the term "fascist/fascism" have an idiosyncratic self definition of the term. Terminology and nomenclature seems to be always vague and idiosyncratically understood, whether from you or the people on this forum who are diametrically opposed to your positions.

genocides are more a feature of communism than fascism. Genocide has been repeated all over the world in the name of communism's since it's inception. Including China tody. Nazi's just made genocide famous

Sorry but I can't understand much of what you write. Intentionally obfuscated? I scanned this thread and it seems worthless. Mathias has everyone swinging at ghosts because I don't think his idea salad is edible.

If you can't understand what a cultural marxist is saying then you know you over the target. I've tried listening to Marcuse lecture and it was full word salad used to make people sound like they are smart or profound.

 

[NathanK]

Many in the Western Ruling class are still vested in Eugenics, and the history of it being supported is well documented;
"Arguably most troubling of all is the direct link of the vaccine’s lead developers to the Wellcome Trust and, in the case of Adrian Hill, the Galton Institute, two groups with longstanding ties to the UK eugenics movement. The latter organization, named for the “father of eugenics” Francis Galton, is the renamed UK Eugenics Society, a group notorious for over a century for its promotion of racist pseudoscience and efforts to “improve racial stock” by reducing the population of those deemed inferior.

The ties of Adrian Hill to the Galton Institute should raise obvious concerns given the push to make the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine he developed with Gilbert the vaccine of choice for the developing world, particularly countries in Latin America, South and Southeast Asia, and Africa, the very areas where the Galton Institute’s past members have called for reducing population growth.

In the final installment of this series on Operation Warp Speed, the US government’s vaccination effort and race, the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine’s ties to eugenics-linked institutions, the secretive role of Vaccitech, and the myth of the vaccine’s sale being “nonprofit” and altruistically motivated are explored in detail."
Developers of Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine Tied to UK Eugenics Movement

"With the World Economic Forum now a prominent advocate for nuclear non-proliferation and “clean” nuclear energy, Klaus Schwab’s past makes him a poor spokesperson for his professed agenda for the present and the future. Yet, digging even deeper into his activities, it becomes clear that Schwab’s real role has long been to “shape global, regional and industry agendas” of the present in order to ensure the continuity of larger, much older agendas that came into disrepute after World War II, not just nuclear technology, but also eugenics-influenced population control policies."

"The Club of Rome was long controversial for its obsession with reducing the global population and many of its earlier policies, which critics described as influenced by eugenics and neo-Malthusian. However, in the Club’s infamous 1991 Book, The First Global Revolution, it was argued that such policies could gain popular support if the masses were able to link them with an existential fight against a common enemy."

"In the case of Klaus Schwab himself, it appears that he has helped to launder relics of the Nazi era, i.e. its nuclear ambitions and its population control ambitions, so as to ensure the continuity of a deeper agenda. While serving in a leadership capacity at Sulzer Escher Wyss, the company sought to aid the nuclear ambitions of the South African regime, then the most Nazi adjacent government in the world, preserving Escher Wyss’ own Nazi era legacy. Then, through the World Economic Forum, Schwab has helped to rehabilitate eugenics-influenced population control policies during the post-World War II era, a time when the revelations of Nazi atrocities quickly brought the pseudo-science into great disrepute. Is there any reason to believe that Klaus Schwab, as he exists today, has changed in anyway? Or is he still the public face of a decades-long effort to ensure the survival of a very old agenda?"
Schwab Family Values

"Lander’s relationship with Watson goes back to Lander’s extensive work as part of the Human Genome Project, a project in which Watson was also intimately involved. Though the Human Genome Project is normally credited to three scientists that “independently” all had the same idea in 1990, the original call for the Human Genome Project was first published in 1986 by geneticist Walter Bodmer. Bodmer joined the Eugenics Society, today called the Galton Institute, as a young man back in the 1960s and soon after went to work with Stanford biologist/geneticist Joshua Lederberg. Lederberg was a key scientific adviser to US presidents and the US military during the course of his decades-long career. Bodmer then served as the Eugenics Society/Galton Institute president from 2008 to 2014. One of the organization’s current officers, David J. Galton, wrote that the Human Genome Project that Bodmer originally proposed had “enormously increased . . . the scope for eugenics . . . because of the development of a very powerful technology for the manipulation of DNA.”

"The Whitehead Institute was cofounded by David Baltimore, who served as its founding director and went on to become president of Rockefeller University. Baltimore is currently on Lander’s Broad Institute. As an aside, Joshua Lederberg is another past president of Rockefeller University, and Jeffrey Epstein had previously served on the university’s board after being personally appointed by David Rockefeller. The Rockefeller family’s ties to eugenics are discussed at length in this documentary, and Epstein’s obsession with eugenics has been detailed in several reports since his 2019 arrest and “suicide.” "
Biden’s Nominee For New Cabinet-Level Science Position Is Epstein-Linked Geneticist

Huxley invented the term “transhumanism” just before he became President of the British Eugenics Society, 1959-62. Huxley was also the first Director General of UNESCO.
Jack Dorsey, the CIA and Twitter Censorship in the Age of Covid-19

"Part 2 of this series will discuss how Palantir, a company currently helping DHS and law enforcement violently target African Americans and Latinos, will be in charge of allocating “tailored” COVID-19 vaccines to those same minorities as well as Palantir’s origins and its executives’ views on race. Part 3 will explore the direct ties between a COVID-19 vaccine front-runner and the Eugenics Society, which was re-named the Galton Institute in 1989."
The Johns Hopkins, CDC Plan to Mask Medical Experimentation on Minorities as “Racial Justice”

Nazi's did not hold domain over eugenics. It's been repeated around the globe. Schwab is not a Nazi. He is more than happy to kill off people of all races.

Regardless, Schwab, race, eugenics, vaccines, and your links have little to nothing to do with this thread and only serve to derail it.

 

[meatbag]

Nazi's did not hold domain over eugenics. It's been repeated around the globe. Schwab is not a Nazi. He is more than happy to kill off people of all races.

Regardless, Schwab, race, eugenics, vaccines, and your links have little to nothing to do with this thread and only serve to derail it.

It was in response to post #41 in this thread, which was posted by the thread starter.

Yeah it looked like eugenics had been endorsed a lot in the US and the UK historically and still to this day

"Eugenic goals are most likely to be attained under a name other than eugenics." — Frederick Osborn (Co-founder of the American Eugenics Society that was later renamed “Society for the Study of Social Biology") 1968
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The Rockefeller funded Tavistock Institute found that setting groups (e.g., gender, ethnicity, skin color, sexual orientation, religion, region) into competition under austerity induced self-brainwashing, the creation of perverse pseudo-families, and outright clinical psychosis.
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"In brief, American companies associated with the Morgan-Rockefeller international investment bankers... were intimately related to the growth of Nazi industry..." Wall Street & The Rise of Hitler by Antony Sutton (1976)

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Francis Galton's 3 Stages of Eugenics (1909): "1) Eugenics must be made a familiar academic question... and accepted as fact... 2) ...[practical eugenic policy] deserves serious considerations... 3) ...it must be introduced into the national consciousness as a new religion."

 

[Pistachio]

Some right-wingers talk about and are against the forged and incongruent, "Cultural Marxism" classification. Funnily it's the same forged argument made by Nazis. Coincidentally the right who is into it is practically for the same reason as Nazis.

Correlation is not necessarily causation.

The majority of "Cultural Marxists", hate/ opposes most things associated with "Cultural Marxism", Marxists and alike also strongly oppose it.
It's extremely illogical how they can put liberal ideologies and Marxist ideologies in the same basket. This demonstrates how they misrepresent things like the Frankfurt School so badly.

Unlikely. And it would be difficult for your to prove this. Furthermore, what has been misrepresented about the Frankfurt School?

In a world controlled by Capitalists, controlled by right-wingers and the media controlled by the likes of Bill Gates, they put the fault into some ridiculous conspiracy. And funnily enough precisely who is benefiting from "it" are the rich capitalists, who continuously uses things like identity politics and political correctness, to make profit, to divide and conquer and to create a repressive culture. Something that the majority of the Frankfurt School and all of the Marxists are against, despise it and alerted against it.

The world is controlled by bankers, not capitalists, who use whatever system brings them profit/geopolitical outcomes. For example, bankers financed the communist revolution in Russia (Warburg, Schiff, etc.). Free market capitalists are often victims of the bankers. Look at how the middle class (free market capitalists) are suffering under the hammer of the banksters today. Marxists are not against division but are for it (class, race, gender struggle), so you are way off on that one.

 

[Pistachio]

Another ridiculous repetitive misconception forged against communism, so:
Lets differentiate capitalism from most of the socialism philosophy: Private property, Capitalism from personal/ possession property
The capitalist is for the monopolies like Standard Oil, to establish wage slavery while the other is for you, your car, your home and your small business.

Yep, the millions of deaths of Nazis. And you're right, communities with 200 ppl, become masochists and starved themselves like Native Americans while being capable of destroying Nazi Germany. e.e

And you should study if you want to know the non-revolutionary/ non-oppressive rebellions against capitalism, which additionally continue to be successful!

Millions of deaths by the Nazis? You actually believe the 6-million figure? The Nazis were socialists, not fascists. Learn the difference. You have more in common with the Nazis than us Right wingers.

What abotu the 60 million killed by Reds? Oh, that was some how justified?

Communists can never make a good case for their system without resorting to bringing up the Nazis or the "evil bourgeousie". In other words, it's reactionary. It's not something that any normal person gravitates towards, because they sense its inherent evil.

 

[Pistachio]

So capital will become illogical therefore useless. The State will be dissolved. And Bill Gates will lose all his power. We will finally be able to have a direct democracy with free association and dissent, dissociation. Utopia will become a reality long ahead of every schedule! Nice!
Even cooler to see we banding together to hijack the thread! Cooperation my comrade
Its unlikely that Michael94 is a red communist.

Edit: Its capital not money, my mistake. Strange..

How old are you?

If you think the "Western" globalists are not in cahoots with Eastern communism, you will have another thing coming to you very soon.

 

[NathanK]

It was in response to post #41 in this thread, which was posted by the thread starter.

Yeah it looked like eugenics had been endorsed a lot in the US and the UK historically and still to this day

"Eugenic goals are most likely to be attained under a name other than eugenics." — Frederick Osborn (Co-founder of the American Eugenics Society that was later renamed “Society for the Study of Social Biology") 1968
-
The Rockefeller funded Tavistock Institute found that setting groups (e.g., gender, ethnicity, skin color, sexual orientation, religion, region) into competition under austerity induced self-brainwashing, the creation of perverse pseudo-families, and outright clinical psychosis.
-
"In brief, American companies associated with the Morgan-Rockefeller international investment bankers... were intimately related to the growth of Nazi industry..." Wall Street & The Rise of Hitler by Antony Sutton (1976)

-
Francis Galton's 3 Stages of Eugenics (1909): "1) Eugenics must be made a familiar academic question... and accepted as fact... 2) ...[practical eugenic policy] deserves serious considerations... 3) ...it must be introduced into the national consciousness as a new religion."

This isn't a discussion of eugenics or genocide. But to selectively point out US and UK is disingenuous. It's been practiced globally, in many forms, throughout history. Most recently in Rwanda and China. You could say that is the goal of the progressive party global initiative of planned parenthood.

I don't doubt that the global elite are fans of eugenics as it seems the whole Great Reset agenda appears set on culling the Earth. But those people are not of any nation or race, but of a collective global elite. You cannot conflate them with western culture or race.

 

[Pistachio]

This isn't a discussion of eugenics or genocide. But to selectively point out US and UK is disingenuous. It's been practiced globally, in many forms, throughout history. Most recently in Rwanda and China. You could say that is the goal of the progressive party global initiative of planned parenthood.

I don't doubt that the global elite are fans of eugenics as it seems the whole Great Reset agenda appears set on culling the Earth. But those people are not of any nation or race, but of a collective global elite. You cannot conflate them with western culture or race.

Blaming the West for "globalism" is a typical communist tactic. All socialists/communists do it. Now, they even send in crypto-communists (those posing as anti-communists or conservatives) to blame the West for everything under the sun. The point of this is to weaken the West through demoralization, confusion, and division, for eventual overtaking and convergence with the East, as per Vladimir Lenin. We are seeing this happening at this very moment.

 

[NathanK]

Blaming the West for "globalism" is a typical communist tactic. All socialists/communists do it. Now, they even send in crypto-communists (those posing as anti-communists or conservatives) to blame the West for everything under the sun. The point of this is to weaken the West through demoralization, confusion, and division, for eventual overtaking and convergence with the East, as per Vladimir Lenin. We are seeing this happening at this very moment.

That's how Critical Theory works. Only destroys, does not build.

 

[meatbag]

Millions of deaths by the Nazis? You actually believe the 6-million figure? The Nazis were socialists, not fascists. Learn the difference. You have more in common with the Nazis than us Right wingers.

What abotu the 60 million killed by Reds? Oh, that was some how justified?

Communists can never make a good case for their system without resorting to bringing up the Nazis or the "evil bourgeousie". In other words, it's reactionary. It's not something that any normal person gravitates towards, because they sense its inherent evil.

The Nazi party called themselves 'socialists' to gain popular support, if you read Hitler's speeches and writings, he attempted to redefine socialism into fascism. Before being granted power by Hindenburg in 1933 the social democrats were the popular party.
Enabling Act of 1933 - Wikipedia

"Fear is why Fascism's emotional reach can extend to all levels of society. No political movement can flourish without popular support, but Fascism is as dependent on the wealthy and powerful as it is on the man or woman in the street-on those who have much to lose and those who have nothing at all.
This insight made us think that Fascism should perhaps be viewed less as a political ideology than as a means for seizing and holding power....The German National Socialist Party originally came together around a list of demands that catered to anti-Seminites, anti-immigrants, and anti-capitalists but also advocated for higher old-age pensions, more educational opportunities for the poor, an end to child labor, and improved maternal health care. The Nazis were racists and, in their own minds, reformers at the same time."
"Fascism concerns itself less with specific policies that with finding a pathway to power"
"Fascism draws energy from men and women who are upset because of a lost war, a lost job, a memory of humiliation, or a sense that their country is in steep decline"

From "Fascism" by Madeleine Albright, US Secretary of State 1997-2001
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Adolf Hitler was not a socialist

In Hitler’s version of National Socialism, socialism was “Aryan” and focused on the “commonwealth” of everyday Germans — a group of people he unites as one based entirely on their race. In that same interview with Viereck, Hitler added:

“Socialism is the science of dealing with the common wealth. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic... We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfillment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one.”

 

[Pistachio]

The Nazi party called themselves 'socialists' to gain popular support, if you read Hitler's speeches and writings, he attempted to redefine socialism into fascism. Before being granted power by Hindenburg in 1933 the social democrats were the popular party.
Enabling Act of 1933 - Wikipedia

"Fear is why Fascism's emotional reach can extend to all levels of society. No political movement can flourish without popular support, but Fascism is as dependent on the wealthy and powerful as it is on the man or woman in the street-on those who have much to lose and those who have nothing at all.
This insight made us think that Fascism should perhaps be viewed less as a political ideology than as a means for seizing and holding power....The German National Socialist Party originally came together around a list of demands that catered to anti-Seminites, anti-immigrants, and anti-capitalists but also advocated for higher old-age pensions, more educational opportunities for the poor, an end to child labor, and improved maternal health care. The Nazis were racists and, in their own minds, reformers at the same time."
"Fascism concerns itself less with specific policies that with finding a pathway to power"
"Fascism draws energy from men and women who are upset because of a lost war, a lost job, a memory of humiliation, or a sense that their country is in steep decline"
-Fascism by Madeleine Albright

Adolf Hitler was not a socialist

In Hitler’s version of National Socialism, socialism was “Aryan” and focused on the “commonwealth” of everyday Germans — a group of people he unites as one based entirely on their race. In that same interview with Viereck, Hitler added:

You're forgetting the most important fact in history that Nazi Germany was a socialist state economically. To call them fascist is dishonest and deflective, but I wouldn't expect anything better from the communists than to do that.

As much as communists would like to pretend how different they are from the Nazis, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact speaks volumes.

Stalin and Hitler. "Socialists" in brotherhood.

The Nazis play the bad cop while the Soviets play the good cop, but all are the same at the top.

Nazi party leader Bormann was a Soviet agent - Gehlen reveals Party leader Bormann to be a Soviet Agent | Espionage |

Putin “played no less role” in creation of ISIS than Stalin did in rise of Nazis, Shmulyevich says

Vladimir Putin should be compared with Stalin rather than with Hitler, Avraam Shmulyevich says, not only because he is seeking to use an east-west alliance to legitimize his seizure of territory but also because Putin has played “no less a role” in the creation of ISIS than the Soviet dictator...

euromaidanpress.com

1913: When Hitler, Trotsky, Tito, Freud and Stalin all lived in the same place

A century ago, a single square mile in the capital of the then Austro-Hungarian Empire was home to some of the most remarkable men of the 20th Century.

www.bbc.com

 

[Pistachio]

That's how Critical Theory works. Only destroys, does not build.

Indeed. Destroyers. When the Left finishes imploding, those who were in it for ideological reasons will learn rapidly what misery that brought upon themselves.

 

[meatbag]

You're forgetting the most important fact in history that Nazi Germany was a socialist state economically. To call them fascist is dishonest and deflective, but I wouldn't expect anything better from the communists than to do that.

As much as communists would like to pretend how different they are from the Nazis, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact speaks volumes.

Stalin and Hitler. "Socialists" in brotherhood.

The Nazis play the bad cop while the Soviets play the good cop, but all are the same at the top.

Nazi party leader Bormann was a Soviet agent - Gehlen reveals Party leader Bormann to be a Soviet Agent | Espionage |

Putin “played no less role” in creation of ISIS than Stalin did in rise of Nazis, Shmulyevich says

Vladimir Putin should be compared with Stalin rather than with Hitler, Avraam Shmulyevich says, not only because he is seeking to use an east-west alliance to legitimize his seizure of territory but also because Putin has played “no less a role” in the creation of ISIS than the Soviet dictator...

euromaidanpress.com

1913: When Hitler, Trotsky, Tito, Freud and Stalin all lived in the same place

A century ago, a single square mile in the capital of the then Austro-Hungarian Empire was home to some of the most remarkable men of the 20th Century.

www.bbc.com

"The Nazi government developed a partnership with leading German business interests, who supported the goals of the regime and its war effort in exchange for advantageous contracts, subsidies, and the suppression of the trade union movement.[11] Cartels and monopolies were encouraged at the expense of small businesses, even though the Nazis had received considerable electoral support from small business owners.[12]"

However, after the Nazis took power, industries were privatized en masse. Several banks, shipyards, railway lines, shipping lines, welfare organizations, and more were privatized.[41] The Nazi government took the stance that enterprises should be in private hands wherever possible.

Additionally, the Nazis privatized some public services which had been previously provided by the government, especially social and labor-related services, and these were mainly taken over by organizations affiliated with the Nazi Party that could be trusted to apply Nazi racial policies.[50]

One of the reasons for the Nazi privatization policy was to cement the partnership between the government and business interests.[51] Hitler believed that the lack of a precise economic programme was one of the Nazi Party's strengths, saying: "The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all".

The month after being appointed Chancellor, Hitler made a personal appeal to German business leaders to help fund the Nazi Party for the crucial months that were to follow. He argued that they should support him in establishing a dictatorship because "private enterprise cannot be maintained in the age of democracy" and because democracy would allegedly lead to communism.[58] In the following weeks, the Nazi Party received contributions from seventeen different business groups, with the largest coming from IG Farben and Deutsche Bank.[59] Many of these businesses continued to support Hitler even during the war and even profited from persecution of the Jews. The most infamous being firms like Krupp, IG Farben, and some large automobile manufacturers.[60] Historian Adam Tooze writes that the leaders of German business were therefore "willing partners in the destruction of political pluralism in Germany."[61] In exchange, owners and managers of German businesses were granted unprecedented powers to control their workforce, collective bargaining was abolished and wages were frozen at a relatively low level.[62] Business profits also rose very rapidly, as did corporate investment.[63]

Hayes describes Nazi economic policies as a "'carrot-and-stick' or 'Skinner Box' economy" in which corporate decisions "were increasingly channeled in directions the regime desired" through a combination of "government funding and state-guaranteed profit margins" on the one hand, and a series of regulations, penalties, "the possibility of government compulsion, and the danger that refusal to cooperate could open opportunities to competitors," on the other hand. As such, he argues that "the Third Reich both bridled and spurred the profit motive."[76

The Nazis banned all trade unions that existed before their rise to power, and replaced them with the German Labour Front (DAF), controlled by the Nazi Party.[86] They also outlawed strikes and lockouts.[87] The stated goal of the German Labour Front was not to protect workers, but to increase output, and it brought in employers as well as workers.[88]

Economy of Nazi Germany - Wikipedia
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Fascist movements tended to support pragmatic responses to varying economic circumstances, and did not have any fixed economic principles other than a general desire that the economy should help build a strong nation.[6] As such, scholars argue that fascists had no economic ideology, but they did follow popular opinion, the interests of their donors and the necessities of World War II. In general, fascist governments exercised control over private property, but they did not nationalize it.[7] Scholars also noted that big business developed an increasingly close partnership with the Italian Fascist and German fascist governments. Business leaders supported the government's political and military goals. In exchange, the government pursued economic policies that maximized the profits of its business allies.[8]

While other Western capitalist countries strove for increased state ownership of industry during the same period, Nazi Germany transferred public ownership and public services into the private sector.[9] Fascist regimes have been described as being authoritarian or totalitarian capitalist.[9][10][11][12]

The first fascist movements arose in the last years of World War I. They were a form of radical nationalism carrying a promise of national rebirth; they blamed liberalism, socialism, and materialism for the decadence they perceived in society and culture, and they expressed an appreciation for violence and the role of leadership and willpower in shaping society.[13]

Fascists opposed both international socialism and free-market capitalism, arguing that their views represented a third position.[21][22] They claimed to provide a realistic economic alternative that was neither laissez-faire capitalism nor communism.[23] They favored corporatism and class collaboration, believing that the existence of inequality and social hierarchy was beneficial (contrary to the views of socialists),[24][25] while also arguing that the state had a role in mediating relations between classes (contrary to the views of liberal capitalists).[26] An important aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigism,[27] meaning an economy where the government often subsidizes favorable companies and exerts strong directive influence over investment, as opposed to having a merely regulatory role. In general, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state.[28]

Economics of fascism - Wikipedia
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"America had long felt sympathetic to Mussolini; the Italian dictator was met with corporate conglomerates from the other side of the pond that were not only sympathetic to his plight but were calling his transformation of Italy the “fine, young revolution.” [2] But when it came to Hitler, big business was more reserved as the German upstart was often billed behind a Socialist bill, which was very anti-capitalist. One such big name that was a fan of Hitler, in the beginning, was Henry Ford, but he certainly wasn’t alone. [3] Other big names that followed Hitler’s progress, even as far back as the 1920s, included Randolph Hearst and Irenee Du Pont, even going as far as providing for him financially.

This fascination with Hitler lead to many American investments in Germany; by 1930 about twenty big names in the US were connected, such as Coca-Cola, General Electric, IBM, Singer, Goodrich, and Gillette, just to name a few. But it wasn’t just corporations, because soon the banks followed, including J.P. Morgan, the Union of New York, and Sullivan & Cromwell. The most shocking of all these facts was the father of George Bush Sr., Prescott Bush, who made his fortune in Nazi contracts that later led to the president’s oil money and financing for his presidential campaign. [5]

While American investments in the German economy did poorly during the 1930’s—as the Great Depression had devastating effects in Europe as well as the US—the corporations still profited from the political atmosphere and the low wages. Coca-cola’s production and bottling in Essen, with workers that were little more than “serfs” who were working in poor conditions with no flexibility or freedom to change jobs, and salaries that were kept artificially low by the government to entice business to be conducted there.

[6] Any attempts to protest these conditions by the workers resulted in transfers to the Gestapo, or worse. Fear of being sent to concentration camps made the German workers obedient, and this continued to increase the American profits that were tied to Hitler’s country. [7]

The next thing that enticed American money was Hitler’s answer to the increasingly worsening economic climate. A remedy that was a mix of Keynesian philosophy, Hitler created a state-mandated demand on goods that increased productivity and thereby profit for his American friends. What was sent into production was undeniably war equipment, and with a looming Nazi war and big bills from the suppliers racking up, the only possible outcome could be Nazi victory.

With the Great Depression raging on throughout the thirties in the US, unforeseen bumps in the road began to complicate the already low profits. Labour activists, Communists and other radicals came out of the cracks in the system to introduce Socialist ideas into the capitalist framework of the country, and Germany’s staunch republic proved to be something many American conglomerates looked to as a good example of a healthy economy.
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[meatbag]

The Federal Reserve Act was signed into law by Woody Wilson two days before Christmas in 1913, it was said to provide scientific management of the economy.

Scientific management of the economy...sounds very "Top Down Centrally Planned". Not true capitalism in my eyes, which is based on free markets as a price discovery mechanism. Beautiful in it's elegance and simplicity, when not hijacked for nefarious purposes.

Of course, once that was done, the money printing and wealth redistribution etc began.

When you use the term 'free markets', what is it free from?

 

[Pistachio]

"The Nazi government developed a partnership with leading German business interests, who supported the goals of the regime and its war effort in exchange for advantageous contracts, subsidies, and the suppression of the trade union movement.[11] Cartels and monopolies were encouraged at the expense of small businesses, even though the Nazis had received considerable electoral support from small business owners.[12]"

However, after the Nazis took power, industries were privatized en masse. Several banks, shipyards, railway lines, shipping lines, welfare organizations, and more were privatized.[41] The Nazi government took the stance that enterprises should be in private hands wherever possible.

Additionally, the Nazis privatized some public services which had been previously provided by the government, especially social and labor-related services, and these were mainly taken over by organizations affiliated with the Nazi Party that could be trusted to apply Nazi racial policies.[50]

One of the reasons for the Nazi privatization policy was to cement the partnership between the government and business interests.[51] Hitler believed that the lack of a precise economic programme was one of the Nazi Party's strengths, saying: "The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all".

The month after being appointed Chancellor, Hitler made a personal appeal to German business leaders to help fund the Nazi Party for the crucial months that were to follow. He argued that they should support him in establishing a dictatorship because "private enterprise cannot be maintained in the age of democracy" and because democracy would allegedly lead to communism.[58] In the following weeks, the Nazi Party received contributions from seventeen different business groups, with the largest coming from IG Farben and Deutsche Bank.[59] Many of these businesses continued to support Hitler even during the war and even profited from persecution of the Jews. The most infamous being firms like Krupp, IG Farben, and some large automobile manufacturers.[60] Historian Adam Tooze writes that the leaders of German business were therefore "willing partners in the destruction of political pluralism in Germany."[61] In exchange, owners and managers of German businesses were granted unprecedented powers to control their workforce, collective bargaining was abolished and wages were frozen at a relatively low level.[62] Business profits also rose very rapidly, as did corporate investment.[63]

Hayes describes Nazi economic policies as a "'carrot-and-stick' or 'Skinner Box' economy" in which corporate decisions "were increasingly channeled in directions the regime desired" through a combination of "government funding and state-guaranteed profit margins" on the one hand, and a series of regulations, penalties, "the possibility of government compulsion, and the danger that refusal to cooperate could open opportunities to competitors," on the other hand. As such, he argues that "the Third Reich both bridled and spurred the profit motive."[76

The Nazis banned all trade unions that existed before their rise to power, and replaced them with the German Labour Front (DAF), controlled by the Nazi Party.[86] They also outlawed strikes and lockouts.[87] The stated goal of the German Labour Front was not to protect workers, but to increase output, and it brought in employers as well as workers.[88]

Economy of Nazi Germany - Wikipedia
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Fascist movements tended to support pragmatic responses to varying economic circumstances, and did not have any fixed economic principles other than a general desire that the economy should help build a strong nation.[6] As such, scholars argue that fascists had no economic ideology, but they did follow popular opinion, the interests of their donors and the necessities of World War II. In general, fascist governments exercised control over private property, but they did not nationalize it.[7] Scholars also noted that big business developed an increasingly close partnership with the Italian Fascist and German fascist governments. Business leaders supported the government's political and military goals. In exchange, the government pursued economic policies that maximized the profits of its business allies.[8]

While other Western capitalist countries strove for increased state ownership of industry during the same period, Nazi Germany transferred public ownership and public services into the private sector.[9] Fascist regimes have been described as being authoritarian or totalitarian capitalist.[9][10][11][12]

The first fascist movements arose in the last years of World War I. They were a form of radical nationalism carrying a promise of national rebirth; they blamed liberalism, socialism, and materialism for the decadence they perceived in society and culture, and they expressed an appreciation for violence and the role of leadership and willpower in shaping society.[13]

Fascists opposed both international socialism and free-market capitalism, arguing that their views represented a third position.[21][22] They claimed to provide a realistic economic alternative that was neither laissez-faire capitalism nor communism.[23] They favored corporatism and class collaboration, believing that the existence of inequality and social hierarchy was beneficial (contrary to the views of socialists),[24][25] while also arguing that the state had a role in mediating relations between classes (contrary to the views of liberal capitalists).[26] An important aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigism,[27] meaning an economy where the government often subsidizes favorable companies and exerts strong directive influence over investment, as opposed to having a merely regulatory role. In general, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state.[28]

Economics of fascism - Wikipedia
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"America had long felt sympathetic to Mussolini; the Italian dictator was met with corporate conglomerates from the other side of the pond that were not only sympathetic to his plight but were calling his transformation of Italy the “fine, young revolution.” [2] But when it came to Hitler, big business was more reserved as the German upstart was often billed behind a Socialist bill, which was very anti-capitalist. One such big name that was a fan of Hitler, in the beginning, was Henry Ford, but he certainly wasn’t alone. [3] Other big names that followed Hitler’s progress, even as far back as the 1920s, included Randolph Hearst and Irenee Du Pont, even going as far as providing for him financially.

This fascination with Hitler lead to many American investments in Germany; by 1930 about twenty big names in the US were connected, such as Coca-Cola, General Electric, IBM, Singer, Goodrich, and Gillette, just to name a few. But it wasn’t just corporations, because soon the banks followed, including J.P. Morgan, the Union of New York, and Sullivan & Cromwell. The most shocking of all these facts was the father of George Bush Sr., Prescott Bush, who made his fortune in Nazi contracts that later led to the president’s oil money and financing for his presidential campaign. [5]

While American investments in the German economy did poorly during the 1930’s—as the Great Depression had devastating effects in Europe as well as the US—the corporations still profited from the political atmosphere and the low wages. Coca-cola’s production and bottling in Essen, with workers that were little more than “serfs” who were working in poor conditions with no flexibility or freedom to change jobs, and salaries that were kept artificially low by the government to entice business to be conducted there.

[6] Any attempts to protest these conditions by the workers resulted in transfers to the Gestapo, or worse. Fear of being sent to concentration camps made the German workers obedient, and this continued to increase the American profits that were tied to Hitler’s country. [7]

The next thing that enticed American money was Hitler’s answer to the increasingly worsening economic climate. A remedy that was a mix of Keynesian philosophy, Hitler created a state-mandated demand on goods that increased productivity and thereby profit for his American friends. What was sent into production was undeniably war equipment, and with a looming Nazi war and big bills from the suppliers racking up, the only possible outcome could be Nazi victory.

With the Great Depression raging on throughout the thirties in the US, unforeseen bumps in the road began to complicate the already low profits. Labour activists, Communists and other radicals came out of the cracks in the system to introduce Socialist ideas into the capitalist framework of the country, and Germany’s staunch republic proved to be something many American conglomerates looked to as a good example of a healthy economy.
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A general rule of thumb is that if you can't express an argument, no matter how complex, in a concise way, you don't really understand the subject. If you want to argue over semantics, count me out. My general point was that the Soviets and Nazis have more in common with each other than Western conservatives do with Nazis.