Cultural Marxism, Reds Against (W) Freedom

[MatheusPN]

Okay, but if you accept that that's how it's being defined in law dictionaries (and it is), you should at the very least make that distinction

We are in a forum dedicated to Ray Peat, a guy who likes marxism, a guy who said that humans are naturally inclined to be altruistic (alá Kropotkin), a guy who dislikes capitalism and is against elitism and who talks a lot about even Stalin. Then now should I also say that Estrogen is a feminine hormone or make a distinction?

This would also mean you are against the likes of Stalin and Lenin, correct?

History is made and forged to best suit the winners. I prefer them to the rest of the very well know eugenicists presidents/ leaders of the WW2, like Hitler, Churchill, and Roosevelt.
The same authoritarian Stalin, was the only opposition against Hitler in 1937/ 38, while the west aligned with him with a non-aggression pact.
The elites and politicians of the capitalist world are very well known to support and commit nazism/ eugenism.
Also, like Trump, Stalin wasn't omnipotent. Most aspects, especially imperialistic actions, were committed majoritarily by Trotsky! Stalin is very well known to oppose and impede lots of imperialistic actions!
Kropotkin and lots of marxists and virtually all of the anarchists are very critic of Stalin, the Bolsheviks and of Lenin.
Against Stalin and Lenin, I have the same opinion of Kropotkin:
"(Lenin) He is a madman, an immolator, wishful of burning, and slaughter, and sacrificing."

I'm not familiar with any "right wing" dictionaries. Which dictionary are you referring to

Any dictionary who is capable of terrible misrepresentation, stating that anarchy is disorder and communism is statism have clear right influence.

 

[Peater]

The same authoritarian Stalin, was the only opposition against Hitler in 1937/ 38, while the west aligned with him with a non-aggression pact.

 

[MatheusPN]

Kropotkin died in 1921.
So, more recent definitions are defining "Communism" in a different way than Kropotkin, and apparently, your definition. Maybe you should clarify...... are you advocating total control by the state, or no state at all?

Do you want more recent definitions of communism? Even better by the most hated by righties? The Marxists?
What if I said that the more modern communists are even more ample against State "communism"?

Take a look at Guerida:
"state "communism," which obliterate man, kill popular initiative, and finally dishonor the very idea of communism."
"Being communists means being against the State" -Negri
"The Russian economic system is state capitalism, there called state-socialism or even communism, with production directed by a state bureaucracy under the leadership of the Communist Party. The state officials, forming the new ruling class, have the disposal over the product, hence over the surplus-value, whereas the workers receive wages only, thus forming an exploited class." -Antonie Pannekoek

 

[MatheusPN]

Oh more "real communism has never been tried" pabulum
I am anti-authoritian which is why i loathe commies. Free helicopter rides are all they deserve. Before another few million people are needlessly killed in the next iteration.

Perceive. Think. Act.

As I said before, real communism prospers.
In SU? Mostly occurred Stalinism. In China? Maoism.

Communism exists, occurs, and still exists for more than centuries, much before USSR.
As I said before, prevail some billionaires and occurred without violent attacks, they're Communist, Anarchist societies.

Communist deaths? Stalin, fought against Hitler alone first, while the US, England, and alikes were helping and allied with Germany. Let's not forget that a big part of Europe was committing eugenist crimes against ppl, which was not an exclusivity of nazism. Or what about the slavery/ misery against colonies like Africa, and then the destruction of the richest Africa country, Libya, by the USA? By capitalists?

The anti-authoritarian, creator of Perceive, Think, Act. Likes marxism and dislikes capitalism.

 

[Peater]

As I said before, real communism prospers.
In SU? Mostly occurred Stalinism. In China? Maoism.

Why don't you move to China then?

The anti-authoritarian, creator of Perceive, Think, Act. Likes marxism and dislikes capitalism.

I don't believe it is as simple as that. Show proof.

 

[tankasnowgod]

We are in a forum dedicated to Ray Peat, a guy who likes marxism, a guy who said that humans are naturally inclined to be altruistic (alá Kropotkin), a guy who dislikes capitalism and is against elitism and who talks a lot about even Stalin. Then now should I also say that Estrogen is a feminine hormone or make a distinction?

A ridiculous comparison. "Estrogen" refers to a group of hormones, things that can be found in the real world. Similar to a chair, a car, a dog, a drop of blood, or the sun. All real things that really exist. Marxism, Capitalism, and Communism aren't "real things." You could never put "Communism" in a vial, a wheelbarrow, or isolate "Communism" from serum or tissues. All that Communism is is a series of actions, or a thought form.

History is made and forged to best suit the winners. I prefer them to the rest of the very well know eugenicists presidents/ leaders of the WW2, like Hitler, Churchill, and Roosevelt.

You are aware that Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin were allies in World War II, correct? And that the Allies won? And that the Soviets were one among the nations represented by judges at the Nuremberg trials?

The number of murders that Stalin is responsible for ranges anywhere from 3 to 60 Million. I believe he was the biggest monster of all in that war, and the Nuremberg trials were used, at least in part, to cover up that fact.

 

[aguineapig]

In SU one's wages for a year would buy one of these gems; and the waiting list was over 10 years! To buy second hand cost twice that for those who could not wait as greed flourished and altruism waned under the stiflance of the state and often brought out the very worst in people -- like a chinese finger trap of forced equity. Very interesting and fun video worth watching!

 

[MatheusPN]

Why don't you move to China then?

I don't believe it is as simple as that. Show proof.

You're creating lots of strawmen. First, I'm not a communist. 2 I just quoted, Maoism is not communism. 3 State Communism is as ridiculous as anti-market capitalism.

Since you dont believe in it you're clearly, admitting that you don't read or hear almost nothing of what Ray has to say.
Here its perfect it covers about, Altruism, Cooperation, Communism, anti-elitism, anti-capitalism at 1h06s


@aguineapig I don't understand how ppl, doesn't bring the context, context is everything!
In SU before occurred lots of famines, it was a very poor country, later it occurred only one more time after Holodomor. Even while in civil war, with fascists inside, with the FBI infiltration, in wars against the world.

 

[aguineapig]

State Communism is as ridiculous as anti-market capitalism.

do you believe markets are synonymous with capitalism? And what do you think of free barter economy? Or a 'peasant' economy that is completely free but with the absence of corporations? Not necessarily feasible but pretend that it is.

 

[MatheusPN]

@tankasnowgod
Your doing strawmen, why? As I said context, I presented it, a forum dedicated to Ray Peat. Its ridiculous if I have to always say non-statist communism, more, State commu is a ridiculous oxymoron, extreme nonsense.
Ridiculous in a Ray Peat forum, to always have to bring, that estrogen is not a women hormone, as communism is not statism or that serotonin is not a happy hormone.

You're also is ignoring, what I said before, that as trump, Stalin wanst omnipotent, Trotsky was the principal for monstrous homicides. 60 million if you pick into consideration fascist sources together with killings of nazis.
How many ppl, were killed only in a war by the US, like against Lybia? How many ppl had the lives destroyed thanks to US colonialism, imperialism and bombardments?

You also are ignoring the pacts the US, England etc. Made with Hitler. Ignoring the investments in Nazi Germany by the elite of the US.
Did you know that after WW2 happened the cold war?

 

[Peater]

Since you dont believe in it you're clearly, admitting that you don't read or hear almost nothing of what Ray has to say.

I was politely (not) saying I wouldn't trust a communist to tell me what colour the sky is, but I will set some time aside and watch that vid.

 

[MatheusPN]

do you believe markets are synonymous with capitalism? And what do you think of free barter economy? Or a 'peasant' economy that is completely free but with the absence of corporations? Not necessarily feasible but pretend that it is.

How can you have Capitalism without a market? It would become a market socialism or free market anarchism.
Yeah, I like barter economy, very effective way to opt-out of some State oppression.

 

[Based Kantian]

do you believe markets are synonymous with capitalism? And what do you think of free barter economy? Or a 'peasant' economy that is completely free but with the absence of corporations? Not necessarily feasible but pretend that it is.

You're basically saying "but those weren't real markets. Real markets have never been tried!"

In present bourgeois society as a whole, this positing of prices and their circulation etc. appears as the surface process, beneath which, however, in the depths, entirely different processes go on, in which this apparent individual equality and liberty disappear. It is forgotten, on one side, that the presupposition of exchange value, as the objective basis of the whole of the system of production, already in itself implies compulsion over the individual, since his immediate product is not a product for him, but only becomes such in the social process, and since it must take on this general but nevertheless external form; and that the individual has an existence only as a producer of exchange value, hence that the whole negation of his natural existence is already implied; that he is therefore entirely determined by society; that this further presupposes a division of labour etc., in which the individual is already posited in relations other than that of mere exchanger, etc. That therefore this presupposition by no means arises either out of the individual’s will or out of the immediate nature of the individual, but that it is, rather, historical, and posits the individual as already determined by society. It is forgotten, on the other side, that these higher forms, in which exchange, or the relations of production which realize themselves in it, are now posited, do not by any means stand still in this simple form where the highest distinction which occurs is a formal and hence irrelevant one. What is overlooked, finally, is that already the simple forms of exchange value and of money latently contain the opposition between labour and capital etc. Thus, what all this wisdom comes down to is the attempt to stick fast at the simplest economic relations, which, conceived by themselves, are pure abstractions; but these relations are, in reality, mediated by the deepest antithesis, and represent only one side, in which the full expression of the antitheses is obscured.

What this reveals, on the other side, is the foolishness of those socialists (namely the French, who want to depict socialism as the realization of the ideals of bourgeois society articulated by the French revolution) who demonstrate that exchange and exchange value etc. are originally (in time) or essentially (in their adequate form) a system of universal freedom and equality, but that they have been perverted by money, capital, etc. [23] Or, also, that history has so far failed in every attempt to implement them in their true manner, but that they have now, like Proudhon, discovered e.g. the real Jacob, and intend now to supply the genuine history of these relations in place of the fake. The proper reply to them is: that exchange value or, more precisely, the money system is in fact the system of equality and freedom, and that the disturbances which they encounter in the further development of the system are disturbances inherent in it, are merely the realization of equality and freedom, which prove to be inequality and unfreedom. It is just as pious as it is stupid to wish that exchange value would not develop into capital, nor labour which produces exchange value into wage labour. What divides these gentlemen from the bourgeois apologists is, on one side, their sensitivity to the contradictions included in the system; on the other, the utopian inability to grasp the necessary difference between the real and the ideal form of bourgeois society, which is the cause of their desire to undertake the superfluous business of realizing the ideal expression again, which is in fact only the inverted projection [Lichtbild] of this reality.

Karl Marx, Grundrisse

Grundrisse 05

 

[Based Kantian]

I was politely (not) saying I wouldn't trust a communist to tell me what colour the sky is, but I will set some time aside and watch that vid.

But you trust a communist to tell you to drink two quarts of milk and a quart of orange juice each day

 

[Peater]

But you trust a communist to tell you to drink two quarts of milk and a quart of orange juice each day

I don't drink milk anymore. IT doesn't agree with me. You do know what anti-authoritarian means?

 

[Based Kantian]

I don't drink milk anymore. IT doesn't agree with me. You do know what anti-authoritarian means?

Further confirmation of my theory that anticommunism is an endocrine disorder

 

[Peater]

Further confirmation of my theory that anticommunism is an endocrine disorder

Communist famine will mess up your endocrine system much worse.

 

[MatheusPN]

You should give the two essays Resignation and Marginalia to Theory and Praxis in Critical Models a read. Adorno opposed authoritarianism and anti-intellectualism right and left and for that reason became an enemy of the German student movement. A group of female activists in one of his classes bared their breasts and accosted him in protest while another activist wrote "if Adorno is left in peace, capitalism will never cease" on the blackboard. He died of a heart attack soon after this incident. Pic related

You seem to have much more knowledged of it than I, no surprise kkkkkk
Yeah, those libtards again uniting with fascis? Ppl from university campus really hated later the likes of Adorno. Fascists killed some ppl from the Frankfurt School...
Horkheimer died 3 years later, then Marcuse. Wow, the 3 we're talking about!
Not only that, I forget more! To thanks a left-wing hero.
"In Berlin’s Alexanderplatz, a young Herbert Marcuse sees revolutionary action when he is charged with shooting rightwing snipers who themselves were targeting left-wing demonstrators and revolutionary agitators".

Im reflecting, demonstrate here or create a thread about what is fascism?

 

[aguineapig]

How can you have Capitalism without a market? It would become a market socialism or free market anarchism.
Yeah, I like barter economy, very effective way to opt-out of some State oppression.

My emphasis was in the other direction -- can you have markets without capitalism? And do "markets" themselves constitute "capitalism"? If you are in favor of a barter economy as a theoretical, then do you also believe in individual ownership of goods produced by, say, a small holding? The only other option is nope, you are free to barter with other peoples things, for things from someone who is himself bartering with other peoples things. If you would not call that prerogative over ones "own" goods of material production, how else would you describe it besides "property" or "ownership"? Possession/stewardship of material?

 

[MatheusPN]

But you trust a communist to tell you to drink two quarts of milk and a quart of orange juice each day

Better, a guy so indoctrinated that likes anti-authoritarianism, while believing in elitist thoughts, you know, humans are naturally serotonergic lobsters. Its unnatural, its fake news that humans can be egalitarian.
He can't even see any Zapatista or any other commie society.