Cultural Marxism, Reds Against (W) Freedom

[michael94]

No. It was created by one central organisation. The Federal Reserve.

Don't worry you'll get all the communism your little heart can desire when this "Great Reset" kicks into action properly

The Federal Reserve can only create Central Bank Reserves that are limited to interbank circulation. They are treated like digital cash, but non banks ( us ) dont use them. The Federal Reserve acts on behalf of private Banks when they need Reserves for settling payments, but the money we use is created by Real Estate speculation ( mostly ) although tied to the Reserve circuit. What you see in your bank account statement was not made by the FED but Wells Fargo, Chase etc. The FED is just there to accomodate private Bank dealings, or when the Government requests spending.

Split-Circuit Reserve Banking — sovereign money

 

[MatheusPN]

Why are they pushing the digital dollar that they will have total control over?

Its capital not money, my mistake. Strange..

Sure as long as you don't want to eat meat, not get vaccinated, live in the countryside...

I really can't be bothered arguing with you. You're not even making sensible points.

You're misrepresenting communism pathetically!
"It is only by the abolition of the State, by the conquest of perfect liberty by the individual, by free agreement, association, and absolute free federation that we can reach Communism — the possession in common of our social inheritance, and the production in common of all riches." -Piotr Kropotkin

What about ownership of tools, and small simple machines like that of a subsistence farmer? Are these "allowable" property or is property such as that subject to collectivization? How about land access? How should that be approached in lieu of private property? Russia still has a legacy of small country dwellings and gardens. How to keep them from exploitation from human populism/mobs?

I don't like the focus on things like factories which would have a small role in an agrarian society emphasizing appropriate technologies. People like Eugene Debs are hopelessly infected by industrialism and defeatist. His speaking was more like better conditions for slaves, than true emancipation. Smallholdings are virtually the only true freedom from exploitation /slavery. So whatever system that extolls and upholds the smallholding is what I am for, whatever that is.

To know my summary opinion about it: Deliberation Makes People Consistently Selfish
What I said before can still answer your first paragraph, so I will only add that the community through free association and dissent, in a true democracy, can determine/ think what its better for them. They want a market? They want mutualism? They want mutual aid? Its very context-dependent what will be better for those socialists.
How to keep them from being exploited against mobs? I would say through being militarily superior or being nomads like the Казаки, or living in mountains or in the Aмазоник forest.

Eugene Debs? IDK about him, will take a look... Smallholdings? You have more similar thinking to anarchists than communists, generally, commies prefer efficiency, although recently they achieved a consensus between decentralization and efficiency. Yep, being autonomous and being against the State is a great way to achieve liberty as creating anarchic cooperation is.

I have a simple yes or no question for you just to stir the pot; have you read "the doctrine of fascism" by "mussolini"/gentile?

I haven't... Who can burn this guinea pig for our Godly soul? ¡¿Christ!?

 

[tankasnowgod]

You're misrepresenting communism pathetically!
"It is only by the abolition of the State, by the conquest of perfect liberty by the individual, by free agreement, association, and absolute free federation that we can reach Communism — the possession in common of our social inheritance, and the production in common of all riches." -Piotr Kropotkin

Kropotkin died in 1921.

Black's Law Dictionary 6th Edition Defines "Communism" as the following-

Communism. A system of social organization in which goods are held in common, the opposite of the system of private property; communalism, any theory or system of social organization involving common ownership of agents of production of industry, the latter of which theories is referred to in the popular use of the word "communism" while the scientific usage sometimes conforms to the first alone and sometimes alternates between the first and second; also the principles and theories of the Communist Party. A system by which the state controls the means of production and the distribution and consumption of industrial products.

So, more recent definitions are defining "Communism" in a different way than Kropotkin, and apparently, your definition. Maybe you should clarify...... are you advocating total control by the state, or no state at all?

 

[MatheusPN]

Kropotkin died in 1921.

Black's Law Dictionary 6th Edition Defines "Communism" as the following-

Communism. A system of social organization in which goods are held in common, the opposite of the system of private property; communalism, any theory or system of social organization involving common ownership of agents of production of industry, the latter of which theories is referred to in the popular use of the word "communism" while the scientific usage sometimes conforms to the first alone and sometimes alternates between the first and second; also the principles and theories of the Communist Party. A system by which the state controls the means of production and the distribution and consumption of industrial products.

So, more recent definitions are defining "Communism" in a different way than Kropotkin, and apparently, your definition. Maybe you should clarify...... are you advocating total control by the state, or no state at all?

Its unreasonable to use one of the most prominent fonts from Capitalists about or better against Communism, which states the oxymoron State Communism.
Now we have non-market capitalism, latter Capital communism and then centralized anarchism.
The definition of communism is malleable/ philosophical, but it has some central concepts and its original concepts are very important, trying to distort it is manipulation.
State is the opposite of communism, Communism= community.
Now anarchy means disorder according to other right wing dictionaries, no surprise since the ppl distorts almost every word.

No State at all is the ethical anti-authoritarian society. I'm not a communist BTW

 

[tankasnowgod]

State is the opposite of communism, Communism= community.

Okay, but if you accept that that's how it's being defined in law dictionaries (and it is), you should at the very least make that distinction.

And if you are suggesting it as voluntary on a very small scale (which I am totally in favor of, let anyone opt into or out of such a community on their own, and let it rise or fall on it's success or failure), well then, I don't have any disagreement with you. This would also mean you are against the likes of Stalin and Lenin, correct?

Now anarchy means disorder according to other right wing dictionaries, no surprise since the ppl distorts almost every word.

I'm not familiar with any "right wing" dictionaries. Which dictionary are you referring to?

I don't know if you are aware of Richard Nikoley's blog "Free The Animal," but he considers himself very "right wing" and also an "anarchist." Any thoughts on him?

Free The Animal

 

[MatheusPN]

If you didnt see my last edit, to reply your question here it is: No State at all is the ethical anti-authoritarian society. I'm not a communist BTW.

I don't know if you are aware of Richard Nikoley's blog "Free The Animal," but he considers himself very "right wing" and also an "anarchist." Any thoughts on him?
Free The Animal

IDK anything about him, will take a look later... If he is a right-winger, then he is pro-hierarchy and elitist, right? If so he would love to have a non-anarchical government or believes that someone would seize deservedly the power over ppl lives. Or what part of right-wing he approves or adhere to?
Is he an "ancap" or better he enjoys anti-statism capitalism so therefore he would like to see a privatized kingdom, which would be dominated by the elite/ rich ppl?

Later I will reply better. Was very cool to know some opinions from you, very nice to know that you would be totally in favor, I was surprised!

 

[yerrag]

Coincidentally the right who is into it is practically for the same reason as Nazis.

The majority of "Cultural Marxists", hate/ opposes most things associated with "Cultural Marxism", Marxists and alike also strongly oppose it.
It's extremely illogical how they can put liberal ideologies and Marxist ideologies in the same basket. This demonstrates how they misrepresent things like the Frankfurt School so badly.

I confess to my ignorance on the terms used here. Do you have any online links for me to brush up on these topics. I'm afraid commenting further would not contribute to any clarity on the thread.

 

[MatheusPN]

I confess to my ignorance on the terms used here. Do you have any online links for me to brush up on these topics. I'm afraid commenting further would not contribute to any clarity on the thread.

Nice! :)
About the principal part of the "Cultural Marxists": Culture industry - Wikipedia
"If the worker and his boss enjoy the same television program and visit the same resort places, if the typist is as attractively made up as the daughter of her employer, if the Negro owns a Cadillac, if they all read the same newspaper, then this assimilation indicates not the disappearance of classes, but the extent to which the needs and satisfactions that serve the preservation of the Establishment are shared by the underlying population. -Marcuse

Also take a look at the F (Fascist) scale by Marcuse. Quotes about Culture by Adorno/ Marcuse are also great to understand "Cultural Marxists".

About Nazi-Cultural Marxist connection, take a look at Cultural Bolshevism, "Cultural Marxism" Conspiracy, the FBI-Trotsky-Fascist connection against communism.
Or,
A summary about it, start to read after the third paragraph if you want to be quicker: (BTW I have some reservations against some claims in it)
https://psmag.com/education/jordan-peterson-sliding-toward-fascism
"According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the right-wing theory of cultural Marxism holds that the Jewish, Marxist philosophers of the 1930s Frankfurt School hatched a conspiracy to corrupt American values by promoting sexual liberation and anti-racism. Far-right ideologues like William Lind and Holocaust-denier Kevin MacDonald argue that cultural Marxism is at the root of political correctness."

 

[MatheusPN]

I confess to my ignorance on the terms used here. Do you have any online links for me to brush up on these topics. I'm afraid commenting further would not contribute to any clarity on the thread.

Marxists against identity politics:
"Intersectionality and identity politics allowed the “left” intellectuals a convenient way of deserting the class struggle and abandoning socialism, whilst continuing to pay lip service to “progressive causes”.
Marxism vs Identity Politics

Karl Marx about undermining class struggle:
“A part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society. To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organisers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind. This form of socialism has, moreover, been worked out into complete systems.”

Marcuse was equally and openly against Identity Politics comparing it to a form of opression/ even fascism. The "Cultural Marxist" e.e

 

[yerrag]

Nice! :)
About the principal part of the "Cultural Marxists": Culture industry - Wikipedia
"If the worker and his boss enjoy the same television program and visit the same resort places, if the typist is as attractively made up as the daughter of her employer, if the Negro owns a Cadillac, if they all read the same newspaper, then this assimilation indicates not the disappearance of classes, but the extent to which the needs and satisfactions that serve the preservation of the Establishment are shared by the underlying population. -Marcuse

Also take a look at the F (Fascist) scale by Marcuse. Quotes about Culture by Adorno/ Marcuse are also great to understand "Cultural Marxists".

About Nazi-Cultural Marxist connection, take a look at Cultural Bolshevism, "Cultural Marxism" Conspiracy, the FBI-Trotsky-Fascist connection against communism.
Or,
A summary about it, start to read after the third paragraph if you want to be quicker: (BTW I have some reservations against some claims in it)
https://psmag.com/education/jordan-peterson-sliding-toward-fascism
"According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the right-wing theory of cultural Marxism holds that the Jewish, Marxist philosophers of the 1930s Frankfurt School hatched a conspiracy to corrupt American values by promoting sexual liberation and anti-racism. Far-right ideologues like William Lind and Holocaust-denier Kevin MacDonald argue that cultural Marxism is at the root of political correctness."

Marxists against identity politics:
"Intersectionality and identity politics allowed the “left” intellectuals a convenient way of deserting the class struggle and abandoning socialism, whilst continuing to pay lip service to “progressive causes”.
Marxism vs Identity Politics

Karl Marx about undermining class struggle:
“A part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society. To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organisers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind. This form of socialism has, moreover, been worked out into complete systems.”

Marcuse was equally and openly against Identity Politics comparing it to a form of opression/ even fascism. The "Cultural Marxist" e.e

Thanks MattheusPN! These connects the dots!

 

[Based Kantian]

Today, however, the only thing that matters is to save what is left of personal freedom. Being radical today means being conservative. Because the trend clearly points to the transfer of power from the legislature to the executive, but this means a development towards total bureaucracy.

To protect, preserve, and, where possible, extend the limited and ephemeral freedom of the individual in the face of the growing threat to it is far more urgent a task than to issue abstract denunciations of it or to endanger it by actions that have no hope of success. In totalitarian countries youth is struggling precisely for that autonomy which is under permanent threat in nontotalitarian countries. Whatever the reasons offered in justification, for the left to help the advance of a totalitarian bureaucracy is a pseudorevolution-ary act, and for the right to support the tendency to terrorism is a pseudoconservative act. As recent history proves, both tendencies are really more closely related to each other than to the ideas to which they appeal for support. On the other hand, a true conservatism which takes man's spiritual heritage seriously is more closely related to the revolutionary mentality, which does not simply reject that heritage but absorbs it into a new synthesis, than it is to the radicalism of the Right which seeks to eliminate them both.

Both quotes are from Max Horkheimer, a founder and leader of the "Frankfurt school", which is frequently identified with "cultural marxism"

 

[Based Kantian]

Also take a look at the F (Fascist) scale by Marcuse. Quotes about Culture by Adorno/ Marcuse are also great to understand "Cultural Marxists".

You should give the two essays Resignation and Marginalia to Theory and Praxis in Critical Models a read. Adorno opposed authoritarianism and anti-intellectualism right and left and for that reason became an enemy of the German student movement. A group of female activists in one of his classes bared their breasts and accosted him in protest while another activist wrote "if Adorno is left in peace, capitalism will never cease" on the blackboard. He died of a heart attack soon after this incident. Pic related

 

[Geronimo]

Another ridiculous repetitive misconception forged against communism, so:
Lets differentiate capitalism from most of the socialism philosophy: Private property, Capitalism from personal/ possession property
The capitalist is for the monopolies like Standard Oil, to establish wage slavery while the other is for you, your car, your home and your small business.

Yep, the millions of deaths of Nazis. And you're right, communities with 200 ppl, become masochists and starved themselves like Native Americans while being capable of destroying Nazi Germany. e.e

And you should study if you want to know the non-revolutionary/ non-oppressive rebellions against capitalism, which additionally continue to be successful!

Yeah

 

[Peater]

"It is only by the abolition of the State, by the conquest of perfect liberty by the individual, by free agreement, association, and absolute free federation that we can reach Communism — the possession in common of our social inheritance, and the production in common of all riches." -Piotr Kropotkin

Oh more "real communism has never been tried" pabulum

I am anti-authoritian which is why i loathe commies. Free helicopter rides is all they deserve. Before another few million people are needlessly killed in the next iteration.

 

[Whichway?]

Oh more "real communism has never been tried" pabulum

I am anti-authoritian which is why i loathe commies. Free helicopter rides is all they deserve. Before another few million people are needlessly killed in the next iteration.

I think it is a fair point that the communism that was implemented in Russia and China wasn't the Communism that its originators envisioned.

Maybe in the future an AI will adjudicate among humans for the fairest distributive outcomes. Until then the survival of the fittest competitive model looks like it will predominate.

 

[Peater]

I think it is a fair point that the communism that was implemented in Russia and China wasn't the Communism that its originators envisioned.

Maybe in the future an AI will adjudicate among humans for the fairest distributive outcomes. Until then the survival of the fittest competitive model looks like it will predominate.

I am not Superman (Far from it) and would still rather live in model B than model A.

Do you not find the idea of some monolithic AI, programmed by who knows, deciding what allowances you get this month, terrifying? No saturated fat or dairy for you either, the AI has decided it's bad for you. Have some soymeal friend in canola, comrade.

Fans of communism need to ease up on the 5HTP...

 

[Whichway?]

I am not Superman (Far from it) and would still rather live in model B than model A.

Do you not find the idea of some monolithic AI, programmed by who knows, deciding what allowances you get this month, terrifying? No saturated fat or dairy for you either, the AI has decided it's bad for you. Have some soymeal friend in canola, comrade.

Fans of communism need to ease up on the 5HTP...

No it’s not an idea I would welcome. I guess I only thought of it as I think the ideals of Communism seem so perfectionist and idealized and removed from the drivers of human society that I don’t think any human society would ever really be able to live that way. Of course we will fall far short (for good reasons) and we would get far less idealised versions like we saw in the USSR, China, Vietnam, etc.

I thought of the AI as a possibility in some far off future as I don’t think any humans are capable of running a communist regime without being corrupted by the power and abusing it.

 

[Peater]

No it’s not an idea I would welcome. I guess I only thought of it as I think the ideals of Communism seem so perfectionist and idealized and removed from the drivers of human society that I don’t think any human society would ever really be able to live that way. Of course we will fall far short (for good reasons) and we would get far less idealised versions like we saw in the USSR, China, Vietnam, etc.

I thought of the AI as a possibility in some far off future as I don’t think any humans are capable of running a communist regime without being corrupted by the power and abusing it.

Exactly mate. History shows us people are always promised a Utopia/Worker's Paradise...we just need to kill groups a/b/c...oh and now d/e/f...and lastly x/y/z and THEN we will live in bliss.

Perceive. Think. Act. becomes Ignore. Believe. Obey.

I understand you meant a theoretical AI, but that would still have it's inputs and algorithms programmed by humans. I once read an unusual but fascinating book called "Welcome to the Divide" and it ultimately alludes to a supercomputer network over seeing communism...the programmer saves one for himself and lets it decide for itself.

The communist computers see only in terms of "We are all one" (No divisions)
The isolated supercomputer comes to the conclusion "I am" (The divide)

 

[GelatinGoblin]

I continue to come to the conclusion that Christian Communism is the future

 

[Summer]

Marxists against identity politics:
"Intersectionality and identity politics allowed the “left” intellectuals a convenient way of deserting the class struggle and abandoning socialism, whilst continuing to pay lip service to “progressive causes”.
Marxism vs Identity Politics

Karl Marx about undermining class struggle:
“A part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society. To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organisers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind. This form of socialism has, moreover, been worked out into complete systems.”

Marcuse was equally and openly against Identity Politics comparing it to a form of opression/ even fascism. The "Cultural Marxist" e.e

The irony being that Marx is essentially describing himself here.