Book Banning, The New Burning?

[Spokey]

Forrest Maready is an independent voice in the wilderness of our great internet who's produced a lot of work while researching vaccines. He wrote a book. I have no idea what exactly is in it, and I have no idea if he's right about it, but various forces are trying to get his book banned on Amazon.

It strikes me that getting books banned is a level of authoritarian I've yet to witness. It's arguably worse than burning them.

Here's the book that's causing all the 'trouble'
"The Autism Vaccine" Book Alerts

 

[lampofred]

Trying to ban a book is nothing but a sure-fire way of getting more people to read it, especially in the Internet age where it's pretty much impossible to actually truly ban anything, which makes me think it could just be a marketing ploy (cynical, I know)

 

[tankasnowgod]

Forrest Maready is an independent voice in the wilderness of our great internet who's produced a lot of work while researching vaccines. He wrote a book. I have no idea what exactly is in it, and I have no idea if he's right about it, but various forces are trying to get his book banned on Amazon.

It strikes me that getting books banned is a level of authoritarian I've yet to witness. It's arguably worse than burning them.

Here's the book that's causing all the 'trouble'
"The Autism Vaccine" Book Alerts

Well, techniques like this have been going on for decades, but they are just becoming more noticeable and out in the open now. I heard Brice Taylor (aka Sue Ford) talk about some of these techniques. She mentioned Walter Bowart, who wrote the book "Operation Mind Control" back in the 70's, all about how mind control techniques had been developed and used by various intelligence agencies (both military, and the more privately owned ones, like the CIA and NSA).

His book was released, and was actually a best seller, but most people in the general public didn't know about it or read it, because the CIA went to bookstores and purchased every available copy. It achieves the same result that an outright ban aims to, but it's a much more stealth way to do it.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Trying to ban a book is nothing but a sure-fire way of getting more people to read it, especially in the Internet age where it's pretty much impossible to actually truly ban anything, which makes me think it could just be a marketing ploy (cynical, I know)

Maybe, if the ban itself is advertised enough. But there is so much information out there, it's easy for anything to get covered up or lost nowadays. Even filtering through all the content on a single major website (take your pick of Twitter, Wikipedia, Facebook, Youtube) would take multiple centuries, maybe multiple millennia (or longer) to filter through, even if no more content was added from here on. Would you even notice if a random tweet/article/video was silently scrubbed while going through that process? It could easily have the effect of throwing your keys off a ship in the middle of the ocean. Good luck ever finding them again.

 

[Spokey]

Trying to ban a book is nothing but a sure-fire way of getting more people to read it, especially in the Internet age where it's pretty much impossible to actually truly ban anything, which makes me think it could just be a marketing ploy (cynical, I know)

I would be unsurprised if the gentlemen in question was attempting to live off his enemy.

 

[jzeno]

America is more authoritarian as of late then most people realize as it's under-reported in the media I would guess.

People (mostly conservative) are getting banned on social media platforms, Twitter, FB, YouTube, and Patreon.

Google, Facebook, Twitter, Apple 'censored' the right: suit​

Stripe, PayPal, Patreon: The Right Is Being Banned from Online Fundraising | Breitbart​

SPLC targets the loosely defined "hate" groups. PayPal, Apple and other large companies are using the information presented by SPLC to disbar people from using their services which have been deemed "hateful".

Apple, J.P. Morgan and the Southern Poverty Law Center's 'hate list': What are gifts to the SPLC really telling customers?​

Chase bank was recently in the media for closing an individual's account who was a ranking member in the group Proud Boys (no reason given publicly as of yet)

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/chase-bank-shuts-down-proud-boys-leaders-personal-bank-account/​

Amazon is banning authors from using their platform to sell material based upon their opinion.

Amazon self-published authors: Our books were banned for no reason​

All in all--not good for free speech in America to be honest.

Its important to note that according to the Constitution, hate speech is free speech

Hate speech in the United States - Wikipedia​

Leftists are trying to outlaw guns and "hate" speech which is a slippery slope to authoritarianism. What is "hate" speech? It's so loose that it ultimately comes down to "hate speech is any speech I do not approve of". Who is I? Whoever (person or party) happens to be in power. Terrible precedent for a free society. Completely antithesis of freedom, which is the legal precedent set in this country since the beginning and therefore is the essence of American society. Flipping this--changing public opinion through private companies censoring it's users and slowly changing public opinion until far left Justices make their way to the Supreme Court and then contradict the Constitution and agree that Hate Speech is illegal in the US--would completely undermine everything that has been accomplished in America up to this point and set us off in a completely different, much less free, much less prosperous direction.

People on the left will probably disagree with me but free speech and gun ownership (self defense) are the bedrock of freedom--hence they are the first and second on the Bill of Rights. Most important two to a free society.

 

[Christopher R.]

Just as books and movies on the Catholic Church's condemned list became essentially a reading list for freethinkers, and the 1990s 'Parental Advisory: Explicit Content' sticker became a badge of honour for many music artists, perhaps "Banned By Amazon" will be a label that authors in the future will covet.

 

[Spokey]

Leftists are trying to outlaw guns and "hate" speech which is a slippery slope to authoritarianism. What is "hate" speech? It's so loose that it ultimately comes down to "hate speech is any speech I do not approve of".

This is happening in the UK too. People are being arrested for saying things deemed unpc. Very worrying.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Just as books and movies on the Catholic Church's condemned list became essentially a reading list for freethinkers, and the 1990s 'Parental Advisory: Explicit Content' sticker became a badge of honour for many music artists, perhaps "Banned By Amazon" will be a label that authors in the future will covet.

Again, this only happens if the ban itself is advertised, as was the case in the examples you give.

 

[charlie]

This is happening in the UK too. People are being arrested for saying things deemed unpc. Very worrying.

The one world communistic beast system of Revelation 13 is rising. Fear not, a deadly wound to the beast is in the Works.

 

[postman]

Pro-vaxxers are insane. People are waking up to the lies so now they're doubling down with hardcore tyranny. Mandatory vaccinations, banning books and blacklisting people, some loonies even want to make vaccine criticism illegal.

 

[tankasnowgod]

The one world communistic beast system of Revelation 13 is rising. Fear not, a deadly wound to the beast is in the Works.

By the way, have you ever read any of William Guy Carr's books? So much of what you are talking about lines up really well with "Pawns in the Game."

 

[charlie]

By the way, have you ever read any of William Guy Carr's books?

No, never heard of him. Everything is going down exactly as Written. Exciting times!

 

[sunraiser]

This is happening in the UK too. People are being arrested for saying things deemed unpc. Very worrying.

To be clear, what's happening in the UK has nothing to do with the left wing, communism or authoritarianism.

People are being labelled as anti semetic for criticising the israeli government and speaking out against their actions and motives with the zionist lobby in the US.

This is solely coming from the right wing libertarian media and it's a device to derail and debase the labour party for political purposes. It has nothing to do with authority or antisemitism, it's merely a tactic.

With regards to outlawing guns, it's simply because there are far less shootings and deaths when guns are outlawed. The intention of the bill of rights was to protect citizens from government tyranny. Try using your right to have a gun on a policeman, even in self defence, and see how well that goes.

I think labelling common sense decision making as "authoritarianism" is both paranoid but also anti-humanity.

There is a literal real world example of gun control changes working incredibly to save lives - watch this video :

 

[tankasnowgod]

With regards to outlawing guns, it's simply because there are far less shootings and deaths when guns are outlawed. The intention of the bill of rights was to protect citizens from government tyranny. Try using your right to have a gun on a policeman, even in self defence, and see how well that goes.

Literally no truth to this. If you look at the place on Earth with the most guns and fewest gun restrictions on the planet (specifically, Plano TX, where there are 7 guns per person), not only do you have fewer shooting deaths, but you have the 7th lowest homicide rate on the planet.

Staying within the US, all of the cities that have the most restrictive gun control laws, all have the most violent crime as well.

If you look at the UK, where guns are banned, yeah, you have fewer shooting deaths.... but stabbing deaths and acid attacks are through the roof.

And apparently, you haven't been paying any attention in Venezuela. The gun confiscation a few years ago was leading up to government assassination squads happening RIGHT NOW.

I like how the link that you gave as "proof" to your argument was a stand up comedy skit.

 

[Kratos]

The US government has a clear agenda going on the past 6 months especially, and only the people that haven't been zombified are aware.

 

[tankasnowgod]

The US government has a clear agenda going on the past 6 months especially, and only the people that haven't been zombified are aware.

6 months? Try since 1913, at least.

 

[sunraiser]

Literally no truth to this. If you look at the place on Earth with the most guns and fewest gun restrictions on the planet (specifically, Plano TX, where there are 7 guns per person), not only do you have fewer shooting deaths, but you have the 7th lowest homicide rate on the planet.

Staying within the US, all of the cities that have the most restrictive gun control laws, all have the most violent crime as well.

If you look at the UK, where guns are banned, yeah, you have fewer shooting deaths.... but stabbing deaths and acid attacks are through the roof.

And apparently, you haven't been paying any attention in Venezuela. The gun confiscation a few years ago was leading up to government assassination squads happening RIGHT NOW.

I like how the link that you gave as "proof" to your argument was a stand up comedy skit.

I googled Plano and it has a much higher cost of living than the average in US. Violent crime is correlated to desperation and poverty, not small well off cities in texas. This is so completely and utterly cherry picked that it adds nothing to the argument.

Acid attacks are not "through the roof" in the UK. Violent crime is up, yes, but guns would just mean it was easier to kill people via said violent crime.

We've had 10 years of austerity in the UK that has seen social infrastructure and support systems completely eroded, so violent crime and desperation is far higher. Wages haven't risen in line with cost of living to add to this.

I have been paying attention to Venezuela and the lead up to the situation is far more complex than your anti socialist agenda would dictate. The country was growing and starting to thrive under the previous government but they relied entirely on oil exports... As soon as the prices got slashed they were in huge trouble.

The reason you're seeing such a concerted media effort regarding venezuela on your beloved fox news is because they have the biggest oil reserves in the world. Its not humanitarian in the slightest, it's same ***t, different day.

Same as Libya, Iraq, Syria... If governments don't play ball in resource trading with the West then it's destabilise and get a puppet government in power to trade under our terms. The people they supported for this purpose in Syria turned into ISIS.

There isn't any point in us discussing this, though. To me you're a product of the hard wired American propaganda system of freedom and worshipping the flag, and to you I'm an authoritarian that doesn't value what you perceive to be freedom.

 

[tankasnowgod]

I googled Plano and it has a much higher cost of living than the average in US. Violent crime is correlated to desperation and poverty, not small well off cities in texas. This is so completely and utterly cherry picked that it adds nothing to the argument.

Acid attacks are not "through the roof" in the UK. Violent crime is up, yes, but guns would just mean it was easier to kill people via said violent crime.

We've had 10 years of austerity in the UK that has seen social infrastructure and support systems completely eroded, so violent crime and desperation is far higher. Wages haven't risen in line with cost of living to add to this.

I have been paying attention to Venezuela and the lead up to the situation is far more complex than your anti socialist agenda would dictate. The country was growing and starting to thrive under the previous government but they relied entirely on oil exports... As soon as the prices got slashed they were in huge trouble.

The reason you're seeing such a concerted media effort regarding venezuela on your beloved fox news is because they have the biggest oil reserves in the world. Its not humanitarian in the slightest, it's same ***t, different day.

Same as Libya, Iraq, Syria... If governments don't play ball in resource trading with the West then it's destabilise and get a puppet government in power to trade under our terms. The people they supported for this purpose in Syria turned into ISIS.

There isn't any point in us discussing this, though. To me you're a product of the hard wired American propaganda system of freedom and worshipping the flag, and to you I'm an authoritarian that doesn't value what you perceive to be freedom.

It is funny that you agree that Plano is safe despite having many guns, and that violent crime is up in the UK despite banning guns, but the inverse relation couldn't possibly be causal because, well, you said it's not. So I guess if you are making that claim that "Gun Control Always Lowers Violent Crime, Except When It Doesn't For Other Reasons," well, you can't really be incorrect.

I also don't understand why if simply banning guns and making them illegal is so effective, why don't we just ban murder and assault and rape and robbery and such? That would get rid of all the negatives of someone harming others without stepping on an individual's freedom to protect themselves, right?

Truthfully, I really don't understand why anyone on the Ray Peat Forum (of all places) would spend time defending government programs. I think we all agree that they screwed up health and nutrition, big time. You really think they have an individual's "best interest" in mind? Governments across the globe murdered more that 260 Million people in the 20th century (not including wars)- 20th Century Democide

My favorite quick and dirty breakdown of the stats on Guns Control and Gun Violence is this article- Gun Control: The TL;DR For The Ignorant and Illiterate

With the overall points being-

"— America has about 357 Millon guns amongst a population of 312 Millon.

— In total, there are 32,000 deaths per year from firearms, 60% being suicide.

— Stripping out small numbers of both accidents (under 1,000) and justified shootings (just over 1,000), leaves 33% being homicide.

— But 80% of the homicides are from inner-city, gang related activities (to which drug laws likely contribute a great deal), and all of them are cities that have been in the hands of leftist, socialist, gun-grabbing Democrats for decades. Every single one.

— We’re left with about 1,700 homicides in a population of 312 million that are predators preying on innocents.

— That’s 0.00000544871795 or .00054%. And this is what everyone’s all up in arms about?"

I don't watch Fox News, and I certainly wouldn't call them "beloved." You make a lot of assumptions about people you don't even know.

By the way, I don't think you're an authoritarian. Authoritarians usually have a position of power over people, generally government officials,, and I don't think you are one. I just think you are someone who fell for an establishment narrative, is ignorant of the subject you are speaking about, and that you don't even value your own rights or freedoms.

 

[TeaRex14]

Not good to hear, I've always feared they would start trying to ban certain books and literature. Something controversial like vaccines is always a good place to start too. I recommend getting the book where ever you can find it and never get rid of it. I'm never selling any of my books, I got a lot of ancap books dealing with economics and political philosophy that would likely get banned if censorship and authoritarianism keeps progressing.