2,800 People Died Yesterday In The US From COVID-19

[Peatogenic]

For the past five days there have been more than 1,500 deaths per day in the US. I know that the CDC doesn't really recommend doing autopsies of these people and that deaths can be overreported, that there can be all manner of incompetence, but if we are repeatedly using CDC flu data as comparisons, COVID-19 is more than just "a bad flu year" (as Dr. Fauci predicted in February (not March)). This post is not arguing for or against lockdown measures.

 

[Inaut]

yawn

 

[boris]

Is Protocol-Driven COVID-19 Ventilation Doing More Harm Than Good?
Ventilation is part of the standard protocol. Dr. Luciano Gattinoni noticed that in one hospital they have 0% mortality rate and a nearby hospital has 60% mortality rate. The hospital with 60% deaths follows the standard ventilation protocoll, the hospital with 0% deaths does not.



Facts about Covid-19
"According to leading lung specialists, invasive ventilation of Covid19 patients is often counterproductive and causes additional damage to the lungs. The invasive ventilation of Covid19 patients is partly done out of fear of spreading the virus through aerosols."

"In a new document on the treatment of Covid19 patients, the chief of pneumology and intensive care at Eastern Virginia Medical School states: „It is important to recognize that COVID-19 does not cause your “typical ARDS” (lung failure) … this disease must be treated differently and it is likely we are exacerbating this situation by causing ventilator induced lung injury.“"

"Ventilation with Covid19
There has been and still is a worldwide rush for ventilators for Covid19 patients. This site was one of the first in the world to draw attention to the fact that invasive ventilation (intubation) may be counterproductive in many cases and may cause additional harm to patients.
Invasive ventilation was originally recommended because low oxygen levels led to the false conclusion of acute respiratory (lung) failure, and there was a fear that with more gentle, non-invasive techniques the virus could spread through aerosols.
In the meantime, several leading pulmonologists and intensive care physicians from the US and Europe have spoken out against invasive ventilation and recommend more gentle methods or indeed oxygen therapy, as already successfully used by South Korea.

• Why Some Doctors Are Now Moving Away From Ventilator Treatments (TIME)
• Ventilators aren’t a panacea for a pandemic like coronavirus (Dr. Matt Strauss)
• With ventilators running out, doctors say the machines are overused for Covid-19
• Covid-19 Does Not Lead to a “Typical” Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ATSJ)
• Do COVID-19 Ventilator Protocols Need a Second Look? (Medscape)
• German: „Too often intubation and invasive ventilation is used“ (Dr. Thomas Voshaar)
• German: COVID-19: Ventilation – and then what? (DocCheck)"

"On the basis of information from China, medical protocols have been defined worldwide that rapidly provide invasive artificial respiration by intubation for test-positive intensive care patients. On the one hand, the protocols assume that a more gentle non-invasive ventilation through a mask is too weak, on the other hand there is the fear that the „dangerous virus“ could otherwise spread through aerosols. As early as March, however, German physicians pointed out that intubation can lead to additional lung damage and has an overall poor chance of success. In the meantime, US physicians have also come forward who describe intubation as „more harm than good“ for patients. Patients often do not suffer from acute lung failure, but rather from a kind of altitude sickness, which is made worse by artificial respiration with increased pressure. In February, South Korean physicians reported that critical Covid19 patients respond well to oxygen therapy without a ventilator. The US physician mentioned above warns that the use of ventilators must be urgently reconsidered in order not to cause additional damage."

 

[Peatogenic]

Is Protocol-Driven COVID-19 Ventilation Doing More Harm Than Good?
Ventilation is part of the standard protocol. Dr. Luciano Gattinoni noticed that in one hospital they have 0% mortality rate and a nearby hospital has 60% mortality rate. The hospital with 60% deaths follows the standard ventilation protocoll, the hospital with 0% deaths does not.



Facts about Covid-19
"According to leading lung specialists, invasive ventilation of Covid19 patients is often counterproductive and causes additional damage to the lungs. The invasive ventilation of Covid19 patients is partly done out of fear of spreading the virus through aerosols."

"In a new document on the treatment of Covid19 patients, the chief of pneumology and intensive care at Eastern Virginia Medical School states: „It is important to recognize that COVID-19 does not cause your “typical ARDS” (lung failure) … this disease must be treated differently and it is likely we are exacerbating this situation by causing ventilator induced lung injury.“"

"Ventilation with Covid19
There has been and still is a worldwide rush for ventilators for Covid19 patients. This site was one of the first in the world to draw attention to the fact that invasive ventilation (intubation) may be counterproductive in many cases and may cause additional harm to patients.
Invasive ventilation was originally recommended because low oxygen levels led to the false conclusion of acute respiratory (lung) failure, and there was a fear that with more gentle, non-invasive techniques the virus could spread through aerosols.
In the meantime, several leading pulmonologists and intensive care physicians from the US and Europe have spoken out against invasive ventilation and recommend more gentle methods or indeed oxygen therapy, as already successfully used by South Korea.

• Why Some Doctors Are Now Moving Away From Ventilator Treatments (TIME)
• Ventilators aren’t a panacea for a pandemic like coronavirus (Dr. Matt Strauss)
• With ventilators running out, doctors say the machines are overused for Covid-19
• Covid-19 Does Not Lead to a “Typical” Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ATSJ)
• Do COVID-19 Ventilator Protocols Need a Second Look? (Medscape)
• German: „Too often intubation and invasive ventilation is used“ (Dr. Thomas Voshaar)
• German: COVID-19: Ventilation – and then what? (DocCheck)"

"On the basis of information from China, medical protocols have been defined worldwide that rapidly provide invasive artificial respiration by intubation for test-positive intensive care patients. On the one hand, the protocols assume that a more gentle non-invasive ventilation through a mask is too weak, on the other hand there is the fear that the „dangerous virus“ could otherwise spread through aerosols. As early as March, however, German physicians pointed out that intubation can lead to additional lung damage and has an overall poor chance of success. In the meantime, US physicians have also come forward who describe intubation as „more harm than good“ for patients. Patients often do not suffer from acute lung failure, but rather from a kind of altitude sickness, which is made worse by artificial respiration with increased pressure. In February, South Korean physicians reported that critical Covid19 patients respond well to oxygen therapy without a ventilator. The US physician mentioned above warns that the use of ventilators must be urgently reconsidered in order not to cause additional damage."

Thanks.

 

[S.Seneff]

According the WHO chief, sars-cov 2 is 10 times worse than the flu.

I don't investigate this side but perhaps ventilatings people without CO2 is very harmfull and could potentialy contribute to a greater mortality.

 

[boris]

[Original question is on wearing masks for prolonged periods of time]
Dr. Peat:

The effort of breathing increases lung stress—stretch and compression—increasing nitric oxide and other inflammation signals, similar to the effects of the virus.

Hospital ventilators are killing tens of thousands.
Luciano Gattinoni, in Germany, says that one nearby hospital has a 0% mortality rate from the virus, and another has a 60% rate, one avoiding the “standard ventilation protocol."

 

[boris]

I know that the CDC doesn't really recommend doing autopsies of these people and that deaths can be overreported, that there can be all manner of incompetence, but if we are repeatedly using CDC flu data as comparisons, COVID-19 is more than just "a bad flu year" (as Dr. Fauci predicted in February (not March)). This post is not arguing for or against lockdown measures.

It's the same here about the autopsies. The RKI (german CDC) recommends to not do autopsies and count every COVID patient that dies as COVID death.

Despite the German CDC's formal recommendation to pathologists not to examine post-mortem alleged covid-19 dead, Professor Klaus Püschel, head of forensic medicine in Hamburg, did just this: He examined them all. He says that understanding how patients died gives important insights for the treatment of the sick.

He found that all of them had severe underlying diseases, though some didn't know. For them the virus has only been the last straw. About 20% of the examined died of causes that are completely unrelated to the virus. Püschel says that we don't need to be scared to death. "This is an infectious disease like the many we have known for years. We have had them in the past. We will have them in the future. When it comes to the risk the virus poses on the individual there is nothing special."



“This virus influences our lives in a completely excessive way [which] is disproportionate to the danger posed by the virus… [likewise] the astronomical economic damage now being caused is not commensurate with the danger posed by the virus. I am convinced that the corona mortality rate will not even show up as a peak in annual mortality.” He states that in Hamburg for example, “not a single person who was not previously ill had died of the virus: all those we have examined so far had cancer, a chronic lung disease, were heavy smokers or severely obese, suffered from diabetes or had a cardiovascular disease. The virus was the last straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak. Covid-19 is a fatal disease only in exceptional cases, but in most cases it is a predominantly harmless viral infection.”

pressreader.com/germany/hamburger-morgenpost

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[German CDC counts everyone who died with the virus as covid-19 death.]

 

[Peatogenic]

Anyone know if Flu has ventilator use?

 

[Inaut]

It's the same here about the autopsies. The RKI (german CDC) recommends to not do autopsies and count every COVID patient that dies as COVID death.

You are doing the lord's work here @boris Thanks

 

[boris]

Thanks @Inaut !

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The way the media reports is sensational and misleading too. When the height of infections was already over they still reported about the constantly rising number of infections. What was actually rising was the number of people being tested.

(From RKI. 2nd row: number of tests per week. 3rd row: positive tests.)

I think it's clear how media tries to spread fear for whatever reason.
There is a paper from the ministry of the interior on how to communicate on the virus and it specifically says to produce a shock reaction and induce fear of suffocating.
Corona-Strategie des Innenministeriums: Wer Gefahr abwenden will, muss sie kennen

Corona quarantine can induce anxiety, depression and sleeplessness.
"The emotional stress can also take the form of physical complaints such as palpitations, shortness of breath, chest tightness, gastrointestinal complaints, dizziness, headache"
Corona-Quarantäne kann Angstzustände auslösen - BMBF

I think counting in all the stress factors, wrong treatments, and wrong diagnosis can account for the higher rate of deaths compared to flu.

 

[Peatogenic]

According the WHO chief, sars-cov 2 is 10 times worse than the flu.

I don't investigate this side but perhaps ventilatings people without CO2 is very harmfull and could potentialy contribute to a greater mortality.

The Flu season is 13 weeks and often includes pneumonia in death counts. Even at worst estimated in recent memory (60,000), COVID-19 is already at the average flu deaths over past 5 years in half the time. It would have to dramatically drop off right now to be called a bad flu year, but that's not likely....at least not dramatically.

 

[LucyL]

Anyone know if Flu has ventilator use?

According to this modeling attempt, there was an assumption made that .5 % of flu ICU hospitalizations would require ventilation
Stockpiling Ventilators for Influenza Pandemics
see Table 1

It seems like the ventilation rate for COVID is higher - if you're in the ICU because of COVID 19 you are probably ventilated. Which would be expected as this virus targets the respiratory system.

 

[mrchibbs]

For the past five days there have been more than 1,500 deaths per day in the US. I know that the CDC doesn't really recommend doing autopsies of these people and that deaths can be overreported, that there can be all manner of incompetence, but if we are repeatedly using CDC flu data as comparisons, COVID-19 is more than just "a bad flu year" (as Dr. Fauci predicted in February (not March)). This post is not arguing for or against lockdown measures.

I don't know about the US specifically, but I did a few quick calculations for Canada, and a few things seem off to me.

The number of dead every year from influenza, pneumonia etc. is much much higher than the total deaths from covid19 (i.e. not even close). This year the number of deaths by influenza/pneumonia has plunged...you guess it, every death is now automatically covid19 basically. Almost every case involves people with other severe diseases like diabetes or emphysema. Yes there have been exceptions and young people have died, but a few young people die from ***t like this every year too.

From what we know on this site, there are plenty of ways to protect/heal from covid19, and one aspect is that people's vitamin D levels drop precipitously within 1st 2 days in hospital, and many get put on ventilators by well-meaning but ill-advised doctors.

I don't doubt that there is a virus which can lead to fatalities. But I think certain people have been pushing the envelope so much, both for good and ill intent.

 

[InChristAlone]

You have to understand, hospitals are required to follow protocols even if the protocols are killing people. They are not allowed to use the bipap machines because it could "blow the virus all around", so they wait til the patient is gravely ill and then intubate them which is extremely traumatic. Respiratory nurses are reporting this is crazy.

 

[charlie]

For the past five days there have been more than 1,500 deaths per day in the US. I know that the CDC doesn't really recommend doing autopsies of these people and that deaths can be overreported, that there can be all manner of incompetence, but if we are repeatedly using CDC flu data as comparisons, COVID-19 is more than just "a bad flu year" (as Dr. Fauci predicted in February (not March)). This post is not arguing for or against lockdown measures.

Have you listened to Ray Peat's latest interview?

 

[boris]

Yes there have been exceptions and young people have died, but a few young people die from ***t like this every year too.

Facts about Covid-19
"Many media reports of young and healthy people dying from Covid19 have proven to be false upon closer inspection. Many of these people either did not die from Covid19 or they in fact had serious preconditions (such as undiagnosed leukaemia)."

I think you are right. Do these mysterious young deaths happen from the flu too, but it just doesn't get reported on so heavily?

 

[Beastmode]

Dying from and dying with are 2 totally different things.

If there was an accurate list of everyone who died and what their health history was, lifestyle, etc we might be able to get somewhere. I have a strong feeling we would get somewhere that's a lot more in line with what Peat and other "health" promoting teachers actually say.

Correlation does not = causation.

 

[Peatogenic]

Have you listened to Ray Peat's latest interview?

yes, when it came out.

 

[Peatogenic]

I don't know about the US specifically, but I did a few quick calculations for Canada, and a few things seem off to me.

The number of dead every year from influenza, pneumonia etc. is much much higher than the total deaths from covid19 (i.e. not even close). This year the number of deaths by influenza/pneumonia has plunged...you guess it, every death is now automatically covid19 basically. Almost every case involves people with other severe diseases like diabetes or emphysema. Yes there have been exceptions and young people have died, but a few young people die from ***t like this every year too.

From what we know on this site, there are plenty of ways to protect/heal from covid19, and one aspect is that people's vitamin D levels drop precipitously within 1st 2 days in hospital, and many get put on ventilators by well-meaning but ill-advised doctors.

I don't doubt that there is a virus which can lead to fatalities. But I think certain people have been pushing the envelope so much, both for good and ill intent.

This year, the CDC estimated 18,000 deaths from flu in US. They also acknowledge that COVID likely skewed the number tested.

 

[Peatogenic]

You have to understand, hospitals are required to follow protocols even if the protocols are killing people. They are not allowed to use the bipap machines because it could "blow the virus all around", so they wait til the patient is gravely ill and then intubate them which is extremely traumatic. Respiratory nurses are reporting this is crazy.

Yes, I mention in my post that the numbers are high regardless of incompetence or not. I expect there will be many malpractice lawsuits.