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Ray Peat Diet, Food Choices, And General Guidelines

Discussion in 'Diet, Recipes' started by charlie, Jul 19, 2012.

  1. heartnhands

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    Please explain how a pound of protein as meat makes 80 to 100 grams? When I do the math I divide 160z by .035274 which gives 45grams....Please forgive me I'm so rusty on math and it throws me when I can't understand things that are meant to be specific. Thanks so much for the help!
     
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    I figure
    Meat is roughly 20% protein (eg Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Beef, bottom sirloin, tri-tip, separable lean only, trimmed to 0" fat, select, raw [URMIS [HASHTAG]#1429[/HASHTAG]]),
    A pound is about 450g,
    20% of 450g = 90g

    A little more protein than a dozen eggs.
     
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    Luckily for me, I live in "The Dairy State". I have access to Raw Goat Cheese at 12$/lb.

    I still cannot understand his avoidance of leaves/plants. Are the plant-protective phytotoxins really that terrible?

    I'll search his website for this. I know about the goitregens, but what about Arugula and Spinach? Raw leaves are a huge part of the diet for so many mammalian species.

    I am a fruit/leaves/cheese/coconut/almond kinda-guy.
     
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    Wow! Nice list. And this was from 2012? Thanks for putting it together, Charlie! Knowing so much needs to change in what I eat, I am stressed- in a good way.
     
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    Leaves are probably designed to defend themselves from excessive mammalian grazing.
    My reading of Peat says is that he does not favour eating much raw leafy salad, or making leaves a major source of calories. But he's said a few favourable things about well-boiled veges and especially broth from leafy greens - they can be a good source of magnesium. He has specifically mentioned spinach as good food if it is not nitrate heavy from fertilisation.
     
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    Thank u @charlie it's interesting
     
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    Hi All,

    New member here. This forum is a great resource, so much information and insight into all things Peat. I haven't had much to say yet, since anything I could think of seems to have been covered, so much appreciation for all the thoughtful posts.

    Though many have stated on here that there is no set Peat diet, I think it's clear that are specific guidelines that Dr. Peat has reiterated again and again from articles and interviews: avoid PUFA, coconut oil is great, dairy (provided the cows don't eat a primarily soy/corn diet) is an excellent source of protein, eggs (again non-soy/corn fed), shellfish and non-fatty fish are beneficial for protein, minimize muscle meats/or consume with gelatin, fruits best source of carbs with protein: oj, tropical fruits best. I have adopted these principles over the past month gradually and am feeling much better. I have clearer thoughts, less anxiety and agitation, and my gastritis that I battled earlier this year doesn't seem to cause me trouble - I'm even having orange juice and coffee in the morning, two acidic foods which are advised not to take with gastritis. So overall a success and I feel nourished. It seems one can get deeper into the so-called Peat protocol, but I've found that just a few dietary tweaks as outlined above can make a world of difference.

    I wanted to comment on hummus: it typically uses a large amount of tahini, which is ground up sesame seeds. This would add a large amount of poly-unsaturated fat, so I am not sure why hummus would be recommended.
     
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    I know that you know I am new to this forum. So bare with me please. I am not sure how long ago these are posted. However, is there a Ray Peat diet plan that is more specific with amounts, kinda like a meal plan? Also, when RP drinks milk, does he add 1 tbs of sugar as Danny Roddy's suggestion. I am sorry, This is just so much for me to digest, all the information. I am a step 1, 2, 3 person. Thanks for any insite on this.
     
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    should I avoid my Omega 3 pills / capsules? :(
     
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    Depends, why are you taking them? The Omega 3 fats are still PUFA, and most readily breakdown into toxic byproducts.
     
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    then readily İ will avoid them
     
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    Diet Recovery 2: Restoring Mind and Metabolism from Dieting, Weight Loss, Exercise, and Healthy Food - 180 Degree Health

    “It’s extremely hard to figure out whether or not something is good or bad for you based on purely intellectual reasoning. Think coffee is bad for you? Well, there is a lot of good information about coffee being healthy. There is a lot of information and justification for it being unhealthy. I’ve been studying health and nutrition intensely for a decade, and you know what, I’m not sure if coffee is healthy or not. Or sugar. Or alcohol. Or chocolate. Or grains. Or legumes. Or meat. Or probiotics. Or vegetables. Or fruit. Or dairy.

    I used to be able to give a definitive answer on each one of those things, but now I can’t. I simply know too much to be sure, as there are numerous justifications for or against each one of the things I just listed. If you are sure about one of the above-listed things, that’s because you’ve ingested one set of information and haven’t investigated the other side of the story. If you had, you would be equally as unsure as I am.

    And even with things that we can all intellectually agree is unhealthy, such as a meal at McDonald’s, there will be literally thousands of people that read this book who are freezing cold, or haven’t slept through the night in years, or who are suffering from anxiety, yada yada. And most of those health-conscious people wouldn’t DARE eat at McDonald’s. But, to their surprise, they might find almost immediate relief from their health condition(s) if they were to go pig out on 2-3 double Cheeseburgers, an apple pie or two, and an ice cold Coke from none other than the infamous Mickey D’s. Why? Because the calorie-density, digestibility, and salt and sugar-heavy load of a McDonald’s meal is unparalleled. And for someone in a really low metabolic state, this can literally be the most therapeutic of all combinations. You might heal faster eating at McDonald’s than trying to do it on organic, unrefined, wholesome, and nutritious food because such food is not as calorie-dense, has a higher water content, has more fiber, and is just too damn filling and unexciting to foster the same level of calorie consumption.

    So the unknowns about what is and isn’t healthy for an individual at any given moment are so vast that they are beyond our ability to neatly file into categories of “good” and “bad.”

    I am quite serious about all this. I love the shocking but I’m truly not saying this for shock value. It would be easier to be liked and for this book to be well-received by continuing to re-affirm your beliefs about what is and isn’t healthy, because when someone says something is healthy that you think isn’t, you react with serious objection. And in this case, that objection is directed towards me. But my goal is not to be liked. My goal here is to provide accurate, truthful, and unbiased information based on my wealth of study and experience. Most of you reading this don’t need to hear what is and isn’t healthy based on macronutrient breakdowns, nutrient density, ratio of polysaccharides to monosaccharides, and fiber type and quantity. You need to move on from this overly analytical way of thinking. For health reasons.”​

    Every time that you don't respect your intuition, it's known that Such appears out of nowhere to hit you with drum plates, forming a sandwich with them and your head as filling.

    After all this time the only aspect that I think it's worth being careful is keeping PUFA intake as low as possible. But once it's already consistently low, decreasing even more can be detrimental because it usually gets in the way of a proper diet:
    Long-lived Compilation Facts
     
  16. Amazoniac

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    In my opinion this is not a good welcome message. A good welcome message should only synthesize the principles, something that the person can quickly grasp and apply until they understand the reasons behind each of them in details. But this shouldn't include how someone will apply them. Food choices are individual and I can't think of it as not being detrimental as well.

    I know it's an useful (and tempting) guide, but:
    The attempt to steer a person can make it hard... | Ray Peat Forum

    On one hand it gives a false sense of security, but maybe there's the other hand involving these:
    "The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom."
    "Improvement makes strait roads, but the crooked roads without Improvement, are roads of Genius."
    Both by William Blake.

    And by discouraging a different experience, people might not know what it feels like to do it differently. Excess calcium, lack of fermentation, excess protein, lack of fiber, and so on; maybe are all part of the learning process.
     
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    This is also my conclusion after experimenting with Peat approach since May 2015 and being on this forum actively since May 31, 2015.
     
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    For this price I have 1 kg organic!
    I believe in plants defending their babies, grains, seeds... But you can still learn how to prepare them to be safer.
    With no legume and no leaves, then you lack folate. Taking methylfolate and methylcobalamine has done me a gread good kick of recovery!

    I think leaves are good, and even raw or juiced. So many people have good results with juicing! Some people are bad with fiber, fine... And also, you cannot compare the crap you buy with the good from a garden. By crap, I mean something that is too old to give you much more than fiber.
    Also, bitter are medicinal for liver and stomach. Like dendelions or even lettuce. Parsley is good for kidneys.

    I have fresh salads from many plants and flowers, I remove the stems and it takes time, such a salad is a luxury, and then I have a good vinaigrette with olive oil, cider vinegar, raw egg and honey!

    And I also grow chayamansa, that I use to make a thick dark green broth, and it is packed with mineral and even rich in proteins. And it is veeeeery tasty with ox tail! Possibly Ray knows this bush, as it is from Mexico.
     
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    Well said, except you forgot to mention how good french fries are with double cheeseburgers and now i really want one..:emoji_hamburger:

    I would not do well eating fast food every day, but some times its just what the doctor ordered!

    So we know people can live long life with varied diets and lifestyles. What i have been pondering for a long time is what are the possible things many of us that have had major health issues have in common as causes. I have tried to come up with what are the most common factors in our environment or diets that could be causing such wide spread health conditions of fatigue and environmental sensitivities for so many of us.

    One thing i have considered is unless you were home schooled we all have spent the better part of our life from the time we were almost five years old until we were at least eighteen or older under bright fluorescent lights. Besides having unbalanced light spectrums in the blue and ultraviolet wavelengths, the flicker of the light whether noticed or not could have a negative effect on brain functioning, and most disturbing is that all fluorescent lights leak mercury fumes.

    That means most of us have spent the better part of our days for a couple decades under biologically improper spectrums of flickering light that leak a known neurotoxin.

    Could this be a major common cause, what else do you think could be a common cause in our food, water, medicine or environment that has sparked such debilitating health issues for so many of us?
     
  20. Amazoniac

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    I don't know because I'm not burtlan, but environmental influences other than diet are usually neglected.
    Our food choices are in response to the environment. That's not to say it isn't a cycle, that an extremely unnatural diet can't initiate a negative cycle, but people would not find those foods as attractive or be willing to engage in risky lifestyle behaviors as they may be when stressed, just like the rats that didn't find cocaine appealing when they were in a good place.

    It seems that everyone is doing the best that they know in all aspects, especially when it comes to quiet down stressors. Even self-harm seems to go beyond a call for attention, probably being an attempt to divert psychological pain to something physical, it isn't a suicide attempt, there are various ways that are much more effective to do it if someone wanted to; maybe a distraction from suffering in a sense.

    So it's varied:
    Book Series: Vitamins And Hormones
    We're moving beings, a guy named Katsunari Nishihara wrote how this is one of the core aspects that differ ourselves from plants: we have to move to obtain our food. If the soil is poor, the plants are screwed, however animals can migrate. Immobilization is a big stressor, just as confinement or isolation. Poor schools, jobs, etc, are confining in way since you have to remain in your position for some time and on top of that being told what to do.

    If people cared to read "Spooning made easy" by our dear hamster in depth they should associate it with this.

    Agent207 uses a Hershey's Kisses helmet because he's a believer that EM radiation is a major stressor.

    It's multifactorial..
     
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