Not knowing what to say...

[K2000]

Hi, I'm wondering whether it's possible to help boost verbal fluency and the ability to be chatty and engaging and whether there's a possible cause that would lead someone (me) to struggle to keep conversations flowing. I do fun things and I have a small circle of friends, but I'm constantly searching for what to say and to inject fun and enthusiasm into a conversation. It's making me wonder whether it's a biological thing (lack of dopamine, perhaps). I'm fit, active, I think I eat well, take vitamin B & D regularly.

 

[Mr.Cacciatore]

The best product i have ever tried for this is Phenibut. It makes you very talkative. It's super effective for both, job, school and most importantly date. Phenibut decreases anxiety and make you slighty euphoric.

 

[K2000]

The best product i have ever tried for this is Phenibut. It makes you very talkative. It's super effective for both, job, school and most importantly date. Phenibut decreases anxiety and make you slighty euphoric.

Hi, thanks for the reply. Quite a few people have mentioned Phenibut, but it sounds like it's quite easy to become dependent on it or to overdo it. What are your experiences?

 

[PhilParma]

I have the same problem. I think verbosity is significantly mediated by estrogen. Maybe brain estrogen or estrogen receptor sensitivity or some such thing--I'm talking out of my **** here. The only thing that seems to help me is alcohol.

 

[Mr.Cacciatore]

Hi, thanks for the reply. Quite a few people have mentioned Phenibut, but it sounds like it's quite easy to become dependent on it or to overdo it. What are your experiences?

I used Phenibut for years but only 1 or 3 times per week. If you need that everyday no, it's not the best option. Probably increasing testosterone would be a better way. I use injectable testosterone for years and is one of the thing that makes me outgoing and talkative, also reducing anxiety. Now, i am not suggestig to use injectable testosterone, but raising testosterone naturally, or with the use of T3 would be the better thing to do. Then also T3/T4 and progesterone can help with this.

 

[AdoTintor]

I suppose AtomMolly is what you want - if you quickly want to experience what zero social anxiety feels like. If you recreate the the MAPS protocol at home on your own it will reset things semi-perminant; after all they find it can cure full-on PTSD for years after two such sessions.

You can use it simulateously with socialising (therapists used to use it for couples therapy) but there is a chance you end up getting addicted to that person you become while on it, so probably best avoiding and just use it theraputically, although its not a chemical addiction like nicotine. Crystal form not tablets which can be cut with stuff more easily.

 

[ecstatichamster]

I suppose AtomMolly is what you want - if you quickly want to experience what zero social anxiety feels like. If you recreate the the MAPS protocol at home on your own it will reset things semi-perminant; after all they find it can cure full-on PTSD for years after two such sessions.

You can use it simulateously with socialising (therapists used to use it for couples therapy) but there is a chance you end up getting addicted to that person you become while on it, so probably best avoiding and just use it theraputically, although its not a chemical addiction like nicotine. Crystal form not tablets which can be cut with stuff more easily.

do you have any links where I can learn more @AdoTintor thanks.

 

[cbar09]

have you tried caffeine or coffee? Probably the most useful substance I've noticed for that issue. A 200mg caffeine pill or strong coffee with sugar/milk helps me out of brain/tongue fog pretty easily.

 

[equipoise]

I think there's a definite correlation between gut serotonin and wit. Endotoxins make you foggy. Clean your guts, I always feel much more present and in the moment after bathroom

 

[korpesh]

do you have any links where I can learn more @AdoTintor thanks.

He might be referring to this? MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy - MAPS

 

[AdoTintor]

yes - I mention MAPS because it provides scientific basis for use (albeit for an extreme form of anxiety), and listening to their podcasts and to others like Sam Harris talking of his life changing experience with it may help.

 

[Vinero]

I like people who are quiet and don't know what to say. I see them as more human and I relate more to them. People who keep talking all the time can be annoying sometimes.

 

[ecstatichamster]

He might be referring to this? MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy - MAPS

thank you.

 

[Stilgar]

I like people who are quiet and don't know what to say. I see them as more human and I relate more to them. People who keep talking all the time can be annoying sometimes.

As a pretty quiet person, I agree. Whilst I agree it can be dysfunctional and from low energy or serotonin - I have felt a bit trapped in my quietness sometimes - I also think our society talks a bit too much about inane things. I know quite a few estrogen dominant people who talk too much and can’t handle silences, and it’s incredibly irritating.

When I’m chronically quiet or anxiously quiet, I usually need to work on my energy levels. Coffee helps a lot so long as I fuel it well.

However, I think it’s 90% upbringing, where socialising as a child and your role in the family dynamic, and your family dynamic generally defines your degree of introversion/extroversion.

 

[AJA]

Actually, much of this is a discussion of personality. Primarily formed in early years.

Best to know oneself well and avoid trap of trying to become someone we are not.

What is most important is being comfortable with who we are. Being genuine does not come in a pill.

People can increase their likeability and charisma by not taking themselves too seriously.

I would suggest practicing conversations with people you know well and branching out more as you feel ready.

 

[K2000]

I used Phenibut for years but only 1 or 3 times per week. If you need that everyday no, it's not the best option. Probably increasing testosterone would be a better way. I use injectable testosterone for years and is one of the thing that makes me outgoing and talkative, also reducing anxiety. Now, i am not suggestig to use injectable testosterone, but raising testosterone naturally, or with the use of T3 would be the better thing to do. Then also T3/T4 and progesterone can help with this.

Thanks! I did try injectable T for a while, but honestly, I can't say it made much difference, maybe I hadn't got my protocol completely dialled. I did put a load of weight on, which wasn't ideal!

I've been using Cortinon, Pansterone, Tyronene and Tyromax recently, should that help?

 

[K2000]

have you tried caffeine or coffee? Probably the most useful substance I've noticed for that issue. A 200mg caffeine pill or strong coffee with sugar/milk helps me out of brain/tongue fog pretty easily.

Thanks, do you not find you become jittery?

 

[K2000]

As a pretty quiet person, I agree. Whilst I agree it can be dysfunctional and from low energy or serotonin - I have felt a bit trapped in my quietness sometimes - I also think our society talks a bit too much about inane things. I know quite a few estrogen dominant people who talk too much and can’t handle silences, and it’s incredibly irritating.

When I’m chronically quiet or anxiously quiet, I usually need to work on my energy levels. Coffee helps a lot so long as I fuel it well.

However, I think it’s 90% upbringing, where socialising as a child and your role in the family dynamic, and your family dynamic generally defines your degree of introversion/extroversion.

I noticed that even as a kid, I was a bit on the quiet side and struggled to form solid friendships, whereas my brother is much more outgoing and social. I feel that it's also the ability to joke and laugh that I'm missing, despite me not being a serious person inside my head.

 

[Peatness]

I noticed that even as a kid, I was a bit on the quiet side and struggled to form solid friendships, whereas my brother is much more outgoing and social. I feel that it's also the ability to joke and laugh that I'm missing, despite me not being a serious person inside my head.

I think being quiet and being able to listen is an admirable skill. If you want to expand that skill, perhaps explore the subjects that really fascinate you. Study them and share your enthusiasm for them. First to people you trust, such as family members. Being curious about the world around you, including people and asking questions is a good way to start. Don’t be afraid to make mistakes or say the wrong thing. We all make mistakes and sometime people appreciate that you have made an effort.

 

[AJA]

In fact, I would take it a step further. Find those you trust and let them know you are working on your communication skills. Ask for feedback from them as you work on building your skills. It is important to be around others who are good communicators and watch how they go about it. Modeling. Also, consider taking a communications type class at your local college. It can be non-credit. While I do not teach those classes anymore, I did see improvement among some of the students. This even carried in to job interviews and other social encounters.
Be well!